Harvard Astronomer Obtains Evidence of Interstellar Objects in Earth's Oceans

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

What do you really think?

Welp…..it may well turn out to be the game changer some have been hoping for…..if an analysis “PROVES” beyond the shadow of doubt that the isotopes and manufacturing, are indeed not of this world.

It’s a wait and see……for now.

Avi, was transparent enough to show pictures……and he had minimal test equipment on the ship, but enough to get him excited. The more sophisticated equipment is back at the university labs.

I’m kinda hoping he can be proven rightly.

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Interesting findings, but much like soft tissue found in dinosaur bones (perhaps proving they are not as old as scientists say), if valid this too will be swept under the rug and pseudo challenged by the (controlled) scientific community.

From an article dated September 21 2022…..about Avi and the meteor…

CNEOS-2014-01-08 is of particular interest to Loeb because he believes the object could be artificial in origin or hold equipment from alien civilizations.

It is then stated about Avi in 2023….

Written by Harvard's firebrand UFOlogist Avi Loeb and Sean Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon’s new All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was created by President Joe Biden last year and tasked with studying unidentified aerial phenomena (UAPs), the paper explores the possibility that there may be a sizeable alien "mothership" — yes, they used that word — somewhere out there that sends tiny probes they call "dandelion seeds" out to learn about various planets. Including, they speculate, Earth.

Could it be that the meteor CNEOS-2014-01-08 was a probe sent out by Oumuamua, ahead of itself… to Earth?

If so…..perhaps it was a one time use disposable probe to transmit data of Earth, before burning up, ….back to Oumuamua as Oumuamua was going to reach near earth to do its flyby.

Then with the data it had received from CNEOS-2014-01-08….and while doing it’s flyby….Oumuamua went on to send, this time, non disposable probes, what Avi is calling Dandelions Seeds….(or for that matter UAP’s)…..which have not yet been found or captured ….but flying in our atmosphere, submerging in our oceans and or landing on Earth terrestrially.

It would be wild if Omuamua (Mothership?) heads back towards earth….

Hmmm

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originally posted by: mirageman
Seems like an extremely high cost endeavour with a low chance of success.

Remember when they went after finding the wreck of the Titanic, though?

That was really a cover for a top secret Navy plan to find the wrecks of the USS Thresher and USS Scorpion during the Cold War.

So maybe this isn't about looking for alien artifacts at all?

Try listening to some of his interviews. The YT channel Event Horizon is a good source (in no way affiliated with it). He's very much for the open research of the matter, which is why he as created the Galileo Project. In one of the videos on the aforementioned channel, he gives a tour of the ship and its equipment. Doesn't look like anything to take over for the Glomar Challenger.

a reply to: TXRabbit

I believe he was a speaker at Contact in the Desert this year. I didn't go this year, but thought I saw him on the program.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
I've seen' this guy's name mentioned a lot lately on UFO-centric documentaries and news blurbs. A new charlatan perhaps?

I wouldn't call him a charlatan, but he does push mighty hard on the notion that Oumuamua is/was an extraterrestrial ship or space buoy and pumps out articles disputing any study to the contrary. He's either monomaniacally wrong or right on the subject. That said, his reasoning seems to be sound, but I also know something about the art of handwaving in science.

originally posted by: esteay812
a reply to: MrInquisitive

Thanks. I dont know much at all about this type of stuff, but it seems pretty important. . . or it least like a very bold claim. One thing I know I can trust is ATS. Someone here generally always knows more than an average person or know how to find the information to shed a little more light on the topic.

Yeah, at this point it seems more like a bold claim, but the isotopic testing of these materials will be the acid test, so to speak. And even then, if the isotopic evidence points to outside of the solar system, a bigger chunk of the material would be needed to positively identify something and fabricated. It would be good for some skeptic team to put their money where their mouths are, and conduct a similar study in another region of the ocean, to see if they get similar results in terms of the metal spherules and other misc. small pieces of metal.

