Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Originally posted by elgaz
That's not to say the rest of us DO believe him. I have questions and doubts much like anyone else. But I also know that, despite all the logic, laws of physics, common sense and reasoning that people bring forth to dispute him, there is something uncannily 'familiar', for want of a better word, about everything he says.

Gaz

That is so incredibly profound. Again I'm humbled by a superior intellect, nuts - why didn't I say that, I sure felt it. Nice Gaz.

Sleeper you told about how they fly their ships, well one time i did fly one in one of my dreams (at least this is how i remember like a dream) so i would describe with has much details that i can remember of that event.

I remember just a few details because my memory was cloudy in the start, i was like seeing but not thinking at that time, i was like what i am doing here..what's going on??? then I realize was what going on, i saw a Screen infront of me and I could see what was outside of the craft, the screen showed what was infront (remember seeing some trees, some blue sky and clouds and the horizon) after it i was infront of me a metallic panel with some strange symbols and 2 Hand shapes in the panel (like the hand shapes they put on hollywood boulevar of the stars) on the panel, so I did put my 2 hands on that panel and on a instant your mind connects to the craft, how is it done? i dont know you just know that you in controll of the craft, it becomes and extention let say in a example of your body actually!.

So you are watching the screen while your hands are on the 2 hand shapes in the panel (looks like a plasma tv but much much more thinner and more vivid colors) then you think go right and instantly the craft starts to move to the right, so you think move to the right slowly...like feeling it and it does what your mind comands, then i did move the craft forward slowly (i was thinking like i was moving it very slowly so i can controll the movement and not freak out) and the craft started moving forward very slowly but in this craft it's funny i may say because it boucnes very slowly like floating so i had to be carefull with that like small bounces very gently, , it' like if you think of a trayectory you want to do at any rate speed the craft would download this info from your mind and execute almost at the same time, so at the same time you are watching the screen you can see what objects are infront of the craft and manouver them just by thinking (the eyes gives your the perspective so you can move forward, backwardsm lesft right or up, almost like whatever you want to think it can be done) i guess that's why in all videos of ufo's you can see some craft do some creazy manouvers that any airplane cant do.

That's what i dream (or i remember like a dream) and that's what i remember how the craft are fly, of course maybe you sleeper can give me more info if i am right or i am wrong on this and you can develop more if you like.

Hope this helps

Originally posted by TrubadoursGrayAria
Question: Everything you've related is from a human perspective (how could it be anything else?), however, is there anything you eavesdropped on from ET, or picked up on, that you don't have human words to explain (anything you're really still scratching you're derriere over?).

Hi GrayAria,

If you put it that way I have scratched my derriere raw

99.9 percent of the ET phenomenon has no human words to describe it.

It’s mind boggling how far removed we are from them

But then again everything is perspective, if you were able to go back and meet Ben Franklin and you handed him a credit card----how could you explain plastic to him? Or even the concept of living in a time where plastic cards are used as money----that you can use over and over again without giving up that mysterious card in exchange for the goods

There is no amount of words that would explain a simple piece of plastic to people a few centuries back much less the rest of the things that make up our lives today

But I can tell you want the good stuff, the drink reserved for VIPs. Well I don’t talk about it much because it’s too crazy and ammo for the skeptics but here is a smidge--- where you can go into a room inside the ship and actually meet Ben Franklin----not time travel, not hologram, but the man himself as he is now, he looks exactly the same except he was wearing a light brown robe---we talked about the weather

Those are the kinds of things that have me scratching my derriere to no end

Originally posted by AlexDJ

That's what i dream (or i remember like a dream) and that's what i remember how the craft are fly, of course maybe you sleeper can give me more info if i am right or i am wrong on this and you can develop more if you like.

Hi AlexDJ


There is more than one way to fly alien ships, depends on the ship and the person, what you describe may be a real experience and not a dream. But the true experience would be different from the dream----the dream or if it really happened to you----the memory, are sometimes altered to fit the concepts we are familiar with on earth.

I was able to maneuver the ship I was in while looking out one of the portholes and thinking where I wanted to go.

When the ship began to move it was like I was flying and not the ship, the ship became part of me----like what we call foo-fighters or spheres of pure energy

These are the kinds of things that invite skeptic hate mail, so I try to avoid going too far out there with my experiences. But when someone as yourself has a similar experience I bend and tell mine.

Thanks for sharing

BTW mine are not dreams or induced by natural or synthetic substances----and I only drink decaffeinated drinks except for the occasional Dr. Pepper

Re: your last two posts, sleeper: Too cool!!

