Intelligence officials say U.S. has retrieved craft of non-human origin

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Have we ever spent the energy to go retrieve the many landers and things we've dropped on planets and moons??

Humans haven't got the capability to recover anything that's been landed anywhere.

We can't even recover all the bloody space junk that's floating around.

We can.


It is just not profitable to do so with our current technology.


The US Space Shuttle, for example was, arguably launched, and "recovered from orbit" a number of times.

Then, of course, in the early days of the cold war, the CIA and the NRO routinely recovered film canisters from US spy satellites in orbit over hostile countries.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

How would one go about "shooting down" a vehicle using (an) "anti-gravity" (field) for propulsion?


Think about it.


Anything (explosive projectiles, for example) encountering the area around such a craft would be immediately deflected due to the effects of gravity being "warped" in the crafts proximity, thus allowing the ship to "fly".


And, since light itself can be "lensed" by a strong gravitational field, even directed energy weapons (DEW's), might prove ineffective.

Consider this:

When you shoot something down, in a traditional sense, you render it incapable of flight.

So, it’s down.

Jets produce thrust, which pushes the plane forward, which puts higher and higher velocity air over the wings, which results in flight.

So, a missile that either explodes the craft or some other projectile that kills the engines or destroys a flight surface will down the plane.

Enter a world where there are no flight surfaces - the shape of the craft is aerodynamically irrelevant given it does not use airspeed for lift.

But, there is some sort of “power source” that allows the craft to fly.

So, if we found crashed craft (over 70 years), reverse engineered what we found, figured out what makes it fly…

We also may have figured out a “weapon” that could render them inert…

TLDR: We have come a long way since The Battle of Los Angeles.

originally posted by: vlawde

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: vlawde

What about other governments? It's a BIG PLANET. Any craft recoveries?

If we in fact did recover any unknown craft, it would make sense other countries have as well.

BTW if you have issues accessing the site, apparently it's up and down because the amount of folks checking it out is just a bit too much forthe site to handle

It’s conceivable that this was the basis for our invasion into Iraq - and specifically what was there that isn’t oil.

Consider the National Press Club discussion shortly prior to 9/11…

As a total “just thinking out loud” that I put little weight to… what if our ET pals really need fossil fuels, and we’ve been consuming their energy source 😜 (that is a joke - the above is not).

a reply to: Ravenwatcher

Actually, it is very easy to determine whether a particular being presenting themselves as originating from somewhere other than Earth (or from Earth, but from a different Time) is telling the truth.


Ask them to explain how they "got here" without violating the basic physics of the universe.


If they/it (or the being among them responsible for such technology) cannot do that, then they are fakes.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Hmmmmm……I wonder if it’s possible…..

The Lockheed X-22A Anti-Gravity Fighter Disc

Artist Rendition….

Lockheed has been working in the "black" on a discoid-shaped aircraft. Not only does this aircraft utilise anti-gravitic propulsion, but the discs are believed to be equipped with highly advanced particle beam weaponry.

Lockheed does hold the patents on disc-shaped passenger aicraft, so it is not unreasonable to assume they have also (successfully) investigated the possibility of creating such craft as military platforms.

Who knows how farther along they’ve gotten….

Perhaps we’re just shooting E.T. out of space and the skies…and to earth they fall.

A real life Star Wars.

In our lifetime…no less

Perhaps Space Force isn’t just a flash in the pants after all.

👽

Just to twist this up a little…

In the background of the Sunspot issue… we got Space Force.

Maybe those “observatories” are a real nice cover for other things… since Space Force looks at the sky, too.

originally posted by: Ravenwatcher

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Erno86
I just can't believe that the otherworlders would leave behind intact or pieces of wreckage, for us to ponder or re-engineer with; other than landing pod marks or charred-out foo fighter landing zones.

It all sounds like another cooked-up CIA conspiracy, meant to mislead the American public...the likes of the George Adamski kind.



Erno

Have we ever spent the energy to go retrieve the many landers and things we've dropped on planets and moons???

Just playing devils advocate here

Especially if they aren't manned

To be fair that's apples and oranges -- The planets we drop things on are uninhabited and the "Tech" certainly wouldn't change or benefit any Alien species even if they stumbled across a defunct rover .

The UFO's on the other hand go out of the way to remain unseen and know the planet has the ability to exploit their tech and as many "Aliens" that are supposedly on out planet they certainly would want to recover Tech and crew . Even the it's us time travel theory we would want to recover said tech to keep from changing any timelines .

It's just government propaganda .

Don't get me wrong I believe they are out there but just not here in the numbers reported .

I have spent thousands (not millions, but his research helped me along) and I can tell you this having satisfied the majority of my curiosity:

Bigelow was right. Unequivocally.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

There are 8 or 9 different types of aliens. I call them something else though.

I suspect you’ve rightly broadened your definition of “humanity”. 😉

Welp….the schedule as I understand it….is NASA has another public meeting in Aug-Jul 2023.

Next ARRO meeting in June 2024……..just enough time in between to forget previous proceedings. I believe Truman and or Ike were briefed Quarterly.

Perhaps a parade of Whistleblower’s will get things updated quicker…

👽

originally posted by: TXRabbit

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
It’s on….


What a deflator……it was looking like Lou Elizondo’s coming out party that went bust…..with no hard proof.

This was a joke……no Craft no Aliens….. nada zilch.

And so my wait continues…….

I’d like to see proof before old age succumbs me.

I guess my Alien Head Vodka will have to age some more…..

UFOlogy’s back and forth banter continues….

👽

Shocker! (no, not really)

I'm tellin ya....TTSA all over again with some of these clowns

It would buck the trend if it wasn’t TTSA all over again.

Doesn’t mean he’s wrong, however.

