Skinwalker Ranch and the Mystery 1.6GHz Signal

originally posted by: Bflash
a reply to: quintessentone

"WTF guys? It's reality TV. Like Ghost Hunters. C'mon get with reality."



It's nothing like Ghost Hunters.

It's a TV show but there is something strange going on.

originally posted by: linda72
Source: forteanwinds.com...

Skinwalker Ranch is a property located in the Uintah Basin in Utah, USA, and has been a hotspot for alleged paranormal activity, UFO sightings, and strange occurrences. The show has frequently highlighted the presence of a signal at 1.6GHz during anomalous events. They’ve also documented the cattle behaving agitated and unusual when the signal is detected.

The presence of an otherworldly being at Skinwalker Ranch could possibly explain the appearance of a 1.6 GHz frequency signal. However, it is also used by a variety of terrestrial applications such as communications and GPS devices. Let’s discuss…

1.6 GHz is a frequency in the ultra-high frequency (UHF) range, which is commonly used for communication systems such as cell phones, GPS, and satellite television. We’ve discussed the evidence there is an otherworldly being at Skinwalker Ranch and the fact Bob Bigelow and the US government were interested enough at one point to spend millions of dollars studying the ranch, so we’ll agree something is there and discuss why In the context of Skinwalker Ranch, there are several reasons why the presence of an otherworldly being might be associated with the 1.6 GHz frequency:

Why Might Another Species Use the Signal?

Communication: The otherworldly being might be using the 1.6 GHz frequency to communicate with their own kind or other beings, as it falls within the range of frequencies commonly used for communication purposes. This could be due to the convenience of using existing infrastructure, or because this frequency range provides a good balance between signal strength and distance for their needs.

Technology Interference: The presence of an otherworldly being could potentially introduce advanced technology into the area, which might cause interference with or mimic signals within the 1.6 GHz frequency range. This could result in the appearance of this frequency at the ranch, even if it is not being used for communication.

Energy Source: The otherworldly being could be using the 1.6 GHz frequency as a source of energy or power for their activities at the ranch. This might be because the frequency is readily available, or because it has specific properties that make it suitable for their purposes.

Disguise: The otherworldly being might be deliberately generating a 1.6 GHz frequency signal to disguise their presence or activities. By mimicking a common communication frequency, they could potentially avoid detection or blend in with the surrounding environment.

That's really interesting and I am sure this topic has been discussed before but what do you think is happening at Skinwalker Ranch? In my opinion the area is under surveillance by at least some of the Government Agencies and the Army but other players may exist such as foreign adversaries or private interests that may have a stake in the game. It's possible otherwordly forces are interested in the area and have surveilled it for sometime and probably are trying to communicate?

This range of frequencies are used quite a lot by us and I am thinking this could be a way they try to communicate. At the same time there appears to be something large underneath the area where much of the digging has happened.

I mostly agree.

This large area is under surveillance from the Government and from other parties interested in whatever phenomena are present there.

a reply to: BlueJacket

I thought I saw 1.618 on a screen, in an episode, too. I wondered if anyone else had seen that. I expected Erik to mention it, as it had appeared on one of his instruments.

Welp……Skinwalker Ranch new season 5 has started…..the 1st episode has aired….stream it from where you can.

Previous to the new season starting Coulthart did a reasonably good interview with Fugal…about Skinwalker Ranch

The 1st episode was largely about the 1.6 signal…

Starts at 00:32:00 to 01:20:50

(It also has an interview from the beginning of the vid, with the Lagina Brothers of Oak Island in case you want to see whole vid)



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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Welp……Skinwalker Ranch new season 5 has started…..the 1st episode has aired….stream it from where you can.

Previous to the new season starting Coulthart did a reasonably good interview with Fugal…about Skinwalker Ranch

The 1st episode was largely about the 1.6 signal…

Starts at 00:32:00 to 01:20:50

(It also has an interview from the beginning of the vid, with the Lagina Brothers of Oak Island in case you want to see whole vid)

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Did anyone figure out what the 1.6 GHz signal is?
I am very curious

a reply to: brodby

Not as of yet….that is to say….not as of months ago when this new season was being filmed.

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Episode 2….highlight…unexplained group of UAP…

Drops of moisture on the lens was discounted


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a reply to: linda72

Fortean Winds is being used as a source/reference so before I joined the thread I went to their webpage to familiarize myself. Their opening comments are silly. Since we know only so much about wind the claim that they are Fortean is a joke for wind is a natural force of our reality. Wind is wind and it is NOT generally associated with paranormal or supernatural events though such gusts have been reported in the various TV shows dealing with the paranormal but they are not the norm,.

