Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face.

Sleeper, I am wondering why you seem to approve of the religions of Abraham (or seem to imply that ET used these religions in some way), when the Abrahamic religons are totally opposed to the idea of rebirth?

If ET knows rebirth is real, why would they have backed the Abrahamic religions to whom rebirth is an abhorrent notion?

Good question.
Can't wait to hear the vague answer




[edit on 3-3-2006 by violet]

[edit on 3-3-2006 by violet]

Thank you Sleeper for adding some of the true agenda behind the ETs. This is appreciated. It's always best for the knowledge to be balanced so that the individual can make a valid choice for themselves. Humans can help the ETs. There are plenty of spiritually evolved humans on Earth that can help the ETs much more than the "other" guys can. I'm sure such advanced humans would understand the situation your ETs find themselves in. Unfortunately, actions have shown that the ETs think they can get what they want by taking it. This is the one case where that is incorrect. What they want can only be given. It would be a great learning experience for ET if they decided to take a look at the other side of the fence. The door is always open.

Sleeper, When was the last time you visited or talked with the Entities?

They obviously know that you have already written this post. Have they said anything to you about it?

Is there some way you can communicate with them about this thread and have them comment on it? I mean, what's more convincing than an alien commenting. Surely because of their intelligence above ours they could come up with probably a single sentence that would just shut us all up and prove everything.



P.S. That is Porsches "speed" Yellow, the vettes is not as nice looking, Porsches' has a higher gloss to it. IMO

[edit on 3-3-2006 by porschedrifter]

Originally posted by MagicaRose

The great thing about dieing is that it only last a few seconds and then you are alive again somewhere else.

The place you wake up in will be a temporary place----a fantastic city that you will never want to leave.

Hi Sleeper,
I've just started reading your posts in the past several days.
When I read what you said in the above posts and I wI was totally shocked!
My daughter died in 1989.
I had a dream of her after she died. I asked her what it was like where she is now.
These are the exact words that she said to me in a calm voice "It's just another "place" Momma".
I just had to tell you this and I have much more that I will post later.
Thank you for telling about your experiences.

Hi all, I haven't posted on here for a while, but I have been observing you all! A few pages back, there were some really interesting questions and I was enjoying reading them and Sleepers answers. But just recently it seems to have gone all pear-shaped again. With certain members trying to upset the status quo, I thought it was time for me to chuck in my 2 pennies worth.

The post above by MagicaRose is exactly the sort of thing I want to read about, I hope she can take the time to share some more of her thoughts. But she is a rose in a bed of thorns (pardon the pun). In the last few pages there is absolutely nothing of interest whatsoever. I don't normally like singling people out and making an example of them, but I am at the end of my tether with them.

Longhaircowboy, Sleeper is right you are a royal pain in the arse. Your constant whittering is annoying to the extreme. You are like someone scraping their fingers accross a blackboard or an itch that you cannot scratch. You go on about the same thing over and over, change the record dude you are a total bore. I don't give a monkeys that you served together at the same base, you are adding nothing of note to the overall thread. There is no proof, and your constant requests for it is not doing you any credit or taking any away from Sleeper.

Dgoodpasture, mate you are weird. You talk in riddles and not pleasant riddles at that. You say that people that believe Sleeper have no logic. Well mate, I am a 36 year old computer programmer and I have so much logic its coming out my arse. Your riddles have no logic and you are wasting your time trying to "convert" us to your way of thinking.

I applaud Sleeper for putting up with your irksome behavior for so long. He must have the patience of an angel and skin as thick as rubber to have not got irate with you by now.

I said a while ago that you guys that continue to berate Sleeper are adding nothing to the thread, you are not undermining sleepers story, all you do is make the people that already believe Sleeper angry and even more resolute to his story. So please do yourselves and us a favour and stop spoiling the movie for those of us that are enjoying it.

OK, moan over. Sleeper please continue, and do you have a reaction to what MagicaRose said?

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Knight783
In all seriousness sleeper, what you are doing is borderline disgusting. There are a lot of genuine but vulnerable people who believe your claims, particularly the young. People on a board like this especially, who are looking for answers and being duped. Discussing the paranormal is fantastic, so interesting and above all a lot of fun.

