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Have you ever done the math?
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I wasn't sure which category to choose for this post so I hope this is the correct one.
Have you ever done the math on how many people there would have had to be to create you? The numbers just don't add up. Think back to the year 1 AD. How many people on earth would there have to be to create you?
Have you ever done the math on how many people there would have had to be to create you? The numbers just don't add up. Think back to the year 1 AD. How many people on earth would there have to be to create you?
a reply to: stellawayten
It took two humans to physically create my mortal body, plus the Divine Spark from a place before this, whose rules I know nothing of to even begin to estimate how many beings were involved in the process that led to the development of that genetic material my parents (and ancestors) contributed and the pre-emptive spark of consciousness and subsequent sequence of events and social interactions and environmental stimulus that makes me who I amat this time and place.
I'm also schizophrenic, so I've got stuff going on that falls outside of the normal realm of experience, and who knows where those voices and unknown influences come from.
I can only speculate.
One hell of a brainteaser though, thanks for posing the inquiry!
(I'm also horrible at math so I skipped that part of the assignment.)
It took two humans to physically create my mortal body, plus the Divine Spark from a place before this, whose rules I know nothing of to even begin to estimate how many beings were involved in the process that led to the development of that genetic material my parents (and ancestors) contributed and the pre-emptive spark of consciousness and subsequent sequence of events and social interactions and environmental stimulus that makes me who I amat this time and place.
I'm also schizophrenic, so I've got stuff going on that falls outside of the normal realm of experience, and who knows where those voices and unknown influences come from.
I can only speculate.
One hell of a brainteaser though, thanks for posing the inquiry!
(I'm also horrible at math so I skipped that part of the assignment.)
edit on 6/4/23 by GENERAL EYES because: grammar edit
a reply to: stellawayten
What part are you claiming doesn't add up? Are you meaning the total direct descendents in a family tree or something different?
If you mean how a person has two parents in turn have two parents each (four parents in that generation) then the total amount per nth generation/iterance can be calculated with a simple equation that I can demonstrate.
What part are you claiming doesn't add up? Are you meaning the total direct descendents in a family tree or something different?
If you mean how a person has two parents in turn have two parents each (four parents in that generation) then the total amount per nth generation/iterance can be calculated with a simple equation that I can demonstrate.
a reply to: andy06shake
All praise our common ancestor, the ameoba.
Single celled organisms for teh win!
(P.S. That's hopefully an obvious joke and attempt at levity and absurdity)
All praise our common ancestor, the ameoba.
Single celled organisms for teh win!
(P.S. That's hopefully an obvious joke and attempt at levity and absurdity)
edit on 6/4/23 by GENERAL EYES because: minor edit
Excuse me. Maybe I didn't make myself clear which happens frequently. How many people in the year 1AD would it have taken to make you.
originally posted by: stellawayten
I wasn't sure which category to choose for this post so I hope this is the correct one.
Have you ever done the math on how many people there would have had to be to create you? The numbers just don't add up. Think back to the year 1 AD. How many people on earth would there have to be to create you?
It appears it is a complicated and has to do with algorithmic calculations.
To estimate the number of people it would have taken to create you in the year 1 AD, assuming a generation span of 25 years, we need to determine the
number of generations that have passed between then and now.
The year 1 AD was approximately 2022 years ago (as of 2023). To calculate the number of generations, we divide this time span by the generation span of 25 years:
2022 years / 25 years per generation ≈ 80.88 generations
Since we cannot have a fraction of a generation, we can round up to 81 generations. Therefore, it would have taken 81 generations to reach the present day from the year 1 AD.
Now, let's calculate the number of individuals required to create you. Assuming each generation has two parents (one male and one female) who produce offspring, the number of individuals doubles with each generation.
Starting with one individual in the first generation (you), the number of individuals in each subsequent generation can be represented as follows:
Generation 1: 1 individual (you)
Generation 2: 2 individuals (your parents)
Generation 3: 4 individuals (your grandparents)
Generation 4: 8 individuals (your great-grandparents)
...
The number of individuals in each generation is given by 2^(n-1), where n represents the generation number. Using this formula, we can calculate the number of individuals required to create you:
2^(81-1) = 2^80 ≈ 1.20892582 × 10^24
Therefore, it would have taken approximately 1.20892582 × 10^24 individuals to create you in the year 1 AD.
