Lets talk about "A" New World Order --- AKA --- Yur gonna hate me

originally posted by: datguy

But then we wouldn't get the same passion and fervor that NWO invokes.
I want peoples heart to race and face to get flush, I WANT to provoke real emotion, not just some "other" acronym

Why ?

Why do you feel like you need to shake folks up ?

Seems to me like it's a good way to get folks in a negative mindset, rather than a problem-solving mindset.

Am wary of so-called provocateurs .

a reply to: Dfairlite

I wouldn't have used the term tribal, obstinate perhaps, but not tribal.

I'm confused, maybe I failed to understand your comments, as I read them you seem to support a New World Order, in addition to your disdain for the US Constitution, perhaps this is out of a confusion for the situation we find ourselves in?

When you say you want a "national divorce" is this because you are intolerant of the ideas represented by the younger generations. Keep in mind they are as disillusioned to the reality of our world as anyone ever was, both by design and because of the apathy of past generations. Take the time to speak them and you will find this to be true. This concept is reinforced by your own words.
"But they're going to have to live it to understand it."
This is evidence of a failure on many fronts that have allowed the situation to come to this boiling point

It isn't the younger generations that need to be cut out, they need to be educated, not ridiculed and demonized.
They are using their rights, the examples you give about how younger generations "don't believe in checks and balances. Only in total domination politically" are easily shown to be guided bias on your part.

From my perspective, it isn't about teaching them they are wrong, isn't that the same conditioning/programming that led us here in the first place?
Its about listening to what they believe is wrong, because their perspective is as much a reality as yours or mine. When you are able to get past your bias and hear what is the root cause for theirs, you will see the middle ground. Until then, you keep pooping on the basic principles of what is enshrined in the Constitution,

This is not the fault of the younger generations but of corrupt politics, by the politicians that most of the "older" generations put in power...pretty much, "they learned it from watching you"

a reply to: Nothin

Because this isn't just some joke to me, It isn't just some post I made to try and get stars and flags. I take it very seriously, this is war. I know the people that I am reaching out to are very real, with issues and idea of their own.

You should be wary, I would be concerned if you weren't

Why does it have to be negative? is that based on a perceived concept or personal bias?
What is it about the reality of peoples perspective that creates negativity in regards to a desire for a unified humanity?

originally posted by: datguy
The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory that hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.
BUT what happens when its no longer secret? When the facts are staring you down, What do you do? What can you do?

I'm not going to preach to you here about the history and past of the concept. It should by now be overt and obvious to anyone reading this, that this "New World Order" is here and its here to stay, like it or not.
And its your fault, yes Im talking to YOU.

Go ahead get offended and defensive and write to me your diatribe about how you spent so much time online chatting about it, warning people, spreading the word, "waking up", taking the blinders off....(where is my sheep emoji)
But I digress

These political scientists wrote in the first decade of the 21st century about their concern that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues.

Sound Familiar? Prophetic? Or just part of the plan? i mean its the internet "They" control everything....right?

For more than 2 decades I have spent some of my spare time here with you so I guess you can blame me also but I made real world efforts to stem the tide. But alas it was all too late. The power structure was already well in place and the flames of rebellion had already been extinguished.
For decades, since before I was born there have been true patriots of freedom who gave everything they had to fight the powers that be, each in their own way. And for decades WE have watched them fade into the anals of history.
Some chose/choose music, theater, writing, politics, revolution, martyrdom, terrorist, but they all stood against the machine we call the New World Order

Have the doors of fate swung open to greet the Anti-Christ?
When does the "veil lift" to reveal our new overlords?

In 2012 I was eligible to run for the Office of The President of The United Sates, I put everything I had into it and got nowhere but in debt. I tried again in 2016 and in 2020. I can not run again this cycle but I assure I will not give up. The US system has been overwhelmed by corporate greed, it is broken and only one thing will fix it...