Fortean Winds: "The presence of an otherworldly being at Skinwalker Ranch ... We’ve discussed the evidence there is an otherworldly being at Skinwalker Ranch and the fact Bob Bigelow and the US government were interested enough at one point to spend millions of dollars studying the ranch, ... "

I am not convinced that there are any otherworldly beings anywhere on Earth as no irrefutable evidence has ever been produced. If I have missed the source and you know please post it for examination.

[www.scientificamerican.com...
Since the early 1990s, Bigelow has bankrolled a voluminous stream of pseudoscience on modern-day UFO lore—investigating everything from crop circles and cattle mutilations to alien abductions and UFO crashes. Indeed, if you name a UFO rabbit hole, it’s a good bet the 79-year-old tycoon has flushed his riches down it.]

Proving that unlimited funds does not buy intelligence.

[en.wikipedia.org...
Among those involved were retired US Army Colonel John B. Alexander, who characterized the NIDSci effort as an attempt to get hard data using a "standard scientific approach".[3] However, the investigators admitted to "difficulty obtaining evidence consistent with scientific publication".]

If it isn't really there you can still make it up. I watch and enjoy some of the material presented on the TV show "The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch". The guys are not the sharpest thinkers especially Travis Taylor who got his Ph.D. at a local bar. They repeat everything over and over. All of these shows lack intelligence.

For a team of 'scientists' the cast of Skinwalker Ranch are killing me when they seem to intentionally avoid the obvious. You've got a mysterious 1.6 GHz signal. You've got an anomalous zone. You think you're dealing with some sort of portal/wormhole. Why not broadcast the signal and fly through the zone? FFS they were already up there in a helicopter broadcasting. They could see where the signal disappeared. You're telling me they never considered the possibility? Or if they're afraid to try that, attach a transmitter to a football and drop it though. If it doesn't work the first time try a stronger signal, adjust frequencies or modify the speed of the transportation device (helicopter, small plane, rocket, whatever) until you get it to work.

Maybe they already have? I doubt any real discoveries are going to be shared on national television. The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch will likely forever remain the equivalent of that other hit show "2 guys dig a hole for 20 seasons and find nothing".

originally posted by: TR3BA
For a team of 'scientists' the cast of Skinwalker Ranch are killing me when they seem to intentionally avoid the obvious. You've got a mysterious 1.6 GHz signal. You've got an anomalous zone. You think you're dealing with some sort of portal/wormhole. Why not broadcast the signal and fly through the zone? FFS they were already up there in a helicopter broadcasting. They could see where the signal disappeared. You're telling me they never considered the possibility? Or if they're afraid to try that, attach a transmitter to a football and drop it though. If it doesn't work the first time try a stronger signal, adjust frequencies or modify the speed of the transportation device (helicopter, small plane, rocket, whatever) until you get it to work.

Maybe they already have? I doubt any real discoveries are going to be shared on national television. The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch will likely forever remain the equivalent of that other hit show "2 guys dig a hole for 20 seasons and find nothing".

I watched an episode where they did fly through the alleged anomalous area with their helicopter. They usually sensationalise the subject but i can't say if there is something happening over there. Maybe something underneath the surface emitting radiation?

I'm less concerned with them just flying through it, I'm more interested in them flying through it while broadcasting the 1.6 GHz signal. To massively oversimplify it; think of the signal like a garage door opener.

What I don't understand - they know they have a huge object in the mesa. Something that they cannot penetrate with what ever over the counter drill they tried boring in with. They are pulling out rare Earth metals, ect.. Then they just stop. Move to the Triangle and have been launching rockets and shooting lasers now for 10+ episodes over 2 seasons.

Get back to the mesa! you can at least touch what ever is hidden there! Heck, what ever is under the mesa could be powering what ever that 1.6Ghz signal is.

Here’s a logical thought…….

If it was the indigenous Ute Indians shaman(s) that put a curse on the land causing, or triggering, all this strangeness.…..

The Navajo and the Ute tribes met near the area of Skinwalker Ranch and their relationship was instantly full of conflict and hate. The Navajo, being a very violent and aggressive tribe at the time of this instance, enslaved many members of the Ute tribe.

The Utes, having hated the Navajo tribe for enslaving their people for so long, eventually placed a curse over the land which is now Skinwalker Ranch. In fact, the Utes put a curse on the land that supposedly caused skinwalkers to begin to inhabit the area. But what is a skinwalker? A skinwalker is a type of evil witch that is part of Navajo culture.

The skinwalker is a mythical beast used in many Navajo folklore that is known for its ability to take the form of any animal. This creature is best described as a shapeshifter.