The year 1 AD was approximately 2022 years ago (as of 2023). To calculate the number of generations, we divide this time span by the generation span of 25 years:
2022 years / 25 years per generation ≈ 80.88 generations
Since we cannot have a fraction of a generation, we can round up to 81 generations. Therefore, it would have taken 81 generations to reach the present day from the year 1 AD.
Now, let's calculate the number of individuals required to create you. Assuming each generation has two parents (one male and one female) who produce offspring, the number of individuals doubles with each generation.
Starting with one individual in the first generation (you), the number of individuals in each subsequent generation can be represented as follows:
Generation 1: 1 individual (you)
Generation 2: 2 individuals (your parents)
Generation 3: 4 individuals (your grandparents)
Generation 4: 8 individuals (your great-grandparents)
...
The number of individuals in each generation is given by 2^(n-1), where n represents the generation number. Using this formula, we can calculate the number of individuals required to create you:
2^(81-1) = 2^80 ≈ 1.20892582 × 10^24
Therefore, it would have taken approximately 1.20892582 × 10^24 individuals to create you in the year 1 AD.
a reply to: stellawayten
Earth couldn't support such a large number of people. And that's just for ONE person.
Earth couldn't support such a large number of people. And that's just for ONE person.
a reply to: stellawayten
Every blue eyed relative...is related to only 1 and the same...SINGLE ancestor. Look it up
Every blue eyed relative...is related to only 1 and the same...SINGLE ancestor. Look it up
originally posted by: stellawayten
Therefore, it would have taken approximately 1.20892582 × 10^24 individuals to create you in the year 1 AD.
Unless your last name is Usher, then it may have only taken 2.
For those who may not get that reference, watch or read The Fall of the House of Usher.
You have to take inbreeding into account.
a reply to: stellawayten
Ahh, it's not 2 to the power (n -1) it's 2(n-1) - the sum total of each generation would be 2(n -1) + 2(n-2) + 2(n-3)... series equation and Gen1 would be 1AD rather than 2023AD using that measure.
It also requires factoring in deaths - if each couple only has two children per generation the population will remain static, less than 2 it will decline, more than two it will grow.
Ahh, it's not 2 to the power (n -1) it's 2(n-1) - the sum total of each generation would be 2(n -1) + 2(n-2) + 2(n-3)... series equation and Gen1 would be 1AD rather than 2023AD using that measure.
It also requires factoring in deaths - if each couple only has two children per generation the population will remain static, less than 2 it will decline, more than two it will grow.
edit on 4-6-2023 by bastion because: (no reason given)
Now let's go the other way...
If there were only 2 people in the year 1 AD, and each person died at the age of 40, and each couple had one child at the age of 30, let's calculate the number of people who would be alive today.
Considering a generation span of 30 years, we can calculate the number of generations that have passed from the year 1 AD to the present day.
2023 years (current year) / 30 years per generation ≈ 67.43 generations
Since we cannot have a fraction of a generation, let's round down to 67 generations. Therefore, it would have taken 67 generations to reach the present day from the year 1 AD.
Now, let's calculate the number of people alive today. We start with the original couple (2 people) and each subsequent generation doubles in size. However, since each person dies at the age of 40, we need to account for the decrease in the number of living individuals after that age.
Generation 1: 2 people (the original couple)
Generation 2: 2^1 = 2 people (1 child of the original couple)
Generation 3: 2^2 = 4 people (2 grandchildren of the original couple)
...
To account for the decrease in the number of living individuals after the age of 40, we divide the number of people in each generation by 2. This assumes that half of the individuals are still alive at any given time until they reach the age of 40.
The number of people alive today can be calculated by summing up the number of people in each generation up to the 67th generation, while taking into account the decrease in the number of individuals after the age of 40:
(2 + 2^1/2 + 2^2/2 + 2^3/2 + ... + 2^66/2)
Using the formula for the sum of a geometric series, the total number of people alive today would be:
(2^(67+1)/2 - 2) = 2^68/2 - 2 ≈ 5.53767779 × 10^20
Therefore, if there were only 2 people in the year 1 AD, and each person died at the age of 40, and each couple had one child at the age of 30, there would be approximately 5.53767779 × 10^20 people alive today.
