Nazi Influence in Ukraine

originally posted by: Dalamax
Good guys?

You mean like the white goods superstore?

www.thegoodguys.com.au...

a reply to: putnam6

Ha, looks like the Aussie version of BrandSmartUSA,

I should have been obvious, there are no longer any "good guys"

We just mostly try and choose which piece of crap stinks the less, no wonder 70 million eligible voters don't vote

originally posted by: Xtrozero

Over 50% of Nazies are actually Russian

Really? Who found them all and counted them? I bet they were unbiased and objective. Wonder if they found all the card carrying Nazis the US harboured after ww2?

Russia Nazis

This is consistent with western media post Feb '22 efforts. It's obvious enough to be pathetic.

So when someone posts about Ukraine's "Nazies" it almost makes me spit my coffee in laughter compared to Russia's "Nazies"

Over indulgence in western media can also cause this reaction. Like junk food (only for the mind) take it sparingly, especially with coffee.

As to the Wagner group, the leader named it after Hitler's favorite composer Wagner. Hitler allegedly said the following: "Whoever wants to understand National Socialist Germany must know Wagner." Hitler was obsessed with Wagner, as is the leader of the Wagner group.

Lol.

Did he really?

So those who are quite fond of Wagner are Nazis, you'll have to inform them. That's not a stretch at all and should go over well. Though I can't help notice that he died long before the Nazis were ever thought of.....

I tend more towards orchestra and (genuine Nazi) Orf's Carmina Burana. Perhaps I shouldn't, given the way the Nazi intelligentsia embraced it (even officially) in the '30s. Yet I doubt I support Nazism because of this. Then again, I have been known to enjoy the Bolshoi ballet too (Putin puppet?) lol.

Christianity was also central to Nazi ideology (a continuation of Luther's delusional anti semitism). Is Christianity a Nazi front?

Hitler was personally also very fond of western movies apparently. He wrote glowingly of the US genocide of the native inhabitants. Hollywood Nazis?

Then again Hitler was also fond of Camomile tea. ..see where this thinking leads?

The Ukraine has a long and well documented history of Nazism and Nazi collaboration as they hated Soviet rule. As does the US of harbouring and funding them (from their own govt documents). About 50 members of congress signed a letter of protest at Ukrainian govt overt support of Nazism (pre '22). The symbolism worn by soldiers and pics of Bandera in govt offices need no nuance to interpret.

Do you have any genuine facts that Wagner is driven by Nazism or rife with Nazi idealogues? Given how they recruit it would seem unlikely. Also given that no country on earth has more reason to despise Nazism than Russia (though you do get occasional weirdos no matter which country they originate). Also given that Nazism viewed Russians in particular and slavs in general as inferior humans.

originally posted by: TacoLoco75
Still waiting on Oldcarpy to come in and tell you that you are a Putin lover and that you don’t know nothing !! Hahaha!a reply to: JAY1980

You'll have to keep waiting because I really can't be bothered.

originally posted by: Quintilian

Do you have any genuine facts that Wagner is driven by Nazism or rife with Nazi idealogues? Given how they recruit it would seem unlikely. Also given that no country on earth has more reason to despise Nazism than Russia (though you do get occasional weirdos no matter which country they originate). Also given that Nazism viewed Russians in particular and slavs in general as inferior humans.

You really have missed the original point in all this. That point is Russia and people supporting Russia's invasion were spouting it all was done to free Ukraniains from Nazis. No one but they really give a crap about Nazis, but for many on that side, there is a Nazi behind every tree. I only pointed out that Russia has a very large so-called Nazi population that I have said is mostly more anti-social movements and gang-related. The commander of the Wagner group, Dmitry Utkin is pretty proud of his "SS" and "Storm Head Leader" tats, so you tell me. It's been pointed out many times that many Russians fought for Nazis too as different countries leaned one way or the other. Even America was on the edge as to who to support. As the war went on all finally saw just how bad Hitler was and so to fight him was kind of a no-brainer.

I personally feel the whole Nazi thing should just be dropped, but then it seems some people want to just keep it going on and on.

As to this...

This is consistent with western media post Feb '22 efforts. It's obvious enough to be pathetic.

It is literary a timeline that you can look up each one half a dozen way, so go look them up one by one if you care.

Really? Who found them all and counted them? I bet they were unbiased and objective. Wonder if they found all the card carrying Nazis the US harboured after ww2?

Well, first we are talking 2023 with 70k+ in Russia that are basically gangs but were also used as strongarms after 1993, and not what went on in the 1930s overall. Not a huge number, but then there aren't millions of Nazis following people in the world like some want to believe either. It's kind of like White supremacists in the US that the left wants to portray as "all over the place" and when they had a nationwide rally about 100 came to it...lol

Today Nazis/White supremacists are either low-life people who have failed in life and need to blame others for their personal failures or they are gang/criminal groups. Not very enticing either way.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
I dont have a dog in this fight other than my tax dollars and not wanting to see my country involved in another proxy war.

But its intellectually dishonest to ignore the fact that for YEARS up until literally right before this all broke out, almost EVERY news agency in the western world REPEATEDLY reported on the huge Neo Nazi contingeant running amok in Ukraine

Now were suppose to pretend it didnt happen and drink the Koolaid like good little cultists.......sorry I dont like Koolaid

If we had a button that we could give 5 stars to someone like once a month, you would've gotten it here.

For years we heard about the rise of right wing nationalists and neo-Nazis in eastern Europe, including in Ukraine, from Western media. It wasn't just a couple Nazis. It was presented as a systemic problem and a threat to Western democracy, usually with a purported connection to Trump.

Now they just straight up lie and say it's a non-issue. Western media spent years justifying Putin's invasion before he started it. Were they lying then or are they lying now? Either way they're proven, demonstrable liars.

The gullibility of the people who believe this # is off the scales.

a reply to: face23785

"Western media spent years justifying Putin's invasion before he started it."

When did that happen?

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: face23785

"Western media spent years justifying Putin's invasion before he started it."

When did that happen?

I explained all that. Of course you're gonna pretend you're stupid and act like I literally meant CNN or BBC aired segments where they said, word for word, "Putin is justified in invading Ukraine."

I see you're as intellectual as ever.

And regarding all that "what about Wagner" whining, has Western media been trying to sell them as good guys?

a reply to: face23785

I asked you a simple question and you come back with all that?

I won't bother again.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: face23785

I asked you a simple question and you come back with all that?

I won't bother again.

No surprise, seeing as how you didn't bother reading the first post.