Is it me, or does Zelensky seem like a TV evangelist.

originally posted by: JumpTheGun76

originally posted by: Dalamax
If Hitler had stopped at Poland He would have remained the darling of the European aristocracy.

a reply to: JumpTheGun76

But he did not stop at Poland didn't he!

My point is that if Putin was Hitler and he just stopped at Ukraine, then Europe would have given him a pass and kept him as time magazine man of the year or whatever.

You saying he didn’t is reinforcing my point. Europe actually gave Hitler more leeway, with his racist and master race rhetoric, then they give Putin.

I suppose Germany went into Poland coming to the rescue of Germans who were being mistreated so the parallels are there. I guess.

had a “corridor” of land that lead to the sea which essentially cut straight through Germany. Germany was cut off from East Prussia and relatives left stranded on either side while in the meantime Poland enjoyed its new connection to the sea alongside the trade and resources

www.whycenter.com...

a reply to: Dalamax

If Hitler had stopped at Poland He would have remained the darling of the European aristocracy.

Err, that's not correct.

First there was the Anschluss that incorporated Austria into The Third Reich.
This was quickly followed by Hitler's takeover of Sudetenland and The Munich Agreement fiasco.
Hitler soon controlled the whole of Czechoslovakia.

All met with feeble Appeasement and as such fuelled Hitler's hunger for further land grabs.

Next in line was Poland.
Hitler believed this would be met with further Appeasement but Poland turned out to be the UK's and France's line in the sand.
We all know how the rest played out.

The most obvious lesson that should be learnt from all this is that Appeasement does not work.

Which is why in my opinion supporting Ukraine in its fight against Russian invasion is the correct course of action.
If Putin's invasion had been successful in taking control of the whole of Ukraine it would only have been a matter of time before his thirst for power, control and 'glory' would have resulted in another land grab.
Regardless of the final outcome in Ukraine that is highly unlikely to happen now.

originally posted by: Dalamax
I suppose Germany went into Poland coming to the rescue of Germans who were being mistreated so the parallels are there. I guess.

You do realise that two weeks after the Germans invaded Poland on 1st Sept 1939, the Russians also invaded Poland as part of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact that divided Eastern Europe between Stalin and Hitler?

I point this out because Germany was not the only country invading and destroying. It's just that Germany has been weaned off its violent nature, but Russia has not.

NO! Zelenski is worse than a TV evangelist because people are actually dying for him. He has turned himself into a world superman. Travelling the World showing his hard stance to Russian Aggression and "GIVE ME MORE MONEY AND WEAPONS".

would you say Putin is motivated by the same things that motivated Hitler?

a reply to: Freeborn

So your suggesting that Putin should have split Ukraine with NATO?

a reply to: paraphi

originally posted by: Dalamax
So your suggesting that Putin should have split Ukraine with NATO?

Nope. I am pointing out that Russia has form in invading Poland.

The factor that links the two events is Russia wanting to maintain a buffer zone between it and Europe.

Not Russia wanting to expand and conquer Europe.

a reply to: paraphi

a reply to: Dalamax

would you say Putin is motivated by the same things that motivated Hitler?

Personally, I think there are some striking similarities between Putin's actions and Hitler's.
But of course there are some motivations that are unique to both of them.

originally posted by: Dalamax
The factor that links the two events is Russia wanting to maintain a buffer zone between it and Europe.

Russia's buffer zone is a contrived excuse. A poverty grievance.

What Russia wants is neighbours who they control, not countries who become more prosperous and better places to live, and that show the Russian government up to be corrupt and autocratic. Besides, Russia has already lost the encroachment of democratic neighbours, such as with the Baltic States, all of whom are now more prosperous than their big neighbour, Russia.

Russia need to accept the world is no longer 1795. Invading a neighbour to take land, ethnically cleanse and eradicate a sovereign identity just exposes the weakness of the Russian mindset.

You would hope the buffer zone is a planned reason, to keep the wolves from the door so to speak.

It is the result of statesmanship after all.

a reply to: paraphi

originally posted by: Dalamax
You would hope the buffer zone is a planned reason, to keep the wolves from the door so to speak.

It is the result of statesmanship after all

I don't know what you mean. The Russians have failed at any form of statesmanship, as they have brought war to Ukraine. Russia seem incapable of having friendly relations with anyone. Is it a wonder than no one want to be friends with them?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Dalamax
You would hope the buffer zone is a planned reason, to keep the wolves from the door so to speak.

It is the result of statesmanship after all

I don't know what you mean. The Russians have failed at any form of statesmanship, as they have brought war to Ukraine. Russia seem incapable of having friendly relations with anyone. Is it a wonder than no one want to be friends with them?