Since the Navajo tribe had long feared these creatures, the Utes used this curse as a means of retaliation for the many years the Navajos kept the native Ute people as slaves.

Then get the present Ute shaman(s) to remove the curse! ….with their ancient spells and incantations…..I got to think they were handed down from generation to generation.

Opened a portal……close a portal….by ancient means…..that empirical science has not and maybe never, fully understand.

End of story …..end of show

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originally posted by: Ophiuchus1
Here’s a logical thought…….

My reply: Curses are just a notion without a reality. Just think of the necessary logistics, it's impossible for curses to be real.
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If it was the indigenous Ute Indians shaman(s) that put a curse on the land causing, or triggering, all this strangeness.…..

The Navajo and the Ute tribes met near the area of Skinwalker Ranch and their relationship was instantly full of conflict and hate. The Navajo, being a very violent and aggressive tribe at the time of this instance, enslaved many members of the Ute tribe.

The Utes, having hated the Navajo tribe for enslaving their people for so long, eventually placed a curse over the land which is now Skinwalker Ranch. In fact, the Utes put a curse on the land that supposedly caused skinwalkers to begin to inhabit the area. But what is a skinwalker? A skinwalker is a type of evil witch that is part of Navajo culture.

The skinwalker is a mythical beast used in many Navajo folklore that is known for its ability to take the form of any animal. This creature is best described as a shapeshifter.

Since the Navajo tribe had long feared these creatures, the Utes used this curse as a means of retaliation for the many years the Navajos kept the native Ute people as slaves.

Then get the present Ute shaman(s) to remove the curse! ….with their ancient spells and incantations…..I got to think they were handed down from generation to generation.

Opened a portal……close a portal….by ancient means…..that empirical science has not and maybe never, fully understand.

End of story …..end of show

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I have never seen a DF receiver used on any of this 1.6ghz band analysis.
This is a simple RF receiver that can give the relative cardinal direction to what it is tuned to receive.
2 of them in the local area spread apart can give a fairly good fix of the signal source.

They have been used since early radio and aircraft and marine vehicles use DF to home in on all sorts of transmitting navigation beacons. SAR also uses them to home in on emergency radios and transmissions.

I even have one of these radios. It is a raytheon marine DF radio, and it works great. Built in the 40's.

The only thing they do not work well on is high-altitude or orbital transmissions, but anything on land transmitting in most any frequency will produce a relative bearing.

The main component is the rotatable loop antenna, which are configured different for the wavelengths of the particular frequency bands being monitored. The receiver has a calibrated RF strength meter that peaks when the antenna is pointing towards the source. The receiver itself is really any off the shelf radio, but some allow a rich band of frequencies that can be scanned and also have some kind of visual line plotter for frequencies that are fine tuned for analysis.

So.... why has this not been one of the first tests done on that 1.6ghz signal?

a reply to: charlyv

I'm totally with you, Charlyv! Not to rain on anyone's parade, but this show is silly. I watched it once, and in the span of 30 minutes I heard and saw some of the most ridiculous 'science' I think I've ever seen. One guy even alleged to be a physicist, and every single thing which came out of his head was completely erroneous. I am a physicist also, but a real one, and if this guy has an education in physics then he should be ashamed saying some of the stuff I heard him say.

Regarding RF (radio), you are absolutely correct. A 1.6gHz signal would be absolutely simple to pinpoint. I also happen to work in RF, so I'd hope I know what I'm doing. Unlike some lower frequencies in the RF spectrum, a 1.6gHz signal is highly directional and only propagates via line of sight (LOS). These signals do not propagate or resonate over the horizon as some of the lower frequency Amateur Radio band signals do. If anyone needs proof of this they only need to look up Amateur Radio licensing requirements which can be found in great detail in the ARRL's documentation. The lowest level of license is the 'Technician' and it heavily restricts operations below 30mHz. There's a very distinct reason for this, and this reason is propagation over the horizon (among other things).

So, what does this all mean? It means whatever this 'mysterious' (per them) 1.6gHz signal is originates within roughly 12 miles of the ranch location. Given the terrain, it could be slightly further, but not much. The stronger the propagation, the more directional a 1.6gHz signal becomes. So, while higher frequencies can propagate over longer distances, they have to be laser focused to do so. In other words, the origin of these signals would be simple to directionally locate IF they would only use the proper equipment to do so...and they are not. Not even close. Anyone with any physics or RF background would instantly know this. Why they don't is beyond me (well, the show would have way less viewers if they actually applied some true 'science' in their pursuits). In fact, I even said this exact thing aloud to the wife after the first 2 minutes of watching the program! Instead, they pull out all these fancy spectrum analyzers and other crazy stuff which, to the untrained, look technical and impressive, but they're not discovering anything they don't (or should) already know.