Now it does appear astronomically/physically that the meteor that broke up in the region was very anomalous both in its composition and in its trajectory, so it is very likely from outside of the solar system, but whether any of the material found on the sea bottom is another matter until the isotopic analysis is done on the specimens.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

...He's very much for the open research of the matter, which is why he as created the Galileo Project. In one of the videos on the aforementioned channel, he gives a tour of the ship and its equipment. Doesn't look like anything to take over for the Glomar Challenger...

The Glomar Challenger[Project Azorian] was an earlier and different project. In the search for the Titanic, they actually found the two US Subs [which were carrying sensitive ordnance] and then went on to discover the Titanic wreck. A win all round. Loeb does appear passionate about this and if Loeb finds something that's genuinely extra-terrestrial, that would be an amazing discovery.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: MrInquisitive

...He's very much for the open research of the matter, which is why he as created the Galileo Project. In one of the videos on the aforementioned channel, he gives a tour of the ship and its equipment. Doesn't look like anything to take over for the Glomar Challenger...

The Glomar Challenger[Project Azorian] was an earlier and different project. In the search for the Titanic, they actually found the two US Subs [which were carrying sensitive ordnance] and then went on to discover the Titanic wreck. A win all round. Loeb does appear passionate about this and if Loeb finds something that's genuinely extra-terrestrial, that would be an amazing discovery.

Just to be clear, the Glomar Challenger project was a clandestine CIA operation to haul up portions of a sunk Soviet submarine, to get code books and possibly other technical information regarding the sub. I brought it up as you referenced USS Thresher and Scorpion.

originally posted by: esteay812
Briana Joy Gray

That's definitely a name an Alien made up.

If I understood Avi…..

These Spherule’s below are the result of the molten process from burning entering our atmosphere.

So then how good are these examples?…..if previously…purported fragments of debris of purported crashed craft…..where said to be in strata, layers, sandwiched together.

In the process of becoming molten and liquifying …..wouldn’t those layers now be mixed and fused together….loosing its strata form?

And so you have a harden liquid drop of material…imo…making it difficult to prove, it’s not of this world.



What say anybody….

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I have seen several UFO/UAP over the years and my first sighting was absolutely not of this Earth. It was a thick, but flat (non tier) disc with a dome in the center flying into my viewer through my telescope while viewing the Moon in near full Moon perigee (closest to Earth) July 19th Saturday 1986. That following Monday would of been full Moon. Around in quadrant 2 area of the Moon, in comes a disc in my viewer right to left and then disappeared into the darkness passed the terminator line. I could still see the wake of it as it cut through the gas atmosphere of the Moon. I waited for a long time and it never came around. I viewed it through a reflector 8 inch at about 300x power. Prior to this, was the Nasa shuttle incident in Jan 1986 happen and everything was grounded. It was silver in color. Silver has a yellow tint hue to it in the Sun. Even then I knew there was something really abnormal going on as a young teenager. As an adult now some 35 years later I haven't changed my mind one bit and stand by my stories.

I learned that certain metals are really good in conducting heat and electricity. Copper widely being used in wiring because the atom having one electron in the 4th shell. Silver having one atom in the 5th shell. Silver being better, but costly to be used as a wiring conductor. Aluminum and copper combination is very good for radiators, heat exchange, air conditioners etc.

Copper pulls heat in and retains and radiates that heat. It cools slower. However, Aluminum draws heat into it slower, cools down much faster. So this is why you see a heat-sink or a rad with copper tubing and a aluminum fins. Aluminum also has a superconductor property. Doping things with silver is capable of amazing things. I don't think it was a coincidence that the UFO I saw had a silver layer hull. An aluminum hull doped with a layer of silver, or vice versa. Aluminum with super conducting cooling properties doped with a silver layer with one electron on the 5th shell that can be easily bumped off the atom. I can only imagine what the possibilities can be. Maybe my mind is just wandering, but I think there might be some significance to it not yet discovered.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Is there any guarantee they are from the meteorite in question ?

And how solid is the evidence that particular meteor was from Oumuamua ?

Meteorites hit the earth regularly, much is also known about asteroids, the idea of a mothership and probes isn't new. Putting them together in this instance just seems like a weird long shot.