Originally posted by sleeper
When the ship began to move it was like I was flying and not the ship, the ship became part of me----like what we call foo-fighters or spheres of pure energy

AlexDJ's post and your statement above reminded me of a dream I had of flying through space with a small device held in front of me, somewhat like divers would use to pull them through the water. There was nothing around me, no space suit, no breathing apparatus, no discernable craft other than that device. I was following a ship that looked like the space shuttle, except that it was flexible. It seemed to be swimming through space like a whale.

I then found myself in a room on another planet. Another person was with me. We let our devices float up to the ceiling and started to look around. We were somewhat apprehensive, as we did not know what to expect on this planet. Some beings that looked like children came up to us, grabbed our communicators, and ran off laughing. I chased one of them out a door, down some stairs and to another door that the child had gone through and slammed shut. I was banging on the door telling the child to give back the communicator. Suddenly, a deep voice boomed, "Don't you know those have military application?"

Wierd dream, huh? Maybe too much Star Trek as a kid!

But then again everything is perspective, if you were able to go back and meet Ben Franklin and you handed him a credit card----how could you explain plastic to him? Or even the concept of living in a time where plastic cards are used as money----that you can use over and over again without giving up that mysterious card in exchange for the goods

There is no amount of words that would explain a simple piece of plastic to people a few centuries back much less the rest of the things that make up our lives today

I think you underestimate Ben Franklin.

First, the idea of letters of credit and such for trade were well established.

The card is not what's important, it's that you have signed up with contractual relationship
with a bank (Ben Franklin knew about banks) which says that the bank will pay
the seller, and the buyer will pay the bank, and that everybody better be honest
or they'll get sued.

Such ideas are perfectly understanble to Franklin.

Now, if you go to a hunter-gatherer society which doesn't have writing, or money---then
things would be pretty difficult.

But it is possible. And it has been done. The Cherokee Nation prior to contact with
European settlers was well established but wasn't literate, and likely didn't have a
banking system or anything quite like that. However, within a fairly short time of
contact the Cherokee had invented a written alphabet and constructed literacy for
their language. Some had become well educated in U.S. society within a generation.
In fact, one of the Cherokee eventually ended arguing a case before the U.S. Supreme Court
himself, to try to require the US and states to adhere to the treaties they were breaking. I
think they could figure out a credit card.

message: one random person and random contact? Little can be learned. With substantial effort and contact, however, progress and understanding can happen quite quickly.

If we don't understand ETs, it's because the ETs are keeping it that way.

Don't overestimate humans---and don't underestimate them either.

Originally posted by mbkennel

I think you underestimate Ben Franklin.

Not really, Ben Franklin was the Einstein of his day

The card is not what's important, it's that you have signed up with contractual relationship
with a bank (Ben Franklin knew about banks) which says that the bank will pay
the seller, and the buyer will pay the bank, and that everybody better be honest
or they'll get sued.

My point was more to the material----plastic, and less to the exchange of money. Ben was way ahead of his time but had he been shown something like plastic that would have been completely alien to him

First, the idea of letters of credit and such for trade were well established.
Such ideas are perfectly understanble to Franklin.

He understood banking as well as anyone of his time period.

And he also knew how difficult getting credit was----back then people had to sign away their mule, whatever property they had, including giving up their freedom if they failed to pay back the money they owed

Getting credit was a massive ordeal-----today nearly anyone can get credit----and credit cards show up in mailboxes without any effort----you can take a small piece of plastic and buy a car without putting up your two mules, wife, kids and all your property

Ben would not have believed credit to be so easy as we have it today, and anyone talking such nonsense would be tarred and feather and run out of town in his day

The Cherokee Nation prior to contact with
European settlers was well established but wasn't literate, and likely didn't have a
banking system or anything quite like that. However, within a fairly short time of
contact the Cherokee had invented a written alphabet and constructed literacy for
their language. Some had become well educated in U.S. society within a generation.
In fact, one of the Cherokee eventually ended arguing a case before the U.S. Supreme Court
himself, to try to require the US and states to adhere to the treaties they were breaking. I
think they could figure out a credit card.

They had a couple hundred years of contact with the white man, plenty of time to figure things out

message: one random person and random contact? Little can be learned.

ET imparts much information that way---they have done it for thousands of years

With substantial effort and contact, however, progress and understanding can happen quite quickly.

Absolutely---have you noticed how much we have progressed in the past hundred years?

If we don't understand ETs, it's because the ETs are keeping it that way.

How many people really believe my stories? There are many that would tar and feather me and run me out of town----but it’s too much of a hassle finding the time, the tar and feathers---especially with the bird flu going around

ET releases billions of bits of new information into human society every day----but they don’t take the credit for it----therefore few believe they exist----that’s how they want it

Don't overestimate humans---and don't underestimate them either.

Have you taken a good look at human history up to the present, why would I underestimate us?