If there were only 2 people in the year 1 AD, and each person died at the age of 40, and each couple had one child at the age of 30, let's calculate the number of people who would be alive today.
Considering a generation span of 30 years, we can calculate the number of generations that have passed from the year 1 AD to the present day.
2023 years (current year) / 30 years per generation ≈ 67.43 generations
Since we cannot have a fraction of a generation, let's round down to 67 generations. Therefore, it would have taken 67 generations to reach the present day from the year 1 AD.
Now, let's calculate the number of people alive today. We start with the original couple (2 people) and each subsequent generation doubles in size. However, since each person dies at the age of 40, we need to account for the decrease in the number of living individuals after that age.
Generation 1: 2 people (the original couple)
Generation 2: 2^1 = 2 people (1 child of the original couple)
Generation 3: 2^2 = 4 people (2 grandchildren of the original couple)
...
To account for the decrease in the number of living individuals after the age of 40, we divide the number of people in each generation by 2. This assumes that half of the individuals are still alive at any given time until they reach the age of 40.
The number of people alive today can be calculated by summing up the number of people in each generation up to the 67th generation, while taking into account the decrease in the number of individuals after the age of 40:
(2 + 2^1/2 + 2^2/2 + 2^3/2 + ... + 2^66/2)
Using the formula for the sum of a geometric series, the total number of people alive today would be:
(2^(67+1)/2 - 2) = 2^68/2 - 2 ≈ 5.53767779 × 10^20
Therefore, if there were only 2 people in the year 1 AD, and each person died at the age of 40, and each couple had one child at the age of 30, there would be approximately 5.53767779 × 10^20 people alive today.
a reply to: GENERAL EYES
Best to entertain all possibilities and thus hedge one's bet would be my thinking on the matter.
End of the day the only thing we can say for certain is that we all came from the same place, that being between our mammy's legs.
Anything past that is at best speculation and requiring further study to come to any definitive conclusion or so I'm lead to believe.
Best to entertain all possibilities and thus hedge one's bet would be my thinking on the matter.
End of the day the only thing we can say for certain is that we all came from the same place, that being between our mammy's legs.
Anything past that is at best speculation and requiring further study to come to any definitive conclusion or so I'm lead to believe.
a reply to: stellawayten
I remember reading some years ago that any two people on Earth are no more genetically different than sixth cousins. You take a Saharan nomad and an Alaskan Eskimo, go back far enough, and they are at least sixth cousins. I don't know how true that is.
But if you consider an extreme case, say your parents are brother and sister, then you only have two grandparents instead of four. It would be the same if your parents were first cousins. That would cut the number in your calculations in half. Even second or third cousins would reduce the number going further back.
Even if you're not a descendant of royalty, there will be a certain amount of inbreeding in your lineage simply due to things like limited travel. When I go to visit relatives in NC, I can't help but notice how many total strangers have the same last name as my grandfather or my grandmother's maiden name. Are we related in some way? Probably so. Maybe third or fourth cousins. If I were to have a child with one, that child may not have as many unique great grandparents as you might think.
I remember reading some years ago that any two people on Earth are no more genetically different than sixth cousins. You take a Saharan nomad and an Alaskan Eskimo, go back far enough, and they are at least sixth cousins. I don't know how true that is.
But if you consider an extreme case, say your parents are brother and sister, then you only have two grandparents instead of four. It would be the same if your parents were first cousins. That would cut the number in your calculations in half. Even second or third cousins would reduce the number going further back.
Even if you're not a descendant of royalty, there will be a certain amount of inbreeding in your lineage simply due to things like limited travel. When I go to visit relatives in NC, I can't help but notice how many total strangers have the same last name as my grandfather or my grandmother's maiden name. Are we related in some way? Probably so. Maybe third or fourth cousins. If I were to have a child with one, that child may not have as many unique great grandparents as you might think.
why in your opinion are your ancestors all monogamous and only have 1 child?
originally posted by: stellawayten
a reply to: stellawayten
Earth couldn't support such a large number of people. And that's just for ONE person.
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