If the purpose of the trip was to just examine fragments of a meteorite from outside of the solar system then fine, maybe the cost could be justified (who is paying for it ?) but with the headline seeming to be expecting evidence that the meteorite was a manufactured ET probe the guy comes across as a crackpot.

Admittedly the odd crackpot has subsequently proven to be a genius but the odds aren't great.

a reply to: chunder

My hypothetical scenario is purely speculative….ideas…that SYFI movies are made from…perhaps.

No…..there’s no guarantee they are from the meteorite in question. The earth over its life has been pelted by meteorites whether on land or into the seas. There’s a remote chance that he’s found spherules of old that have been on the ocean floor a long time. Spherule’s in general are nothing new…. Google it.

It may be true that the meteor in question deposited spherule’s in that particular area…..but it could also be that the deposit was laid over pre-existing meteor spherule’s deposited on the sea bed in that same area eons ago. Only testing will tell I suppose.

There is no proof that the meteorite (or probe) broke off, or ejected intelligently from Omuamua….purely my speculation. But if you were a mothership entering a solar system with planets…..would you not send out probes ahead of you to scout out and probe the planets within the system? I would….

It’s always better to send probes ahead of you to get telemetry data of the subject in focus, before you pass the subject….instead of sending probes after you’ve passed the subject….imo.

It is a long shot of what I proposed in my previous post. I suppose, an effort would have to be made to try and correlate all the data from when both the meteorite CNEOS-2014-01-08 and Omuamua came into view……did they both come from the same directions? Is there a point where they could have been joined together before they split apart?

Time will tell …. If astronomers want to investigate the hypothetical as I propose….for all I know my idea is not knew and perhaps already being researched.

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a reply to: esteay812

a lot of people in the Navy have seen them as well!

a reply to: sean

Do you think UFO's have an advantage during a full moon in terms of gravitational pull to earth?

a reply to: CaliGirl69

No clue. They could have science and tech way beyond our understanding. That craft was definitely near surface or low orbit. It was shadowed by the Moons shadow side and the Sun wasn't shinning on it anymore. So it was very close orbit. I could still see it disturbing the shimmering view of the Moon's atmospheric gasses. It left a wake cutting through the gas. I waited a long time for it to come back around and it never did. I imagine it landed. I tracked the Moon manually looking through the telescope the entire time over an hour and let me tell you it isn't easy. My arm sockets was fatigued and sore as hell.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

What do you really think?

Welp…..it may well turn out to be the game changer some have been hoping for…..if an analysis “PROVES” beyond the shadow of doubt that the isotopes and manufacturing, are indeed not of this world.

It’s a wait and see……for now.

Avi, was transparent enough to show pictures……and he had minimal test equipment on the ship, but enough to get him excited. The more sophisticated equipment is back at the university labs.

I’m kinda hoping he can be proven rightly.

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My skeptic spiddy senses are tingling. Something about this does NOT seem right.

originally posted by: TXRabbit
I've seen' this guy's name mentioned a lot lately on UFO-centric documentaries and news blurbs. A new charlatan perhaps?

Not at all.

His name is mentioned alot because of the interstellar object that was observed moving through our solar system.

He wrote a report on it and claimed his hypothesis for its odd behavior was that it was likely soace junk, like a solar sail, left adrift by some other civilization out in the stars.

He reached this hypothesis because multiple observers documented that the object had no vapor trail, didnt have the shape of any asteroid or conet, it wasnt spherical at all, it was long and very thin, it was reflective, and it did not follow the trajectory of an object that was completely inanimate. I believe it accelerated and chabged vectors that didnt fall in line with the math.

Thats how he reached the result that it may be some type of "solar sail".. and they traced its point if origin fron another star system.

a reply to: Lucidparadox

Avi Loeb is head of the Galileo Project, something he started and which wikipedia states -

The project uses an agnostic (or "secular"[7] or "unbiased, empirical inquiry")[17][18] approach by which no potential explanations – including those that are considered to be unlikely by some experts – are rejected a priori but data is gathered and scientifically investigated to, based on the results, develop any conclusions.

Thing is read anything he has stated in the last 2 years (or even in the fishing trip diary I linked earlier) and it is far from unbiased, which causes me to question motive and funding.