Ok help me out here(remember I can't tell sarcasm from a simple joke).
Is this sarcasm or a simple joke?

But I can tell you want the good stuff, the drink reserved for VIPs. Well I don’t talk about it much because it’s too crazy and ammo for the skeptics but here is a smidge--- where you can go into a room inside the ship and actually meet Ben Franklin----not time travel, not hologram, but the man himself as he is now, he looks exactly the same except he was wearing a light brown robe---we talked about the weather

The same as what? The box of bones buried in Philly?
Of course you talked weather. What else would one discuss with the nations first meteorologist. You think next time you could lambast him for the postal system he created?

Btw these folks would appreciate you bringing Ben by for the celebration.
www.benfranklin300.org...


Yes he was an intelligent man
earlyamerica.com...
and I'm sure he would be appalled at the way his name is sullied.

Why refer to Mr. Franklin in the first person above yet later use

Ben Franklin was,Ben was ,He understood,he also knew ,Ben would not

?


[edit on 3/24/06 by longhaircowboy]

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Ok help me out here(remember I can't tell sarcasm from a simple joke).
Is this sarcasm or a simple joke?

We talked about the weather----he is known for his work with electricity---he looked for thunderstorms so that he could fly his kite into it

Get it? We talked about the weather

No one got that one

No one but me.
Thanks though for clearing that up. I thought for a moment there you expected someone to believe it.

Originally posted by mbkennel

But then again everything is perspective, if you were able to go back and meet Ben Franklin and you handed him a credit card----how could you explain plastic to him? Or even the concept of living in a time where plastic cards are used as money----that you can use over and over again without giving up that mysterious card in exchange for the goods

There is no amount of words that would explain a simple piece of plastic to people a few centuries back much less the rest of the things that make up our lives today

I think you underestimate Ben Franklin.

First, the idea of letters of credit and such for trade were well established.

The card is not what's important, it's that you have signed up with contractual relationship
with a bank (Ben Franklin knew about banks) which says that the bank will pay
the seller, and the buyer will pay the bank, and that everybody better be honest
or they'll get sued.

Such ideas are perfectly understanble to Franklin.

Now, if you go to a hunter-gatherer society which doesn't have writing, or money---then
things would be pretty difficult.

But it is possible. And it has been done. The Cherokee Nation prior to contact with
European settlers was well established but wasn't literate, and likely didn't have a
banking system or anything quite like that. However, within a fairly short time of
contact the Cherokee had invented a written alphabet and constructed literacy for
their language. Some had become well educated in U.S. society within a generation.
In fact, one of the Cherokee eventually ended arguing a case before the U.S. Supreme Court
himself, to try to require the US and states to adhere to the treaties they were breaking. I
think they could figure out a credit card.

message: one random person and random contact? Little can be learned. With substantial effort and contact, however, progress and understanding can happen quite quickly.

If we don't understand ETs, it's because the ETs are keeping it that way.

Don't overestimate humans---and don't underestimate them either.

My God (!), talk about overcomplicating a throwaway remark.

Gaz

This entire thread is for the most part, all throwaway remarks.

NC

[edit on 24-3-2006 by NotClever]

What I don't understand about sleeper is that he consistently says that we are not ready because we are constantly impugning his stories. He doesn't seem to make the connection that it isn't because we are naive, it is because we are NOT naive. We don't accept stories anymore. If we did we would have a lot of stories and truths to accept without any logical proof.

Though I do not believe sleeper, I do not totally disbelieve him. This could be possible, who knows. I for one do not accept the bull s*** that humans cannot even "imagine", aliens/Et or whatever. That our brains aren't "capable". Maybe some people will freak due to their beliefs now (such as fundamentalist Christians). But people who are opened [not too opened of course ], I think we can accept and learn things.

Do I think ET gives humans all their knowledge. Definitely not. I wish they could give me all the knowledge so I don't have to study! I think the ET are just bragging a bit much in that area.

People like Ben Franklin, Einstein, ME lol, could accept the extraordinary. But I cannot accept the extraordinary on a message board with no proof. Or in books written thousands of years ago.

Well Sleeper like i said i dont know if it was real or not..i remmeber it like a dream, the important thing here is that the ship becomes part of you, like i said a part of your body, and that's why we cant explain their manouvers are so radycall to us, because the mind thinks and execute much fatster than thinking then transfering that to your hands and then your hands doing the manouver.

About if we are ready to open contact i guess right Now no...simply because we cant be at peace with each other (wars, hunger, and lot's of things) and with all that imagine a Alien race coming down, our problems would be worse with that, many will think they are good, others would think they are evil, others demons...and so on, first we have to live at peace between us and then maybe contact will be realized in better enviroment.

