will it happen

are predictions a good thing? imo i dont think so, everyone has one and theyre always wrong but thats ok theyll just go on and predict something else, as for the ufo topic this gets people in a frenzy thinking something big is about to happen but nope, the same poop different day, some of us have been researching and investigating the ufos for decades, i personally been doing it for 37 years, we use to believe they were all flying saucers from other planets in outer space and theyre coming to either to visit or fight us, we also thought they were traveling round trip from wherever they come from, boy those were the good ol days, come to find out they were already here, in our oceans, underground, etc., and theres more than one species and one of them maybe our gods or creators?, i mean talk about whose your daddy, and saucers is the og ride, we now know they got tic tacs, triangle, pyramids, cigaros, etc., it seems like only yesterday ill tell ya, now we also got metal orbs flying all over the place, all this been happening over 75 years or so and were just now figuring this part out but havent figured out who has produced these things, where are they from, what do they want?, what can we learn from them? etc., i have a sneaky suspicion there are a small number of people who know the truth, maybe not all the truth but more than we ufo people have uncovered over the decades thats for sure

lets play the what if game yay, what if there is a crash retrievel progarm? a biological entity program? an alien technology exploitation program? should the human race be allowed to know it? not the things we can use for our defense but just the acknowledgement that we recovered and have in our possesion technology created and developed by non human lifeforms, is this ok to know? is it dangerous to know? i personally dont know but id sure help put things on our planet into perspective, it would help end the speculation, predictions, hair pulling etc., and boy that would be glorious, then we could finally say there now where should we go from here, what policies should we put in place for any further contact or communication with these beings, i am not one for leaks especially plans and military and agents that protect the us but i am for leaks pertaining to crimes and criminality and wrong doing and if people are trying to keep the truth of an nhi presence on earth, i believe the nhi presence and technology belong to the world and not in the hands of a select few and especially with no oversight, i mean who knows what these few people are doing in our name and on our behalf, im hoping more people come out publicly somehow someway to give their testimony to the rest of us, tell us the programs names, locations, the types of technology, what we learned from it, what we learned about the bodies, etc., i mean there has to be something interesting about it all, dontcha think? and so the point im trying to make cant we all just get along, just spill the dam beans already, weve been playing this dumb game forever and to be honest its getting annoying

anyway anybody else sick and tired of playing this game, i heard from a source, its bts, its flares, its boca raton, its swamp gas, im predicting, i know people, pull your hair, pull my finger, pop my cherrys, i mean isnt it enough, its torture at this point? discuss down below please

I'm 58 and I don't expect to hear "The Truth" in my lifetime. They've hidden this for so long and I don't see them coming clean in the future.
The ONLY way we'll ever know, is if a craft lands and we see aliens on National TV come out and try to communicate with people. Something they can't hide, coverup or spread disinfo about. I'll give them credit, they have said they don't know what it is or where it came from, which is at least a glance toward the truth, but they know far more than they're letting on.

What's to tell when they don't understand the phenomenon?

a reply to: saskwatch

"An ant has no quarrel with a boot." - MCU Loki.

Add that line and my anecdotal "Aliens & UFOs" experiences to your frustration, squatchy dude, as I lol in humanoid. Lol

All questions we seek answers to are the adventure. You can retire from exploring when you're dead!
And, I hear there's more to do on the 0ther Side than here. So hah! Haha. Sigh... Rolls d20.

Big club. Ain't in it. Unless you're jiggy with the CE5 bunch, or Galactic Federation, or you 'port or astronaut farmer it off-planet and see for yourself. Heck your handle is "saskwatch". You're okay with the elusiveness of cryptids of any sort. WAIT. I just remembered something you may have already sought...

Asking your local Native Elder(s) to introduce you to one. Sasquatch or the "space brothers" or whomever.

Here's my bit:

Tobit 13:6, "See then what he hath done with us, and with fear and trembling give ye glory to him: and extol the eternal King of worlds in your works."

Worlds, plural. That's just another example of my peace with things beyond current earthling events and my part in it. Just FYI, it's also yours. I hope you get the gist of my lingo.

To wookies!

Try some personal experience with the woo...

I tried S. Colorado in the San Luis valley for a few years investigating people, places and things.

Something is going on but with our limited cognitive ability and awareness....we couldn't understand "disclosure" even if they told us.

See those people walking around with little tubes sticking in their ears....don't trust em!!!

originally posted by: Soloprotocol
What's to tell when they don't understand the phenomenon?

My 0.02 credits.

I have been reading about "Flying saucers" since the 1960's. The only sure thing is that there is something going on we do not understand and that makes us "see things". Mind you, it's not just imagination: It has a real physical component too, as various tracks, footprints and indentations prove. The "things" we see more or less match our expectations: in the 1950 we expected and saw mostly saucers, flying hubcaps, flying milk can lids and cigar shaped ships that still adhered to the laws of physics. Later we changed our expectations to see plasma ships, that seemingly defy the laws of nature. Initially we saw tall blond Venusians (some pretty ladies too), now all we see is ugly greys. I liked the old days better

We tend to go around in circles, indeed. We are currently all up in the air (ahem) because the US Government "finally" says that there are things zipping around we don't understand. Funny thing is that this was already admitted by the very same government in the 1950's. "Ah, yes, but now we have video's" - well, guess what, a 1950s documentary, supported by the US DoD, already included 8mm film, from two different sources, showing similar flying orbs. The tic-tac is essentially nothing else: just a blob, flying around. Nothing new, so indeed in 70 years we haven't come much farther.