In the time since my first attempt I have watched as the US political structure has grown stronger and the political division has grown deeper.
Now, here, today, "we the people" are in peril.
Political bias has ripped this country in half, but more specific to this thread, it has created division amongst us ATS'ers
The same people who talk about fighting "TPTB" are too busy fighting each other.
We are supposed to a bastion for the Free instead we weaken our own walls with hate
We are supposed to a beacon for those who want to take "the red pill", but we keep clinging to the very things that seeks to destroy us

So when I say "its your fault" I ABSOLUTELY mean it, from the bottom of my heart
But again I digress...
My intent is not to single you out or direct my anger at you, its quite the opposite, but you need to know my stance before I ask you

What is YOUR New World Order?
or do you want absolutely NO change at all?

Do you sit and wait for the change to come to you? that tells me you don't care enough to stand up against it, or you, like me, know its already here and cant fight it.

I see so many things I want to change, to make a better country, and a better world, but many of my ideas, are the same that are held within this concept of a "new world order"
I want to erase our borders, remove divisive politics from the equation and unite all humanity. Isn't that the goal, the "end game"?
Why are we fighting each other? Wouldn't the world be better off with a One World Government?
Wouldn't that resolve issues like Palestine, Ukraine, North Korea?
I certainly would give up these illusions of freedom people take for granted, if it meant humanity could clean the planet of toxins like plastic and arsenic, colonize the moon/space, cure diseases, never have a hungry or homeless human.

So yes I'm all for a new world order, its the best thing that happen to this planet right now and don't see any down side
If its the Anti-Christ that rules, that means Christ will return, even Muslim's are waiting for that
If its the Rich who are in control and can feed and house the people, I know I cant afford it.

Its progress for humanity, don't stand in the way

No; the world would not be better with one world government. This removes other options when it comes to what you *think* is right. One world government, means no choice.

This can be better understood with an analogy. Two competing business or one exclusive business. When there are two competing businesses; you get more fairness from both, because they are afraid of losing their customers. When you have one business with an exclusive contract; they do whatever they want, because you don't have a choice.

If you want to assure that life is miserable, you support a 1 world government, because then there is nobody to check them or offer an alternative.

The strongest nations of all time embraced freedom; and they became strong from offering what non-free places wouldn't offer. All places devoid of freedom put your best interest at the end of line. If there was no choices; there would be no freedom.

a reply to: datguy

There is no negativity in the concept of unity.

It's in the Tactics™ : which are right-out of the SOP™ manuals of Marketing™, Sales™, and Advertising™.

A good idea does not need to be " Sold™ ".

Again : one is best not to go-to War™ against those whom are the exclusive purveyors of War™ and Violence™ .

How many alternatives have you investigated ?

Have you looked into what others are tying, around the world ?

a reply to: Nothin

I see examples of failure on almost all fronts.

Haiti, Vietnam, South America, Indonesia, Chile. These are places that were separating themselves from the World Bank and the IMF but were later met with brutal Regimes funded by the World Bank and the IMF, and that doesnt include the latest round of the 7 last nations that are/were holdouts

Look at Bolivia's water crisis
El Salvador's financial situation
North Korea and Syria are the last hold outs against the World Bank
look at the failure and deception of MOST, not all, "decentralized" currency

Granted these are larger national and global examples, The smaller grassroots examples are harder to track and research as they were/are designed to be "off grid" so to speak. I don't want to hide.

We could focus on opposition to the WEF but that mostly brings us to the climate debate, and while "Net Zero" and A̶g̶e̶n̶d̶a̶ 2̶1̶ Agenda 2030, "15 minute cities" should be cause for concern the public focus is still on ways to avoid something that is unavoidable (in regards to an constantly changing climate).

a reply to: datguy

Not sure, but it seems like NorKo, Cuba, and Iran are the only non Red-Shield™ Bank™ nations.
That's why our valiant Leaders™ refer to them collectively, as The-Axis-of-Evil™ ... LoL !

Sorry : but it's a bit telling that the Official™ NWO™ is being touted in this thread, and we now see that the many alternatives, that are not hidden, have never even been investigated.

Am not too quick sometimes, but that's my cue to exit, stage-left.

a reply to: Nothin

aww shucks, just when we were getting to the good part, where you drop irrelevant youtube videos and make claims of "un hidden" alternatives without even discussing them

To note: i have seen many of jared boosters videos, they refer to old cities that were here before modern settlers arrived and are tied to tartaria and mud floods.
The bad lands, san francisco, st. loius, the great boston fire

what does that have to do with alternatives to the NWO? oh yeah you left so you dont have to answer those questions


Edit to add: im pretty sure you havent read the entire OP, not mention the rest of the thread but ok snagglepuss, off you go...

