Bending Light + Building a time machine

U make me laugh Cutwolf. So quick to judge and stamp on. For a website on denying ignorance you are very quick to poke fun. give me chance to explain and you might learn something.

plus my age, is meaningless. I dont need criticism before i've even got off my chair.

I think by stating that you're full of # I am denying ignorance to the fullest extent.

Originally posted by Motile
In order to create a black hole you will need to colapse a star ten times the size of Sol

I believe the actual number is about 8 times or so.

you cant actualy bend light, you can only bend the space the light is traveling through

I don't know why nobody has said this yet but it's really, really, really easy to bend light.
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I just did it. Albiet not much to speak of.

Any body with mass bends spacetime to a degree, and thus exerts SOME negligible change upon the path of light.

ok let me just say, IM NOT TRYING TO MAKE YOU BELIEVE ME

absolutely by all means shunn my idea

like i said before i have finished the design. i am going to build it.

i am only trying to ask people for information on where to get certain things ok! since this is where most people on the web, interested in these kind of things gather i am asking here

Can't you bend light with an electromagnetic coil? You'd need a massive one, akin to a particle accelerator, but I think that'll do it.

Shadow, I'm the same age as you and I'd love to see the science side of the machine you keep talking about. If you insist on using liquid nitrogen or another chemical explosion, you'll need several square miles of very very deserted land. I hope you live in a desert.

And the others are right. With the US's current mindset you'll have a hell of a time acquiring it in large quantities.

I would think a several hundred megaton hydrogen bomb would be needed to achieve the "bending". I would shoot for a less "brute force" approach, which comes back to the electromagnetic coil.

BTW, this site sees its share of cranks and nutters, and without hard science to back you up almost everyone will write you off as another disillusioned weirdo, denying ignorance notwithstanding.

NMS

THANKYOU Amorymeltzer

some constructive input finally

yes i know. but i am attempting to find and alternate means (otha than near infinate mass) to SIGNIFICANTLY an ABNORMALLY BEND LIGHT

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A few of the ways stated are pretty good, using other materials besides a vacuum as a medium. Temperature, too, can make a difference. You could absorb the light and re-emit it, or use mirrors (fancy mirrors).

For the most part, you need a heavy heavy mass to bend light. Electromagnetic coil? I don't what you mean, care to elaborate?

"NothingMakesSense" yea. most dissolutioned weirdos come in and shove their ideas down your throat, insisting that they work etc etc. all they end up doing is offending everyone.

Please i dont mean to offend. i am merely conducting an experiment. nothing more, nothing less.

And o the liquid nitrogen isnt for the explosion. yes i mentioned an explosion but the nitrogen is for cooling a separate part of the device. k?

Not ENTIRELY accurate about the partical accelerator. they can propel electrons, photons etc.

and can you elaborate on the special mirrors Amorymeltzer?

[edit on 9-4-2005 by Shadow88]

Shadow - Try using one post for all your points, saves useless space. You can edit the first one and delete the second.

My 'special' mirrors are just refined mirrors. Mirrors that reflect the vast majority of the light that they receive and would reflect it almost exactly at a 90 degree angle.

ooo rite thanks for the tip as well

Ok heres a question for you.

how would one make an object oscillate at the speed of:

light?

sound?

All these questions ive been asking, however random they may seem are actually neccesary if i want to prove my hypothesises.

Check with your local gas supplier for the liquid nitrogen, not the propane gas supplier but the ones who sell oxygen, nitrogen, helium etc, in tanks.
Look under gas-industrial and medical in your phone book.

As for the oscillating an object part, can't help ya there.

Next time you jump from explosions to cooling liquids, give us some warning so that kind of misinterpretation doesn't happen again.

OK. About my statment concerning a particle accelerator. You said it yourself, they accelerate protons, neutrons, etc. Know what shape they're in? A circle (most of 'em.) That means that those little itty bitty particles are being moved in a circle by a series of really big electromagnets. I don't know if that kind of bending is what you need. It wouldn't have to be one particle at a time, but you would need a vacuum, although depending on your design that might be less necessary.

Liquid nitrogen requires a license to handle it in most states I believe. I don't know what the requirements are for obtaining a license.

Speed of sound oscillation: Get a cylinder. Fill it with air. Put a sensor and a "thumping" diaphram on each end. I'm assuming this is to help some sort of timing? If that's the case, you could use one sensor and have a miroprocessor divide the time between air impacts by 2. The 2 diaphrams punch the air back and forth.

NMS

[edit on 4/9/05 by NothingMakesSense]

How about you post your design and perhaps we could be of more help/identify problems in it?

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Bend or refract light?

Very strong gravity field would smoothly bow it.

prism refracts light [sharp angle, sorts wavelengths]

mirror reflects all light at corresponding input/output angle.

To get a mass/object to move/oscillate at the speed of light would take almost infinite energy.

electrons in Earth's lightning are sometimes accelerated to near the speed of light, emitting gamma radiation.
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Liquid nitrogen requires a license to handle it in most states I believe. I don't know what the requirements are for obtaining a license.

I can't find anything about needing a license to buy liquid nitrogen. Maybe a HAZMAT endorsement on a CDL to transport tankers of it.


You can check at you local welding supply shop also to see if they carry it.
From what I can find on the net, check your local university they sometimes will sell it at their cost, since they buy in bulk its alot cheaper.


[edit on 9/4/05 by Skibum]

[edit on 9-4-2005 by Red Golem]

Originally posted by djohnsto77
How do you create an explosion with liquid nitrogen?

I guess he means Liquid Nitro, dynamite sweat ...

Liquid Nitrogen itself can be freely bought everywhere.

When I go on an overclocking frenzy, Dry Ice and Liquid Nitrogen are my best friends

[edit on 9-4-2005 by thematrix]

OK im going to say this one last time you can NOT BEND LIGHT, it is a stream of particles, its like saying how do I bend sand? YOU CANT, you can only bend the path the light is taking, you have to warp space, as far as thelight is concerned nothing happens, its still going in a line. There are ways to do this on a micro scale (its easy actualy, not much use though) but to do it on a macro scale so you could fold space or travel through time you would need an astronomical amount of power.

It takes a star that is 10 times the size of sol ( www.astronomytoday.com... ) to have enough mass to create a black hole, to generate that in a lab is one thing but to contain it is another.

[edit on 9-4-2005 by Motile]