But lying isnt, just because its cyber doesnt mean you are not a conman duping some very impressionable people.

Perhaps you lie on boards and threads but I don’t

Also, part of my work is characterising people, deducing personality, particularly from writing. I can deduce many things from you, but will only mention a couple. You are absolutley NOT ex military, I dont buy it for a second.

Don’t quit your day job----assuming someone is actually paying you for something----you haven’t deduced anything correctly

Your use of jargon is absolutley incorrect, your descriptions are not those of a military mind, the use of language totally contradicts this.

Military people are normal every day people----what kind of zombies are you talking about?

I can tell many things, for instance your not a father right? Just an example.

Wrong again, two grown children

You are very very desperate to have approval as you dont get respect in real life.

From weirdoes like you and dgood-dropings and his many clones?

I dont believe your 52 either, there are so many clues you have inadvertently dropped which I wont go into, but examples are your use of syntax and small letters.

Now you are using the big words----syntax----impressive, I’m 53 not 52

And if im wrong on the last point(which I really think not) , then you should know better at your age, why try and fool people, its simple con artistry and its people like you who cause scorn to be pourn all over this subject.

Well you got me there----I haven’t fooled you and your star child want-to-be

And you analyze for a living----don’t you feel bad about taking money over false pretences?

Being laughed at because of my cyncicism and opinion (dont forget this is a FORUM, opinions, ideas, discussion) just makes me sit back and shake my head. Ive no comeback as I dont need one. And after 60 pages of this nonsense sleeper calls ME a weirdo. My last post on this thread as I feel like my mind is rotting, wouldnt wanna end up like sleeper would I. Ciao

Originally posted by Knight783
Being laughed at because of my cyncicism and opinion (dont forget this is a FORUM, opinions, ideas, discussion) just makes me sit back and shake my head. Ive no comeback as I dont need one. And after 60 pages of this nonsense sleeper calls ME a weirdo. My last post on this thread as I feel like my mind is rotting, wouldnt wanna end up like sleeper would I. Ciao

I only hope you are true to your word. Please stick to your word

Longhaircowboy, Sleeper is right you are a royal pain in the arse. Your constant whittering is annoying to the extreme. You are like someone scraping their fingers accross a blackboard or an itch that you cannot scratch. You go on about the same thing over and over, change the record dude you are a total bore. I don't give a monkeys that you served together at the same base, you are adding nothing of note to the overall thread. There is no proof, and your constant requests for it is not doing you any credit or taking any away from Sleeper.

You obviously haven't bothered to actually read my posts. I never claimed we served together just thst it was possible.
And really what I'm looking for is the possibilty of other witness'. Surely if such amazing events occurred on a military base someone else may have witnessed it.
And I just love that the sleeperites who choose to harrangue me on IM have such a wonderful 3 word vocabulary. Too bad they're not allowed to use it here.
Deny Ignorance. Or if not then just click ignore.

For those of you discussing the topic in an adult manner

The rest of you, grow up.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
You obviously haven't bothered to actually read my posts. I never claimed we served together just thst it was possible.
And really what I'm looking for is the possibilty of other witness'. Surely if such amazing events occurred on a military base someone else may have witnessed it.
And I just love that the sleeperites who choose to harrangue me on IM have such a wonderful 3 word vocabulary. Too bad they're not allowed to use it here.
Deny Ignorance. Or if not then just click ignore.

I can barely stay awake long enough to read your entire posts. Which is probably why I missed it. Or is because you are a hair-splitting tard?

Oh and how nice of you to refer to me as a sleeperite. Wow, that's imaginative. If you had bothered to read my posts, you will notice that I am someone that likes to keep the peace and not the type to harrangue you on IM.

I singled you out because you are archetypical of the people that seem to be enjoy disturbing the peace around here. You are ignorant and don't know when to quit whining. Trust me, people are cheesed off with your wittering, do us all a favor and switch to silent mode.