This idea of having to "work hard, toil" in order to "get ahead" is part of the systemic, slavery programming. Does anyone know what a lifetime of hard work, toil and stress gets you? Chronic, debilitating disease, accelerated ageing and death. There is no "getting ahead". Unless you are tallying the collection of material goods gained through consumerism. If that's your idea of "getting ahead", it doesn't amount to much. How does material wealth weigh against the evolution of your consciousness, the free expression of your soul?

They've got the whole lot of humanity whoring themselves for money. This is why humans are compromised---corrupted from the inside out. And you don't even recognize it.

a reply to: socialmediaclown

This idea of having to "work hard, toil" in order to "get ahead" is part of the systemic, slavery programming. Does anyone know what a lifetime of hard work, toil and stress gets you?

In this day of age, not even a gold watch if you manage to make it to retirement for the common everyday average man.

a reply to: andy06shake

companies neither give, receive or want loyalty, not of staff or customers.. its a sad place to inhabit.. our throw away world has moved back to throw away humans.. Ai willl only speed yup the process..

saw a interesting thought posed.. until 150 years ago our biggest buildings where places of worship while our biggest buildings now are commercial which I take as our new places of worship.. none of it is human scaled.

a reply to: nickyw

AI is simply a tool nickyw, we are quite capable of screwing it all up with or without artificial intelligence.

As to the manner in which we choose to treat people, it's deplorable, but the fact is people have generally always been replaceable as unfortunate as the case may be.

There are obvious exceptions, but as a general rule of thumb, there is always someone else that can do your job, and if that was not the case fact is we may well be in a hell of a mess given our limited longevity and fact that we are rather fragile.

I tend to agree that the financial and commercial buildings and institutions of today have indeed somewhat replaced our churches and cathedrals as modern-day places of worship.

There are plus and negative sides there i suppose, but such is the price of progress or so I'm led to believe.

Put it this way mate i would not trust organized religious practice any more than i would capitalism if that makes much sense.

a reply to: andy06shake

Put it this way mate i would not trust organized religious practice any more than i would capitalism if that makes much sense.

my sense is if we where to replace capitalism with communism or Christianity with Islam we'd still be the same countries/same peoples bending the rules in the same way..

i honestly feel sorry for both organised religion and organised ideology when it meets us barbarians as we'll always f*ck it up and bend it to our whims..

the christians have been trying to stop us drinking booze since bishop idiot in the 7th century, the prohibition attempts of victorians and edwardians ended up creating the barbarism skeleton army.. same idiotic bishop also hated the village vs village fights we had to invents sports to keep the practice going as we can be a violent lot.

a reply to: nickyw

There has to be a sorts of happy medium somewhere in-between by my guess.

Not that i suspect we are apt to find it anytime soon given our antics and the fact that the distribution of power and wealth amongst our people and populations is not exactly what any sane person could call fair by any manner or means.

Got a shift to do now, so need to love you all and leave you for a spell.

Have fun.

a reply to: SRPrime
Sorry for the slow response, I got distracted

I will agree that the common perception of a one world government is currently that it would limit individuality and choice, but it is not by design a totalitarian construct. Perhaps if that government forced itself upon the popluation like we see with the WEF

But a construct similar to the what the U.S. government was intended to be, with built in checks and balances, would still allow for choice. You could still be Muslim or Buddhist or Athiest, you would still be able travel freely and explore the world and its varying cultures.

I will admit that eventually some of things we think are rights in America will vanish, this is the natural progression of the evolution of the species and technology. Your "choice" of coke or pepsi, toyota or dodge, gas or electric, would eventually fade to one singular product that is functional and technologically sound. Do we really need 60 different types of cars. How about we just, make them work and last instead so we don't end up with giant fields of rubber fires and compacted wasted resources.

