If the Government Has UFO Crash Materials, It’s Time to Reveal Them by Christopher Mellon

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Will Mellon’s crusade bare fruit? or die on the vine?

If Mellon or anyone else knows of a "secret" U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft, then it really isn't a secret now is it. So where are the whistleblowers?

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Here ya go:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Thanks, but it says the six whistleblowers were working on Roswell-style UFO so they could be reverse engineering some other country's advanced technology, could the not?

Only if you think that some other country already had Roswell UFO technology in the 1940s. I don't. For example, we don't know how to make the Roswell "memory foil", even today. We have a better understanding of how it COULD work, because of advances in metamaterials and whatnot, but nobody on the planet can make the stuff. IMHO

a reply to: ITSALIVE

Your right…..I went off the rail in responding to your post…..

I’ve had personal experiences in my life that continues to lead me to “I want to believe”.

I want my government for once in its existence, to tell me and the rest of us the absolute truth behind what’s in our skies. It’s a hopeful wish.

Your stipulation for convincing you, is to find bonafide life elsewhere….off-planet. I don’t personally hold that view. I echo others that say….they are here and have been here for a long time.

I believe the government is the holder of half truths.

You state….”the existence of UFO’s does not prove the existence of aliens” …… I could see that to be true….but I can also say, what if UFO’s themselves were manifested lifeforms’s?

Theories abound.

I have also stated….in previous threads……why are we waisting money looking for life in the Cosmos….when they’re already supposed to be here….imo.

The government is a puppeteer performing acts along the way of our daily lives.

The day a ufo lands or crashes, wheather occupied by living entities or not, in a populated area I.e. Main Street……whatever country….the u.s. government will loose some of its control…and I believe they will have to fess up.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

I have also stated….in previous threads……why are we waisting money looking for life in the Cosmos….when they’re already here….imo.

To find advanced space travel technology because at the rate we are destroying this planet we need another one to the same with.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

For example, we don't know how to make the Roswell "memory foil", even today. We have a better understanding of how it COULD work, because of advances in metamaterials and whatnot, but nobody on the planet can make the stuff. IMHO

Consider this for a moment…a little bit of project Mogul…but then the following experiment with actual witnesses like Jesse Marcel Jr. for one….about the memory metal….is what causes someone to think Hmmmmm….

start at time 28:40 until finish…

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originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Will Mellon’s crusade bare fruit? or die on the vine?

If Mellon or anyone else knows of a "secret" U.S. government program involving the analysis and exploitation of materials recovered from off-world craft, then it really isn't a secret now is it. So where are the whistleblowers?

.....

Here ya go:

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Thanks, but it says the six whistleblowers were working on Roswell-style UFO so they could be reverse engineering some other country's advanced technology, could the not?

Only if you think that some other country already had Roswell UFO technology in the 1940s. I don't. For example, we don't know how to make the Roswell "memory foil", even today. We have a better understanding of how it COULD work, because of advances in metamaterials and whatnot, but nobody on the planet can make the stuff. IMHO

We may be on our way though.

a reply to: quintessentone

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To think…the cost of reverse engineering….to produce Paperclips!

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a reply to: 1947boomer

Huh?
Say hello to Nickel Titanium aka Nitinol

Funnily enough came out of the Navy's Ordnance Laboratory - rumor has it via Battelle (whole other rabbit hole).

The problem with "Roswell Memory Foil" is it's just a rumor- there is no evidence.

Unless you were into cutting edge materials and ISR ballooning in 1947- high strength silver Mylar -(alleged to be used in some Project Mogul balloons) - might appear "alien" enough for the non initiated to suspect ET.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
a reply to: quintessentone

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To think…the cost of reverse engineering….to produce Paperclips!

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You are hilarious.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

You do of course remember……that according to the TTSA and Army CRADA……the CRADA schedule ends in late September 2023……

So the jury is still out on any type of results report either way.

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Have any of these "Milestone Reviews" been made public?

Anyway my point was more about how disingenuous this all seems.

If we are to believe all the subtle hints from the likes of Mellon and Zondo and the other spooks at TTSA, they were supposedly lobbying various people in Congress and already had a hand in the setting up of the UAPTF and then AARO.

If that was the case and AATIP was so successful in convincing Zondo and ,post-2016 Mellon, on the genuinely anomalous nature of the UAP sightings AATIP supposedly analysed. Then why is there no apparent succession from AATIP? Why do they appear to be starting over?

It doesn't make any sense does it?

a reply to: Ophiuchus1

do NOT hold your breath. My guess is they or someone in the military, does.

originally posted by: mirageman

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

You do of course remember……that according to the TTSA and Army CRADA……the CRADA schedule ends in late September 2023……

So the jury is still out on any type of results report either way.

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1) Have any of these "Milestone Reviews" been made public?
2) Then why is there no apparent succession from AATIP?
3) Why do they appear to be starting over?
4) It doesn't make any sense does it?

