Trump indicted in classified documents case in Florida

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Mr. Nauta will be added to the growing list of people President Trump will pardon, soon after 1/20/2025.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: MrInquisitive

We've been hearing that "flip on Trump" phrase for years now...Since 2017 I believe, when General Flynn coerced into confessing by dirty FBI agents, in order to protect his son.

By now only the mentally slowest members of the population think Donald Trump has broken any major laws.

That's a hoot. So, in your mind obstructing justice, and violations of the Espionage Act aren't major laws? Who do you think you're kidding, besides your fellow Trump cultists? Describing anyone understanding the law and the facts of this case as the mentally slowest of the population is just another typical ridiculous name-calling attack by a Trump cultist. You people never have facts to make your case, only ad hominem attacks. That you can't seem to see this makes it manifestly clear who are the mentally challenged when discussing such matters.

This is all I ever get from you MAGA and alt-right types, personal attacks and refutations based on the "nuh-uh" principle.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: MrInquisitive

Mr. Nauta will be added to the growing list of people President Trump will pardon, soon after 1/20/2025.

Now there's a bold statement.

Again, if I were Nauta, I wouldn't hang my legal hopes on that poo pie in the sky plan.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Dadan won't be doing the heavy lifting in this case. She's primarily there because Nauta's other lawyer can't appear in court without also having a lawyer that's licensed in Florida present. The fact that her main office is in Fort Pierce, the same city where Judge Cannon is based out of, is probably another bonus.

However, the main lifting will be done by Stanley Woodward. A lawyer paid for by Trump's PAC and who also represents Dan Scavino, Kash Patel, and Peter Navarro, along with a number of J6 defendants.

a reply to: MrInquisitive

Here's the interesting thing about that, Nauta was charged for lying to investigators but not perjury. We know that he appeared before the grand jury. So that would imply that there was at least a period of time where he was cooperating with the investigation if he testified truthfully before the grand jury.

Yay for corrupt govt!


Yay for unequal application of law!

Yay for the ignorant who don't see how this can be used on....you!

a reply to: JinMI

You mean to tell me that if I steal national defense secrets and then lie to the FBI about doing so that I will get arrested? What is the world coming to?

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
So, in your mind obstructing justice, and violations of the Espionage Act aren't major laws? Who do you think you're kidding, besides your fellow Trump cultists?

I'm not some Trump cultist, but everyone slightly right of the far left can see how just naming something doesn't make it true, so saying "obstructing justice, and violations of the Espionage Act" plus a plethora of other crimes doesn't instantly make them real.

All we need to look at is Trump being impeached for suggesting there is something wrong in Ukraine with the Bidens and that was seen as Trump withholding 391 million unless it was done. The term "quid pro quo" was used excessively in his impeachment all the while all parties said there was no connection, and nothing was ever suggested. Then we have had for many years now Biden actually bragging about his "quid pro quo" with Ukraine in withholding a billion dollars if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was getting kickbacks from.

So... when you say "in your mind" you might need to look in the mirror when you say it...

originally posted by: Threadbare

You mean to tell me that if I steal national defense secrets and then lie to the FBI about doing so that I will get arrested? What is the world coming to?

Who stole what here?

a reply to: MrInquisitive
Can you imagine if there was evidence of Hilary doing this, like actual evidence of obstruction, video of intentionally moving and hiding boxes from investigators and audio admitting to all of of this?

I know the MAGA cult will quickly say Hillary is guilty of all the same stuff and worse which is simply not the case and claim the emails were a much bigger "crime" and then some.

With the espionage charges the same folks making excuses fir Trump, would be calling for the death penalty if Hillary was facing the same charges.

a reply to: jrod



"I know the MAGA cult will quickly say Hillary is guilty of all the same stuff and worse which is simply not the case."


Not a Maga cultist. You are dead wrong. I could easily prove you wrong but what would be the point. It won't change your mind.

a reply to: jrod

Hillary got Obama to attempt the take down of successful Presidential Candidate Donald Trump.

That act was FAR WORSE than Trump forcing corrupt FBI/DOJ/Judges to do stupid things, to protect themselves.

Keep your thinking cap on JRod.

originally posted by: Xtrozero

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
So, in your mind obstructing justice, and violations of the Espionage Act aren't major laws? Who do you think you're kidding, besides your fellow Trump cultists?