Look at it this way - this is a person who has a decorated service history saying what he’s saying.

You could either say he’s legit, or he’s an agent.

Uncertain which one, but, neither one makes him incorrect in his assertions.

The truth is so “unbelievable” that even when it’s told, it’s not accepted - at least not easily.

Even when the saucer is presented to us by a government in this world, some people will call it CGI.

Very, very closed minded - but such is typical human condition.

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Mahogany

Why? We crash all the time for many different factors and this is OUR planet

I think it's folly to think that another race is infallible even if they came from somewhere else

Pretty sure "sht happens" is universal law

If they can get here, in a reasonable amount of time, from light years away, then it's doubtful that they're crashing once they get here. It's a possibility, but the claim of many retrievals over multiple decades -- not likely.

I can think of one way....but it is a bit....speculative.



In this universe, nothing can exceed the speed of light. No form of matter. No form of energy.

Except...Information.


Through quantum entanglement, the instantaneous communication between two quantum entities at a distance from each other, Information can be "shared" over vast distances instantly. The reality of entanglement has been experimentally proven. "Information" is a very broad term.

Suppose a technology that uses quantum entanglement to "transmit" Information to a specific point in 3D space causing the quantum matter at that point to "assemble" into the atoms necessary to form the desired structure(s).

The closest analogy I can suggest would be something like transmitting the instructions for an object from your home in Alaska to a 3D printer in South Africa for a robotic probe?

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Mahogany

Why? We crash all the time for many different factors and this is OUR planet

I think it's folly to think that another race is infallible even if they came from somewhere else

Pretty sure "sht happens" is universal law

If they can get here, in a reasonable amount of time, from light years away, then it's doubtful that they're crashing once they get here. It's a possibility, but the claim of many retrievals over multiple decades -- not likely.

Again… they could have crashed over many, many decades.

Hundreds of thousands of years.

We find Dinosaur bones… why couldn’t we find very “ancient”, yet very advanced technology?

Reminder - all of known civilization could have played out many thousands of times - and we are totally unaware of what that looked like.

Reframe the conversation at a different scale - we just happened to have recently (in the last 100 years or so) developed the tech to find in the Earth what has been here all along.

a reply to: LoneCloudHopper2

According to him, the government has managed to "recover quite a few UFOs.

if such an astonishing number of crash recoveries have indeed been made, wouldn't you expect some sort of evidence "by now" to surface from civilian researchers and archeologists? The lack thereof certainly sets off my BS meter.

I am not trying to be a Smart ass but 'Bob Lazar' told us this 30 Years ago , He laid it out calmly and Logically his story never changed he told us the Truth and I believed him then and I believe him now .

So this it not news to me and it shouldn't be to anyone else , that is if people actually paid attention and Listened and drew their own conclusions.

It's not unreasonable to consider craft from somewhere else inadvertently not knowing all the variations of our earthly weather hense "crashes". Unless specified with actual undenyable evidence how anythings been shot down I'm OK with lightening having nailed craft. Or hey, Delrechio's weren't anticipated.

Somewhere in all the Elizondo drama it was mentioned that different factions were at odds over Truth/No Truth so this new whistleblower could be just another volley in that swinging Richard saga. Eventually we'll get info just based on both parties not knowing when to quit bickering with each other.

Right about now it'd be nice to hear Vallee's thoughts on all this.

originally posted by: Mantiss2021

originally posted by: MrInquisitive

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask
a reply to: Mahogany

Why? We crash all the time for many different factors and this is OUR planet

I think it's folly to think that another race is infallible even if they came from somewhere else

Pretty sure "sht happens" is universal law

If they can get here, in a reasonable amount of time, from light years away, then it's doubtful that they're crashing once they get here. It's a possibility, but the claim of many retrievals over multiple decades -- not likely.

I can think of one way....but it is a bit....speculative.



In this universe, nothing can exceed the speed of light. No form of matter. No form of energy.

Except...Information.


Through quantum entanglement, the instantaneous communication between two quantum entities at a distance from each other, Information can be "shared" over vast distances instantly. The reality of entanglement has been experimentally proven. "Information" is a very broad term.

Suppose a technology that uses quantum entanglement to "transmit" Information to a specific point in 3D space causing the quantum matter at that point to "assemble" into the atoms necessary to form the desired structure(s).

The closest analogy I can suggest would be something like transmitting the instructions for an object from your home in Alaska to a 3D printer in South Africa for a robotic probe?

I agree with you, as this is not “out there”.

That said, is “light” a “thing”… or a byproduct of “something”.

I don’t say that in jest - think about it.

Einstein may not have been wrong, but he also might not have been complete, either.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Has it been established what Grusch currently does for employment?

I’ve done searches and coming up with nada.

With his credentials, he seems like a perfect candidate for any 3 letter agency.

Leslie Keane, Jeremy corbel et al ...are the biggest losers in the "UFO" community. Pure charlatans and gaslighters. If you were an insider with access to classified info, you simply dont talk about it...period. thats how the real world works. there arent whistleblowers in this regard. youre ignorant and sorta pathetic if you think theyre for real. they are pushing a narrative.

a reply to: asabuvsobelow

you know its easy to memorize a lie and tell it with a straight face ad nauseum every time right.

a reply to: Mantiss2021
you are correct you cant travel faster than light...but you can make your speed of light faster than thir speed of light....hint hint.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
Leslie Keane, Jeremy corbel et al ...are the biggest losers in the "UFO" community. Pure charlatans and gaslighters. If you were an insider with access to classified info, you simply dont talk about it...period. thats how the real world works. there arent whistleblowers in this regard. youre ignorant and sorta pathetic if you think theyre for real. they are pushing a narrative.

this ^^^

The timing is questionable too. Last week NASA. This week TTSA redux