1) I suspect ARMY milestone reviews are internal until such time as to share a final report with the public.

2) Can we really know, with proof, that there hasn’t been an (unknown nameless as of yet) project between the time gap of ATTIP and the UAPTF?

3) If you think about it …it seems to me that every project after project SIGN …we’re all “Do Overs”…this ARRO is just keeping with tradition?

4) No MM….it doesn’t make sense…..what does make sense to all these projects…is the funding to keep ‘em going. It’s a job creator!….and now even more so….the UFO/UAP industry is growing.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

1) I suspect ARMY milestone reviews are internal until such time as to share a final report with the public.

Never trust your suspicions. According to Black Vault

TTSA in October of 2019 also showed their interest in their collaboration with the U.S. Army, and stated that they, “…will share its discoveries with Ground Vehicle System Center (GVSC) and Ground Vehicle Survivability and Protection (GVSP) and the U.S. Army shall provide laboratories, expertise, support, and resources to help characterize the technologies and its applications.” Missing from the press release? They would share the results with the public.

2) Can we really know, with proof, that there hasn’t been an (unknown nameless as of yet) project between the time gap of ATTIP and the UAPTF?

Can we really know WITH PROOF that Zondo, Mellon and others were ever involved in the forming of UAPTF and then AARO. All I've seen and heard are nods and winks that allude to such. Nothing in the way of hard proof. In fact there is no proof AATIP was anything other than a nickname for Zondo's hobby in the Pentagon.

3) If you think about it …it seems to me that every project after project SIGN …were all “Do Overs”…this ARRO is just keeping with tradition?

Not true. There is clear succsession from Sign to Grudge to Blue Book. The 'Sign' codename had been compromised so it was renamed to Grudge. Project Grudge issued a single eport. This was basically a re-evaluation of Project Sign. Sightings dropped in volume in 1949 and Lt. Jerry Cummings was left in charge. However by 1952 sightings were on the increase again. Things were ramped up and Ed Ruppelt replaced him in charge of the newly named Project Blue Book. J.Allen Hynek remained a constant throughout as an adviser with "assigned responsibilities" . it wasn't just a hobby.

4) No MM….it doesn’t make sense…..what does make sense to all these projects…is the funding to keep ‘em going. It’s a job creator!….and now even more so….the UFO/UAP industry is growing.

Indeed. But they keep employing the wrong people.

originally posted by: mirageman

Have any of these "Milestone Reviews" been made public?

Dont think so....and dare I say - will never happen.
Physical evidence/scientific proof of "materials exhibiting inertial mass reduction" would be strategically a very big deal.

Not only do you have exclusivity on a new area of physics (think E=MC2 in context of the eventual conceptualisation of Nukes) - but the fact it came from a highly unlikely to be replicated scenario (ET dropped it) makes it super attractive from a national security standpoint.

The fact the official investigation has so far overlooked the CRADA and claims made suggests they probably know no such materials exist IMO.

Acknowledgement only serves to point out that there was a serious lack of scientific oversight on the CRADA by the Army- or it was the result of a dodgy deal which required a limited hangout where a clumsy yet sometimes extremely precise ET is one potential manufacturer.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1
As a sincere UFO abductee and old enough to remember the "coming of the saucers" in 1947 at the age of 10, I find this thread as positively insane in the face of our current reality. A discussion over the existence or not of even a particle of an alien craft that involves around what our government wants us to know about such things and the willingness of the public to be spoon-fed selected information is similar to worthless details about the carpet types used on the Titanic.

Maybe Hillery put it better in her "What difference does it make," statement before Congress regarding the Benghazi debacle. UFO materials and even the astounding physics-avoiding characteristics they display is not the important questions we should be having on ATS.

We never could believe what the government has told us about UFOs and now isn't the time for a select group of 16 "experts" to get in front of us and say, "Gee, we don't know nothing yet. Let's study this situation for a few more decades. We'll get back to you on that."

Above Top Secret should be the premier place for decent discussions about where the world is being pushed to come to terms with the arrival of the aliens, but here it is, with endless bland messages of no consequence. It is rather amazing that while this site is supposedly conservative due to its clientele, when it comes to recognizing a major threat to our civilization, the conversations are inane and even apologetic to the government's handling of the situation.

I've noticed that few of the typical responders to UFO threads ever put themselves in a position to do any forward thinking about the whole situation as we do in more earthly discussions of war, money, ideologies, etc. They seem to do carefully crafted replies that never nail down the on-going governmental conspiracy nor directly attack that conspiracy. Again, after being around ATS for decades in one form or another, I find that conspiracy close to home on ATS.

a reply to: Observer19
Being as you're a "sincere UFO abductee" what is your reasoning behind your statement of "A major threat to our civilization"? This is one of the "reasons", "excuses" given out by the government. IE, Elizondo has been pushing the UFO/ alien threat from the start as a reason they don't want to disclose anything. As his, reason, If the public knew all the information there would be mass panic and hysteria.