That's what i think

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Alien Infiltrator
Since when did you have alien contact from childhood?

You should have said that earlier.Your story has lots of holes in it.

You mean like Swiss cheese?

You know as well as I do that nothing I say will convince you.

Short of you and the others seeing and joy-riding in a spaceship you will not believe.

Hehe, I find this person's story to be VERY interesting. And you know, a bit of a mystery, because people on ATS, for the past months I have been here, would have never thought that one of their very own Councilors has had his own experience. But that is the furthest I will go into depth on that note, the rest shall remain silent to my fellow members and staff. And I plan to keep my encounter quiet until maybe one day, it will come out of no where.

I see alot of you not believing this gentlemen. It takes only two encounteree's to understand one another. sleeper, go on with the story please, I am enjoying it.

tell me sleeper, what are the current regulations regarding any telepathic supplantation of EBE information into the human mind??? very slightly and ever so subtley doing this while we study, they could be at the helm of all of our scientific endevors. i know that with physcotronic devices they can probe our minds, and while contemplating they might very well be able to inherently tune into the fluctuation of thought, so would they be inclined to assist in our sparatic efforts to discover new knowledge??? i created a topic on the US governmental/EBE science exchange that might go on in the underground shadow compartments. at the time this notion did not cross my mind, but would explain a lot in the way of advancments in mankinds technology. bizarr as it sounds, remember anything is possible!

First, I'd like to commend Sleeper for all the time and hard work you have put into this long thread, and managing to keep the skeptics at bay. This has indeed been a fun thread to follow.

Originally posted by sturod84
tell me sleeper, what are the current regulations regarding any telepathic supplantation of EBE information into the human mind???

Sturod, a very interesting concept indeed. I thought this over, but I think it is quite far out there. Considering most inventions are not the result of luck but determination and hard work it is quite hard to believe that our ever-sophisticated technologies of the 21st century were the results of mind control. You don't believe our actions are pre-determined do you?

not at all just that snippets of information here and there are the product of alien supplantation. a helping hand if you will, on the road to the discoveries. perhaps while going over the numbers an idea will be subtley implanted into the thought process of a scientist, mathamtician, philosopher, or engineer, here and there. i donno just a thought...

Originally posted by sturod84
tell me sleeper, what are the current regulations regarding any telepathic supplantation of EBE information into the human mind??? very slightly and ever so subtley doing this while we study, they could be at the helm of all of our scientific endevors.

Much of this thread is about ET transmitting technology and other knowledge to scientists, politicians and ordinary people----either telepathically or in person.

They are at the helm as you put it of most human advances

i know that with physcotronic devices they can probe our minds, and while contemplating they might very well be able to inherently tune into the fluctuation of thought, so would they be inclined to assist in our sparatic efforts to discover new knowledge???

They can and do probe our minds but not with devices, they do it with their minds

Humans can’t hide their thoughts from ET

Humans have similar powers over animals and insects, we can’t read the brains of animals but we know what they are capable of-----our intellect is far superior because animals and insects don’t have intellect, they operate solely on instinct

In comparison to ETs’ intellectual powers human intellect is reduced to the level of instinct----they anticipate our action before we act on them

In addition they telepathically hear every thought in our heads-----and they can scan every bit of information in our minds----they have access to our memories

Originally posted by Liquidus
First, I'd like to commend Sleeper for all the time and hard work you have put into this long thread, and managing to keep the skeptics at bay. This has indeed been a fun thread to follow.

Originally posted by sturod84
tell me sleeper, what are the current regulations regarding any telepathic supplantation of EBE information into the human mind???

Sturod, a very interesting concept indeed. I thought this over, but I think it is quite far out there. Considering most inventions are not the result of luck but determination and hard work it is quite hard to believe that our ever-sophisticated technologies of the 21st century were the results of mind control. You don't believe our actions are pre-determined do you?

Thanks Liquidus



Most invention are the result of determination and hard work and in some instances several people come to similar results after years of trial and error----like the invention of the phone----but it’s the first person to the patent office that receives the credit

ET seeds ideas into peoples’ minds, sometimes on an individual basis but many times they give the ideas to several

Nevertheless, ideas are a dime a dozen, -----the payoff comes to those who bring the idea out of concept and into reality and that takes perseverance-----and some ideas take a hell of a lot of work and determination to get off the ground

And I might add all the blood sweat and tears that any one individual may anguish over are not a guarantee of success----as we all know

For every success there are many who fail yet they may have worked equally if not more so than the winner-----as in some Olympic competitions the bronze medal and the gold medal are separated not by ability but by a fraction of a second

Which brings us to the saying-----life is a journey, not a destination-----but it can be a destination