Originally posted by MagicaRose
Hi Sleeper,
I've just started reading your posts in the past several days.
When I read what you said in the above posts I was totally shocked!
My daughter died in 1989.
I had a dream of her after she died. I asked her what it was like where she is now.
These are the exact words that she said to me in a calm voice "It's just another "place" Momma".
I just had to tell you this and I have much more that I will post later.
Thank you for telling about your experiences.

Hi MagicaRose,

I think you know that your daughter is in a much happier place; otherwise she couldn't have given you the message that she did.


The best part of life is that it ends and then we are with the ones we love---no fear no hate----it’s a comfort no one while on earth can experience.

And they don't feel the separation----they are aware of us and can spend time with us

Thanks for telling us a bit of your story

Originally posted by porschedrifter
Sleeper, When was the last time you visited or talked with the Entities?

We are in regular contact

They obviously know that you have already written this post. Have they said anything to you about it?

They are the source of some of it

Is there some way you can communicate with them about this thread and have them comment on it? I mean, what's more convincing than an alien commenting. Surely because of their intelligence above ours they could come up with probably a single sentence that would just shut us all up and prove everything.

Does everyone really want to know all the answers with one sentence?----We have to finish our lives on this planet, if we know all the answers that would spoil the ending of the play.

sleeper your making me nervous.

i have relatives that i dont like seeing in this life, let alone in some afterlife or different state of being.

do i have to see these people again after i die, lol



[edit on 3-3-2006 by moderndayHanSolo]

sleeper,

Originally posted by sleeper
Does everyone really want to know all the answers with one sentence?----We have to finish our lives on this planet, if we know all the answers that would spoil the ending of the play.

Didn't you pretty much spoil the end of the play in your post just before this one?

Originally posted by sleeper
The best part of life is that it ends and then we are with the ones we love---no fear no hate----it’s a comfort no one while on earth can experience.

Can you explain the apparent contradiction in the above quotes?

I'm with porschedrifter; all powerful, all knowing, perfect "ETs" should be able to provide one tiny little thing that would calm the clamor. (nifty alliteration!) And doing that should in no way cause harm or discomfort to the readers here who accept your account and in some cases, are comforted by it.

I live deep in the woods, and for years I have stood on my porch at night, challenging any intelligence to make themselves known to me. I'm sure they're here and I crave contact. But alas, nothing. I'm willing to face the fear in order to finally know. You already posted here that they are forbidden to kill or harm me.

Originally posted by sleeper
Aliens are not allowed to kill humans (intergalactic protocol)

and;

Originally posted by sleeper
Aliens are not here to do harm

I'm utterly willing and ready to accept whatever consequences may occur.

So here you are claiming to have intimate contact and knowledge of extraterrestrial intelligence...and you or your contacts refuses to provide what I need to answer my questions. These "ETs" are, by your account, utterly in control , completely perfect, and able to alter my reality in the blink of an eye. By your assertion, they are able to alter any consequences of revealing themselves to me or anyone else. So what possible harm would it be for them to manifest some proof to me personally?

This basic contradiction, and your intransigence, almost forces me to conclude your account is fiction.
Please review these links:
Suspension of disbelief is a willingness of a reader or viewer to suspend his or her critical faculties to the extent of ignoring minor inconsistencies so as to enjoy a work of fiction.

Deus ex machina....refers to an unexpected, artificial, or improbable character, device, or event introduced suddenly in a work of fiction or drama to resolve a situation or untangle a plot. The phrase has been extended to refer to any resolution to a story which does not pay due regard to the story's internal logic and is so unlikely it challenges suspension of disbelief....

Have a great weekend.

Not

[edit on 3-3-2006 by NotClever] I hate re-writes!!

[edit on 3-3-2006 by NotClever]

Originally posted by moderndayHanSolo
sleeper your making me nervous.

i have relatives that i dont like seeing in this life, let alone in some afterlife or different state of being.

do i have to see these people again after i die, lol

Depends on how many negative points you have racked up for yourself while here on earth

That’s an incentive to fly right----

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Klepto
Could you perhaps draw a diagram of what you saw, explain what business you had in entering the craft and also if they are in the future going to take 'action' against humanity that they would make humanity privvy to their existance..