For a start, even ATS, cannot have an in formative discussion on the UFO/alien technology because there is of yet no actual physical evidence, it's all hearsay, rumour, and conjecture.

a reply to: Observer19

Yeeaaah ... and no.

Agree that most of the discussion goes nowhere.

I think the biggest reason for that is that we know so very little.

Another issue is people making BIG assumptions regarding the phenomena. Again, we know so very little.

And as far as knowing very little goes, I think that includes the government.

Regarding exotic materials, I've no idea. But I am confident they have captured some interesting data (radar data etc.) As far as knowing what they're confronting, my guess is that the government is as ignorant as the average "civilian". They know something else is out there and that it exhibits intelligent behavior. But beyond that, I seriously doubt they have any firm idea about "the others".

So why the psych games and wishy washy responses for over 70 years now? I think part of it is cover for classified programs, but the core problem is the government assumes they will lose authority if they come clean with a statement like,

Yes, there is some other form of intelligent life that can do anything it pleases in our world and there is practically nothing we can in response. You are at THEIR mercy.

FWIW, I don't think ANY government in the world will make a statement like that, because it is tantamount to saying "we have zero authority because we aren't the big dog you thought we were".

I, too, would like a straight answer. But the last few years, I've gradually reached the "so what point" on UFO topics. I believe there are phenomena, but now doubt strongly that any conclusions will be reached about those phenomena in my lifetime.

Cheers

originally posted by: Observer19
Acknowledging that the aliens are indeed here is the crux of the matter beyond any other aspect.

A piece of industrial slag won't convince people that aliens are here, but a dead alien would be convincing, as long as it's not fake like the one in the alien autopsy video. So instead of saying "show us the metamaterial", we should be saying "show us the dead alien".

originally posted by: Ophiuchus1

originally posted by: mirageman
Wait what?

The same Chris Mellon who was on the TTSA Board of Directors who oversaw the turning over of materials to the army in a CRADA agreement?

Since which there has been no public development.

Or did we all forget?

You do of course remember……that according to the TTSA and Army CRADA……the CRADA schedule ends in late September 2023……

So the jury is still out on any type of results report either way.

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I think Linda Howe sold that material to Tom DeLonge's TTSA for $35,000, claiming she got it from a guy who got it from an anonymous source who claims it came from a crashed flying saucer with dead aliens.

UFO Researcher Explains Why She Sold ‘Exotic Meta-Material’ to Tom DeLonge

In October 2019, Tom DeLonge’s ‘To The Stars Academy’ entered into a partnership with the US Army to study an exotic ‘meta-material’. (See previous ExoArticle here) So where did this exotic material come from?

• In the summer of 1947, (just prior to the infamous Roswell crash of July 4, 1947) locals found a wedge-shaped craft that had crashed near the White Sands proving grounds in New Mexico where two dead aliens were discovered and one that was still alive.

Hal Puthoff said he would be glad for the company he owns to test it, for a fee of course, but that it might just be industrial slag for all he knows, and a chemical engineering PhD said that's what it might be:

Tom DeLonge's UFO Research Company Paid $35,000 for 'Exotic' Metals That Might Actually Just Be Slag

“I'd say that the chances of it being important scientifically are extremely slim. On top of that, it may not be much more than a piece of slag from an industrial process, for instance it has been suggested this may be from the Betterton-Kroll process,” Dr. Chris Cogswell, who holds a PhD in Chemical Engineering and hosts the Mad Scientist Podcast, told Motherboard.

originally posted by: mirageman
"Under Mr. Bigelow’s direction, the company modified buildings in Las Vegas for the storage of metal alloys and other materials that Mr. Elizondo and program contractors said had been recovered from unidentified aerial phenomena....."

Glowing Auras and ‘Black Money’: The Pentagon’s Mysterious U.F.O. Program
Or did we all forget?

I don't think we ever did find out how much of the $22 million dollars Bigelow got from the government was used to modify his buildings to house the UAP materials, but it was apparently wasted since Bigelow told George Knapp that he never received the materials.

Right on schedule via the familiars :

thedebrief.org...

ETA:

if not loading alt link available at webarchive using the above URL.

Pre cleared by the DOD Office of Prepublication and Security Review on April 4th no less...

Certain people always seem to get a good heads up on the internal goings on at the DoD in relation to this matter.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I agree in the way that…

Do we really need hardware materials to prove unknown Flying objects at this point?

The U.S. government has broadcasted to the entire world……that UFO’s/UAP’s exist! So by now…everybody and their grandma’s should now that.

Ok….so now that answers the “What” ………the only thing left is the “Who” ….whether they are physically piloted or controlled remotely.

We could use a live or dead suspect right about now……

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