As you have correctly pointed out, an RDF is a specific device for locating the direction a signal is propagating from. This same thing can also be done with a simple radio hooked to a directional antenna and a signal strength meter. In Amateur Radio they even have a fun game for the lesser experienced operators called 'fox hunting' where users try to triangulate a another member's (usually mobile) transmit location. As few as two (2), more ideally (3), RDF units are required. Two will get you pretty close, and three (if done properly) will get you almost the exact coordinates of a transmit location. So, no mystery here. Candidly, if they actually knew how to use all the fancy equipment they bring out, they could actually accomplish the same thing.

Unfortunately, this show smacks of deception and illusion, and silly stunts. The way they drive around like they're on some 10,000 acre property (i.e. "Bill's gonna go up the mountain", or "Jeff is going to take the UTV and go way out to the rock wall") is nothing short of laughable. In reality, it's less than a mile long, and only nominally 600 feet wide. You couldn't drive for more than a minute to get from one side to the other! I grew up not far from this area, and I've been to this location many times. In fact, I drove by it once a week for probably 4 years. As kids we used to drive over there because it was a place to go drink beer and tell scary stories to our girlfriends. Yes, there was some old lore about the place being haunted, but it was just that, lore and wives-tales...and we all knew it, even back in the 80's. I know of no less than ten other locations where there truly is some unexplainable stuff within 75 miles of the ranch location. Ultimately, the owners of the ranch closed it off because of all the traffic. This is what the whole show is based upon, nothing more. It's just a great big illusion.

Again, I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade here; believe what you want to believe, but at least apply a bit of skepticism and common sense, folks. Now, all of that said, I do not mean to dismiss the Navajo legend of the 'skin-walkers'; that is very real, but the reality there is the Navajo never really even populated much of Utah throughout their history. Plus, the Navajo were not stupid; they would have never chosen Ballard as a place to live when they had so many other far better locations with vastly greater resources. Yes, there were some there periodically as the Navajo were a nomadic people, but their population centers were much further south. This area was populated primarily by the Ute tribe, not the Navajo. Furthermore, it should come as no surprise that many of the locals in the area of the ranch have supported and publicized this whole story. The area is an economically depressed area of Ballard so, much like Rachel, NV along the famous "Extraterrestrial Highway", the locals have embraced the whole paranormal / extraterrestrial angle because, well...it's good for business. Can't blame them for that.

Just as kind of a follow up thought...If the folks on this show really wanted to figure some things out, here would be some of the things they would do (first and foremost)

1. Use an RDF to determine the direction of the signal (as discussed). They could even extrapolate the approximate distance by measuring signal strength at a couple different distances in the direction of propagation. However, it would easier just to triangulate the location based on using a several different RDF readings from different directions.

2. Capture and analyze the 1.6gHz signal. Closer examination of the waveform would reveal whether it is an AM signal, an FM signal, or a digital data signal. This would provide clues as to its purpose.

3. A decent spectrum analyzer would also be able to capture the exact frequency. Once you have this it is a simple matter to look up the licensee for that particular frequency in the FCC database. This particular area of the spectrum is not an unlicensed one, so whomever is the owner of the transmitter would have to be licensed to broadcast on this frequency.

4. Once the owner is known, well, maybe go talk to them and ask them what the purpose of the broadcast is! (ya' think?)

These four simple steps would end, once and for all, any and all mystery behind the 'mysterious' 1.6gHz RF signal.

Next!

Ahhh, but what fun would there be in that, right? But, but, but...then there would be no Season 6!

Some tools (not all) used on the show for the 1.6Ghz signal



RF Explorer and Airspy have there own websites with product, spec’s, operation.

Portapack is produced generically in China ….mfg unknown. This product is branded under different names.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

Just basic (bargain level actually) spectrum analyzer stuff really. Mostly SDR, which is about as low as you can go on the quality scale. Certainly not something I would be allowed to even bring onto a jobsite in aviation.

Looks cool, and appears to be doing complicated stuff, but that's about it. Not doing any hardcore spectrum analysis.

This is a real spectrum analyzer... (and they're about $80,000 to $100,000 each).

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

When it comes to their equipment ….It would be nice if they did a quasi in depth sidebar episode 1/2 hour ‘show and tell’ on the equipment they use …even those pieces of equipment that have not been shown on-screen. This way….when they throw around basic equipment technical vocabulary…..viewers might have a rudimentary understanding of what they are using.

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