Of course, it is tempting to speculate. Humans don't like it much when they can't explain something and so they make up an explanation. And by proving it by what matches and ignoring what does not, some come up with an explanation they believe in. Not necessarily with the correct one..

Well, it would be swell if we finally had a better understanding of the phenomenon (or perhaps phenomena). But the old adagium also applies: it is not the destination that matters, but the journey. Personally I find it very exciting that there may be things that are literally over our heads. We probably never will understand what is going on. But I sure had (and still have) a lot of fun speculating, theorizing and researching.

originally posted by: ForteanOrg

Well, it would be swell if we finally had a better understanding of the phenomenon (or perhaps phenomena). But the old adagium also applies: it is not the destination that matters, but the journey. Personally I find it very exciting that there may be things that are literally over our heads. We probably never will understand what is going on. But I sure had (and still have) a lot of fun speculating, theorizing and researching.

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I was going to type an elaborate response to the OP but then I read your entire response and I couldn't have worded it better; you managed to summarize my exact train of thought in this area of phenomenology all in one fine response.

Regarding the above quoted snippet: although there are many tricky human-sourced "problems" (advanced aerospace vehicles, unconventional technology, mind control tech, etc) clouding up the ufology horizon, there are many more things happening that defy "traditional" explanation let alone understanding at this point, and as you said, some of this may never be fully understood by mankind.

I think the truth will only come if and when aliens decide to reveal themselves to the general populous. I can only really see them doing that if they are not too far advanced from us, which would likely mean they live in reasonable proximity. Travelling from far greater distances, even inter galactic, would likely suggest far more advanced alien beings and likely no longer truly biological or even close. I cannot see such beings having even the slightest interest in us or our planet.

I think, personally, the visitors we see here are not really visitors at all. Most likely they have been here all along or came here from close by long ago. Until something real happens we won’t know, and even then most won’t believe it.

a reply to: saskwatch

i believe the nhi presence and technology belong to the world and not in the hands of a select few and especially with no oversight

What if the 'select few' are the aliens? Like, say lizard people from the Illuminati blood line?

a reply to: saskwatch

i use to believe in aliens but the more i have studied it and the chances they could even find us in the vastness of space is pretty slim. i think most sightings are from grifters looking to make a buck or become semi-famous and the rest are possibly governmnet agents pushing project blue beam kind of stuff. except the goal isn't to fake the 2nd coming of jesus, just fake an alien landing or interaction of some sort and then play on that further. once the populace is completely convinced we are interacting with aliens that's just one more lie they will have successfully pulled off and can use to manipulate us.

and as always when and if it does happen, the aliens wont just land in a farmers field somewhere, they will land on some restricted base where no one can go to verify anything and will conveniently only communicate with government personnel.

*eye roll*

originally posted by: ncsky
a reply to: saskwatch

and as always when and if it does happen, the aliens wont just land in a farmers field somewhere, they will land on some restricted base where no one can go to verify anything and will conveniently only communicate with government personnel.

Communication! The Magic Words..

If we would hear that we have established communication channels with aliens, that in itself would almost certainly be an indication of a false flag operation. Because, either they ARE human (or closely related) or they are far more advanced than we are and the gap is simply to big to close.

Communication is a complex and multifaceted process influenced by various factors, including cultural, developmental, and technological aspects. Effective communication can be achieved through efforts such as intercultural understanding, empathy, and learning effective communication skills.

Now, try that on a spider!

When was the last time you had a conversation with a spider? I do not mean the initial screaming or your muttering when you remove the octoped from your premises, but some type of conversation, in which you and the spider exchange knowledge? Ever tried to WhatsApp your spider?

These "aliens" may bombard us with their attempts at communication - and we do not even know it. They may well use the simplest communication form they can imagine, but well beyond our facilities let alone understanding. So, communication with a far more advanced civilisation? Limited to a mililtary facility? I would be very suspicious.

Looks like a very diverse and complex picture of just what exactly is going on with this unexplained stuff. A Universe full of possibilities. Lots of different things growing, evolving, changing and dying all over the place.

'There is life Jim, but not as we know it.'

For anyone too see if they are made of the right stuff, coming to grips with Dream Land is a start. If you cannot handle it there, what chance do you have where a near endless decent into nothingness is a good odds on bet.

I always come back to the conclusion that it’s due to fuel scarcity.

Say we have a recovered UFO(s), can make them operate, but we have enough “fuel” to power it for 7 days. We don’t have more fuel, we don’t know how to get or make it, and the “aliens” won’t tell us anything about it.

Who gets to decide when or how that fuel is used?

Whoever gets to decide now, definitely does not want a billion other hands in the jar making that decision.

What if powering it for 30 seconds could provide enough clean energy to power the entire world for a year? How do you tell the public that instead of providing that clean energy we decided to use it for defense/military purposes?

Lots of questions they don’t want to answer. Lots of opinions they don’t want to hear.

It isn't a one off event, it's a process that is happening as we speak.