I'm not some Trump cultist, but everyone slightly right of the far left can see how just naming something doesn't make it true, so saying "obstructing justice, and violations of the Espionage Act" plus a plethora of other crimes doesn't instantly make them real.

All we need to look at is Trump being impeached for suggesting there is something wrong in Ukraine with the Bidens and that was seen as Trump withholding 391 million unless it was done. The term "quid pro quo" was used excessively in his impeachment all the while all parties said there was no connection, and nothing was ever suggested. Then we have had for many years now Biden actually bragging about his "quid pro quo" with Ukraine in withholding a billion dollars if they didn't fire the prosecutor investigating the company his son was getting kickbacks from.

So... when you say "in your mind" you might need to look in the mirror when you say it...

Anyone even slightly right of the far left, huh? I most certainly don't qualify as far left. Perhaps by the standards of ATS I do, but that's a very low bar. I'm not for slaves reparations, I don't consider transexual persons to be the gender they want to think they are, I'm not for defunding the police, and I could come up with other counter examples if I thought about it enough. There are also plenty of Republicans and former Republicans who think he is guilty of these crimes. You're saying these people are far left? LOL.

The people defending Trump, despite the evidence against him are his cult members, and others who don't believe anything the government says whatsoever. The latter group of people are mystifying as they seem to believe what Trump and his legal team and other supporters say, even though these people have been shown to have lied over and over, and Trump used to be a significant part of the government.

We're not talking political ideologies in any case. We're talking about upholding the rule of law and applying laws equally to all citizens. It's not just me saying Trump obstructed justice and violated the Espionage act. It's the facts of the matter as laid out in the indictments against him. Is he absolutely guilty of these crimes? No, a jury will decide that. But I was responding to a person who claimed Trump broke no real laws of consequence, which simply appears to not be the case. There are cctv footage and multiple witness testimony, including from his former lawyers, that he lied to the government about the documents, and moved items around to hide them from the government. He was caught red-handed with classified and declassified documents, which he had no legal right to hold onto. And there is further audio tape evidence and witness testimony that he has shared some of these documents.

Claiming otherwise and not providing a bit of evidence to support it shows which side is dealing in denial and delusion.

originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: MrInquisitive
Can you imagine if there was evidence of Hilary doing this, like actual evidence of obstruction, video of intentionally moving and hiding boxes from investigators and audio admitting to all of of this?

I know the MAGA cult will quickly say Hillary is guilty of all the same stuff and worse which is simply not the case and claim the emails were a much bigger "crime" and then some.

With the espionage charges the same folks making excuses fir Trump, would be calling for the death penalty if Hillary was facing the same charges.

You got that right. People here have already claimed Biden is a traitor and should be hanged, even though the existing evidence is extremely flimsy at best, and the investigation isn't over yet. They want their cult leader to be immune to the laws of this nation, while they want their chief political enemy to not receive the usual rights of an accused person.

And with respect to HRC, "Lock her up!" was one of the chief chants of Trump supporters at his rallies in 2016. Again, they don't want justice, they want punishment for those whom their cult leader says deserves punishment. If that isn't indicative of a fascist cult, I don't know what is.

originally posted by: RickinVa
a reply to: jrod



"I know the MAGA cult will quickly say Hillary is guilty of all the same stuff and worse which is simply not the case."


Not a Maga cultist. You are dead wrong. I could easily prove you wrong but what would be the point. It won't change your mind.

You could easily prove @jrod wrong, but what's the point, huh? In other words, you got nothing. Which is all MAGA cultists ever have. And at this point, anyone still support Trump is clearly a Trump/MAGA cultist. There is no other way to explain their denial of facts in the documents case against him.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: jrod

Hillary got Obama to attempt the take down of successful Presidential Candidate Donald Trump.

That act was FAR WORSE than Trump forcing corrupt FBI/DOJ/Judges to do stupid things, to protect themselves.

Keep your thinking cap on JRod.

HRC got BHO to attempt to take down DJT, huh? How about some actual evidence of that? I have yet to see any actual evidence of this put forward. And the claim that HRC's campaign was doing so came from information obtained from Russian intelligence. Are you even aware of that fact?

Trump is forcing corrupt FBI and DOJ officials and judges to do stupid things to protect themselves? What are you talking about? According to you Trump cultists, it is nearly the entire government, including judges appointed by Trump and a FBI director appointed by Trump, many of Trumps former staff members and even some of his former lawyers who are all in on one big conspiracy to take down your totally innocent and totally honest cult leader Trump. This is the definition of delusion and denial in a cult follower.

originally posted by: JinMI
Yay for corrupt govt!