Most of Africa, Middle East, India, China, N-Korea (basically my bet is all country's under (heavy) US sanctions (29% of world economy) just out the top of my head, I'm sure the list is way longer.
The US is way more warmongering then Russia for sure... the US getting less and less (true) friends and for sure is the most hated country on this planet.

Another youtuber on the kill list, of course our controlled media would never report on US citizen/journalists being on this Ukrainian kill list!

originally posted by: Pluginn
The US is way more warmongering then Russia for sure...

And yet, Russia is starting the wars. Your logic is wrong, my little chicken friend.

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Pluginn
The US is way more warmongering then Russia for sure...

And yet, Russia is starting the wars. Your logic is wrong, my little chicken friend.

Is starting the wars. You hyperbole much?

originally posted by: paraphi

originally posted by: Pluginn
The US is way more warmongering then Russia for sure...

And yet, Russia is starting the wars. Your logic is wrong, my little chicken friend.

No the CIA Knew exactly what Putin would do with overthrowing a government in Ukraine making it pro West and where Victoria Nuland deciding who would be in the new government in Ukraine! (so Ukraine is CORRUPT by USA/CIA/MONEY). It's not hard believing the US sought conflict with Russia over Ukraine since it did everything with her actions which where against Russia and where the US can sell more weapons and make Russia and Europe weak.
Same with China and Taiwan, where they want tenstions being raised and because of this China may takes action. Which is just good for the US, and the US will bomb those chips factory in Taiwan if China would take action.... All good business and having control over chips industry and make CHINA weak but I told before...

Leaked document from CIA via Wikileaks, 2008 February 1, 14:25:
wikileaks

Ukraine's intent to seek a NATO Membership Action Plan (MAP)
at the Bucharest summit (ref A), Foreign Minister Lavrov and
other senior officials have reiterated strong opposition,
stressing that Russia would view further eastward expansion
as a potential military threat. NATO enlargement,
particularly to Ukraine, remains "an emotional and neuralgic"
issue for Russia, but strategic policy considerations also
underlie strong opposition to NATO membership for Ukraine and
Georgia. In Ukraine, these include fears that the issue
could potentially split the country in two, leading to
violence or even, some claim, civil war, which would force
Russia to decide whether to intervene. Additionally, the GOR
and experts continue to claim that Ukrainian NATO membership
would have a major impact on Russia's defense industry,
Russian-Ukrainian family connections, and bilateral relations
generally. In Georgia, the GOR fears continued instability
and "provocative acts" in the separatist regions. End
summary.

Also the US starts wars many many times based on lies, but I don't have to explain that??

a reply to: Pluginn

Difference is that this is a war to conquer and annex another country.

Based on lies.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Pluginn

Difference is that this is a war to conquer and annex another country.

Based on lies.

No just some pro Russian regions, they where where careful trying not hurting civilians (of course it happens with wars though). Though it's hard to predict the future, what Russia is gonna do now...

Lets say Texas became it's own country where Russia would overthrow the government after and deciding who would be in the new government and where this government is big time ANTI-USA there. And putting there tons of weapons? And maybe in the future even Nuclear weapons inside? And lets say Russia, China and Europe and some other country's belonged to an Alliance called NATO put in place against the USA (Nato was put in place against Russia and keeping Germany in check after ww2), where Texas also could be a member from in the future ( and where Texas wants to join!) ?
Of course the US would intervene then.

a reply to: Pluginn

"No just some pro Russian regions, they where where careful trying not hurting civilians (of course it happens with wars though). Though it's hard to predict the future, what Russia is gonna do now..."

Then why are they attacking cities all over Ukraine, and targeting civilians?

Well, if all that were to happen in Texas (bit of a stretch, to put it mildly) I expect the US may well be peeved.

But that's just bonkers and is nothing like what is happening in Ukraine.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Pluginn

"No just some pro Russian regions, they where where careful trying not hurting civilians (of course it happens with wars though). Though it's hard to predict the future, what Russia is gonna do now..."

Then why are they attacking cities all over Ukraine, and targeting civilians?

Well, if all that were to happen in Texas (bit of a stretch, to put it mildly) I expect the US may well be peeved.

But that's just bonkers and is nothing like what is happening in Ukraine.

Uhmm those cities are mostly without civilians (most of them went to Europe (except of course young males), they never targeted civilians just because they where civilians.

It is, Ukraine was part of Russia, most of people speak Russia in Ukraine, zelensky speaks better Russian then Ukraine (but is almost same then Russian language). Texas I just gave as an example, there was some talk in Texas that they want become it's own country and even just recently!:
www.newsweek.com...