Why do we need 23 "major" fast food chains, and an estimated 50k across the US, that all sell the same #ty product that harms our health and creates more waste than any other industry, an estimated 40% of food supply is wasted so you can have your "choice"

Granted this is just one small example of the "illusion" of choice, but when its merely 10 or so companies that own all these chains what choice are you really making?

a reply to: andy06shake

The monetary system is a rigged game. It always has been and always will be. What we need right now are visionaries. People who are willing to push the boundaries of their imagination until they make the leap beyond this hypercube and discover what awaits us on the other side.

originally posted by: datguy
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Unite with them, Unite with me, unite with everyone

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Of course, unity of belief cannot be achieved by coercion. It is achieved only when individuals carefully investigate matters and arrive at and accept the same conclusions. Can you have true unity without unity of belief regarding some major topics, such as:

- nationalism and patriotism
- war and military service
- religion?

A little from the last link (it follows the page Should You Belong to a Church?):

‘DIFFERENT religions are simply different roads leading to the same goal. After all, there is only one God, is there not?’ That sentiment is shared by many who feel that although religious affiliation is important, it does not really matter which religion one chooses to follow.

At first glance, this argument may seem plausible, since it is true that there is only one God, the Almighty. (Isaiah 44:6; John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6) However, we cannot overlook the obvious differences​—even contradictions—​among the many religious groups who claim to serve the true God. They differ greatly in their practices, their beliefs, their teachings, and their requirements. The differences are so great that those belonging to one religion or group find it difficult to understand or accept what the others teach or believe.

On the other hand, Jesus said: “God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24) Does worshiping God with truth allow for a range of contradictory ideas about who God is, what his purposes are, and how he wants to be worshiped? Is it logical to believe that it is immaterial to Almighty God how we worship him?

Source: Which Religion Should You Choose?

“I exhort you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that you should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among you, but that you may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.”​—1 Corinthians 1:10.

True/real unity.

a reply to: socialmediaclown

The game has always been rigged socialmediaclown throughout recorded history.

Unless you are born to money people who choose to play by the rules and toe the line will always finish last.

a reply to: whereislogic

as I read through your links I am struck by both the irony and hypocricy in the articles.
These Machiavellian constructs combined with religious zealotry is what has given rise to our current predicaments.
And it goes back much further than any "great war" anecdote.

While some can and would be right to argue that we are today fighting the very same conflict, it can in fact be traced back more than a thousand years earlier, to the campaign of the crusades.

was this in fact the time of the great war of Gog and Magog? has Jesus already ruled for his prophesized 1000 years?
was the third temple built during this time?
Templum Domini

The Templum Domini[2][3] (Vulgate translation of Hebrew: 'הֵיכָל ה "Temple of the Lord"

After the capture of Jerusalem in the First Crusade (1099), the Dome of the Rock was given into the care of Augustinian Canons Regular, who renovated it and consecrated it as a Catholic church.

some could also argue that the conflicts fought over religion are "part of the plan" but no where in the bible or the new testament, does it state that religion will be uniting factor on earth. Only the religion of the Devil rules on earth until the time of the 1000 years reign of Christ, the first resurrection.
And then 1000 years later when Christ frees his brother again, just before the second
"the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished" (Revelation 20:5)

Unity of faith is not achieved until the two resurrections and only to be had in "heaven"

a reply to: datguy

A new world order, yes. The new world order the globalists want, no.

I have no disdain for the constitution. It simply isn't a good enough document anymore as the founders knew it wouldn't be of we lost our morality. And lost our morality we have.

I am not saying we need to cut the younger generations out in a national divorce, not at all. I'm saying the political left in this country needs to be cut out and separated from the political center and political right. They are the cancer. Let them live in their filth with nowhere to move to corrupt. They're like locusts. They devour the beauty of an area and leave to the next not understanding why the place they're now fleeing isn't suitable anymore. They are incapable of self reflection or introspection and that's why this behavior continues. I don't wish any harm to them, other than that which they may perpetrate on themselves when they have to lie in the bed they make.

The younger generations need to be taught, I agree. But again with the political left having corrupted the institutions of learning that is not a possible task as long as we remain wed to their evil.

Red states need to leave the 'union' and go back to what made this country work. God. The constitution minus a few amendments. Limited government. Family. Morality.

Is that more clear?

ETA: oh, and yes, I am absolutely 100% intolerant of the ideas perpetuated by the political left in this country. From their morals to their politics. They are disgusting and worthy of nothing but shame for what they've done.