Sleeper...there is one race that is a threat to humanity...those are the grays. There is a benevolent race of reptilians living underground, but they are not aliens...they have been here for thousands of years. I think the only threat we have are the draconians...or the *bad* reptilians, and the New World order...that's all. Are you implying that you are* a member of the government?..........or military?

Why is this allowing to go on? I think if you read the past 5 pages there was enough evidence presented here to falsify this whole thread (and even before that)... I'm beginning to think maybe it's an ATS conspiracy. Or are the mods themselves fooled or interested? I'm taking everything into contemplation now... especially after the points that were made earlier, and to come back today and still see the thread going strong.. it makes absolutely no sense at all.

Originally posted by dgoodpasture
I noticed, Sleeper... that you avoid those questions, evidence, research and remarks that can jeapordize your story... way to go

Keep up the illusion... it's funny that aliens are illusional and that we have to believe in them even though we'll never see them or remember them... ever.

but somehow... he does. But... better yet... we do see them, we just don't know it, they are humans! Oh... and they steal our souls and replace us with clones! Gosh... I hope I'm not an alien clone... oh my gosh... epiphany... I'd never know! The illusion! Ah! Illusions are not answers, they don't exist, they are illusions. Illusions are paradoxes. This is what I've found to be true about paradoxes... let me fill you all in... and especially you sleeper! I'm starting to think that maybe you've really tricked yourself into believing this..

There is no peace in a paradox, except for acceptance of the paradox, and a paradox is not the truth that is to be settled on.

Illusions and paradoxes are not truth! They aren't answers to questions. They are never ending routes of deceit and trickery!

Yet, I have to admit... this thread was quite the philosophy test for me, thank you Sleeper. We all learn something from everything in life, if we choose to.

Since an illusion is really just a concept of nothing.. let me fill you in on something else as well.

One must believe in something in order to believe in nothing, and one must believe in nothing in order to believe in everything.

Starting to make sense now? It doesn't exist...

What he is telling you is that there is no proof and there never will be! He's already told you! Look deeper.

Illusion is not proof! Err.... round and round it goes... when will it be stopped. Illusion doesn't exist!

[edit on 2-3-2006 by dgoodpasture]

An illusion is the imagination... he has admitted this is all illusion... it is not tangible. I think this man has a serious mental dissorder... he cannot distinguish between deceit and truth. Either that or he had deliberated on this idea/philosophy before he started this thread, and then put it into action ... sat back and watched how many people would fall for it without ever noticing... he's already told you... there is NO proof... it's his own words. Gah! Or perhaps the illusion is the illusion itself! Ponder that. When there is no evidence to be provided, we must turn to philosophical proof. Here it is. It's discerning to say the least. Unless you can provide us with an ounce of physical and material proof, your story is philosophically flawed. And that is the answer to this thread, it was all illusion "pixie dust" type stuff. The story... simply put... is philosophically flawed because there will be no physical evidence. This is a serious manipulation of the readers own perception and reality. Game over.

As NotClever clearly pointed out, this is what is going on

"Suspension of disbelief is a willingness of a reader or viewer to suspend his or her critical faculties to the extent of ignoring minor inconsistencies so as to enjoy a work of fiction. "

[edit on 3-3-2006 by dgoodpasture]

dr$%^&pasture

thats how low you have gotten, replying to you own post, lol.

Originally posted by whitelightwolf

Originally posted by sleeper

Originally posted by Klepto
Could you perhaps draw a diagram of what you saw, explain what business you had in entering the craft and also if they are in the future going to take 'action' against humanity that they would make humanity privvy to their existance..

Sleeper...there is one race that is a threat to humanity...those are the grays. There is a benevolent race of reptilians living underground, but they are not aliens...they have been here for thousands of years. I think the only threat we have are the draconians...or the *bad* reptilians, and the New World order...that's all. Are you implying that you are* a member of the government?..........or military?

That's a question to me-----not a quote by me----or are you asking something else?