Yay for unequal application of law!

Yay for the ignorant who don't see how this can be used on....you!

Boo for posts that don't back up any of their absurd claims!

There are multiple posts in this thread describing and linking to articles about the mountain of evidence against Trump in this case, as well as explaining what laws he is alleged to have broken, yet all you have are nay-saying comments without any substance. Funny that.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive
We're talking about upholding the rule of law and applying laws equally to all citizens. It's not just me saying Trump obstructed justice and violated the Espionage act. It's the facts of the matter as laid out in the indictments against him.

You just do not get it. They have been shooting spitballs against the wall hoping something sticks for 7+ years now. They don't care if it is real or not, they just want to charge to be picked up by the news and social media and they reached their goal. Did you hear? they are dropping the case in Fl, but the mission was still accomplished. The reason why they even went down the path of the Espionage Act was because they ended up with no case for him to have the documents.

Biden, Obama, Clinton, and 1000 others had classified after they left office, some illegally while still in, and nothing there in the end with them. With Trump, the National Archives and Records Administration knew he had the documents. In these other cases, the documents were outside of official channels, which is much worst.

This will go nowhere too, but I'm sure someone else will come along with another go-around before the election. It is funny they are willing to spend years and millions of dollars to get Trump on anything, making crap up along the way too and we see nothing with Biden who has actually done the things they accuse Trump of. This is the double standard that the DOJ and FBI have been playing, and I guess you just do not see it.

a reply to: RickinVa
Well show us the evidence!

Has Hillary shown and discussed sensitive material to foreign nationals?..

I do not like Hillary or Biden, but do you not see how hypocritical you are when you defend Trump call for Hillary and Biden to be charged with treason?

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't get it? Who's ignoring the legal evidence? You and your fellow Trump supporters and/or apologists.

Trump could've avoided the current documents investigation and indictments by not taking the documents in the first place. You seem to be ignoring this fact. If the charges laid against him so far are true, will you still be defending him?

You wrote this:

Did you hear? they are dropping the case in Fl, but the mission was still accomplished. The reason why they even went down the path of the Espionage Act was because they ended up with no case for him to have the documents.

What on earth are you talking about?!?!?!?!?!?!? I bothered to google your claim, and here is what I found:

Judge dismisses Trump’s case challenging Mar-a-Lago document seizure after appeals court ends special master review

A federal judge on Monday dismissed former President Donald Trump’s lawsuit challenging the government’s access to materials seized from his Mar-a-Lago resort, marking the formal end to Trump’s months long legal fight following the FBI’s raid of his home.

The judge’s order came four days after Trump declined to appeal a higher-court ruling that canceled the appointment of a special master to review the thousands of items taken by federal agents during an Aug. 8 raid of Trump’s Florida residence.

Judge Aileen Cannon, a Trump appointee, signed a one-page order dismissing the case for lack of jurisdiction. The order, filed in U.S. District Court in West Palm Beach, also terminated all hearings, deadlines and motions that were still pending in the case. That includes Trump’s effort to obtain an un-redacted version of the search warrant affidavit that was used to sanction the raid.

Nothing about the government's case being dismissed. Yet that is what you're claiming. As for your statement about how the DOJ went down the path of the EA because they ended up with no case for him to have the documents, that makes absolutely no sense at all; it was because Trump had no case for his retaining these documents that his lawsuit was thrown out of court. How could you get this so completely wrong? Trump derangement syndrome is not something his detractors get. It is obviously a mental disease his supporters have. But as is their and their cult leader's way, they project their own mental issues and other foibles on those who disagree with them.

Given that you're so completely wrong about the claim in your first paragraph, I am not going to bother wasting the time to refute your erroneous claims equating what other presidents have done compared to Trump other than to say, as far as I know, no one has even made the claim that Obama mishandled documents. Classified documents from his administration were handled properly for their inclusion in his presidential library.

It is so tedious dealing with you Trump supporters who constantly make stuff up and refuse to look at facts or live in reality. And as is usually the case, you made your false claim (that is a very polite description for it) without backing it up with any facts, i.e. citing a reasonable news source. Why would anybody with a lick of critical thinking skill take anything you Trump supporters/apologists claim seriously? You're wrong every time, either mischaracterizing the facts or flat-out making false claims.