The end of Ukraine aid is rapidly approaching. Reupping it won’t be easy

a reply to: vNex92

Like Putin's so called "unstoppable" hypersonic game changer missiles?

Patriots just took one out.

How embarrassing, eh?

Yep. Your game has just been changed.

Have some attack drones.

You're welcome.

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Quadrivium

" I am not saying we shouldn't help, but the rest of the world should help more."

Hmm... Is that You Donald ? ..............*)

No, just a concerned tax payer.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: UpThenDown

"Its clear that you want the American hegemony to win in Ukraine after the failures in Syria and Afghanistan

You failed in Afghanistan.

I certainly don't want the old Soviet hegemony back in Eastern Europe.

Not do their old Soviet ruled States, either?

originally posted by: vNex92
dont worry i am sure they will find way to give a billions and billions more to Ukraine and to zelensky.

With already confirmation of 31 Abrams tanks to Germany for training of the Ukrainian military. I am sure they will always find way to give billions each month to Ukraine.

More than to the infrastructure or broken health care system.


The end of Ukraine aid is rapidly approaching. Reupping it won’t be easy


Keeping the money flowing
More for Ukraine's govt but none for you.

The levels of aid currently being given to Ukraine will drop fairly soon. Once they’ve smashed Russia back to its borders they won’t need as much. Unfortunately the Russian army is not efficient, motivated or equipped. They are going to get smashed.

Likewise the UK gives no fooks about what Putin says. He’s a wibdbag busy presiding over the destruction of the thing he’s supposed to hold dear. At this stage I wonder if he’s a double agent.

a reply to: vNex92

So you're pro war... Imagine if we Americans said its necissary for America to conintue its wars and conflicts to ensure a stable economy.

At the end of the day you're supporting a war that is not for defense, but to increase economic prosperity. In other words, people are dying and having their homes destroyed for the benifit of one's country.

Not very moral.

a reply to: Turquosie

Just putting this out here.

I'm sure that posters on here are not involved with this and don't suggest for one moment that they might be.

But, it is a thing.

It may be relevant, might not be.

Just saying:

www.rferl.org...

Any thoughts, ATS?

I heard Sunak say today that we are going to train Ukranian civilians to fly fighter jets...... does he know how much and how long the training is to become a fighter pilot from civilian status, even for NATO standard planes???
Oh, but we still haven't decided which fighter planes or even if we will. There was a report back in February that the UK would supply Eastern European NATO countries with the latest Typhoons and F-35 so said NATO countries could release their Soviet era fighter planes to the Ukraine. With the proviso that neither Ukraine or NATO allies use any of the jets over the Russian border.
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: angelchemuel

Civilians?

Source for that?

It's not happening.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I don't doubt it. Russia has their propaganda in full swing. At least western media has many options that you can compare and contrast. Plenty of alt-media showcasing problems with western intervention in Ukraine. Whereas Russia has a much more tightly controlled media.

a reply to: angelchemuel

This is what most folk have heard. Doesn't mention civilian pilots. Which is bs:

BBC News - Fighter jets for Ukraine: The challenges of giving warplanes to Kyiv
www.bbc.co.uk...

Rainbows?

a reply to: angelchemuel

He did not say that.

Why lie?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2
Yes he did, I heard him say it the second time they played it on the news.
I've looked and I can only find edited clips.
Getting back to the rest of my post, leaving out the civilian bit, the training for a fighter pilot to fly an F-16 which the Ukrain has chosen as their 'fighter plane of choice' takes 9 months training. The Americans have already said they will not supply the Ukraine with F-16 besides they say it would take a minimum of 18 months of training and delivery.

The U.S., however, has ruled out sending F-16 jets to Ukraine for now, and U.S. officials have estimated the most expeditious time needed for training and delivery at 18 months.

Link
So, the Americans are saying they wont (currently) supply Ukraine with F-16, we don't have any to give anyhow, that just leaves the remaining NATO countries to create a 'coalition' of NATO countries to supply the jets..... earliest they will have F-16 fighter pilots ready will be 9 months time if trained by us...... First problem, they have 9 months to get a 'coalition' of F-16 planes and second, in 9 months it will be getting well into their winter and they will have missed the so called 'spring offensive' we are being told the Russian's are going to mount any day now.
So, quite simple really, cart before horse, we'll train the pilots to F-16 standard, but we might, or might not have got another bunch of countries to agree to give you the planes we will have trained your pilots to fly in 9 months time.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: UpThenDown

war is both expensive and pointless

For the Russian people its about their survival as a state a
and civilization.

This war is pointless for Americans and British public who do not understand the east.

True. We don't understand each other.

We don't understand how someone can openly support war crimes, crimes against humanity, forced relocation of all victims including innocent children; incessant bombing on civilian targets, such as hospitals and libraries; rapes of women and children alike and summary executions of civilans. We don't understand this. It's completely, utterly and inexcusably evil, and I personally don't understand how someone can consciously support such evil and make apologies for it.

On the other hand, you - the East as you say - don't understand that we have fought world wars before. And we will do so again if evil rises up again. We will do this because if we don't, all the lives given before us in pursuit of freedoms will mean nothing. You don't fight against aggression and tyranny for decades or centuries and then just stop.

If you for one millisecond believe the world won't rise up again in the face of tyranny and fascism, then you are deeply delusional, comrade.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

" Unfortunately for you, wind powered electricity generation here is overtaking gas."


OK Mr. Derailer of Threads , I Did Not Mention Fossil Fuel " Natural Gas " Explicitly , but Fossil Fuels in General which Includes Gasoline by the way . Of Course you could Also Include CLEAN BURNING Coal in that category to if " Cherry Picking " is Your Particular Obsession which Excludes it . The Point being , I just Have to Call You Out on that Outrageous CLAIM that " wind powered electricity generation here is overtaking gas." Show me the Data , or Retract that Claim OLDharpy ! .........

a reply to: angelchemuel

9 months is a short time, I don't see any problem with that

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: UpThenDown

For the Russian people its about their survival as a state a
and civilization.

If Russia can't stand as a civilization without leaning on Ukraine and America, then it should fall. Not like it hasn't happened before, lol. So it's not the end of the world. "If it can be destroyed by the truth, it deserves to be destroyed by the truth."

It's time to stop treating them like children. Maybe they need to hit rock bottom to work up the courage to rebel against their masters again.

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Quadrivium

" I am not saying we shouldn't help, but the rest of the world should help more."

Hmm... Is that You Donald ? ..............*)

No, just a concerned tax payer.

Yes , with an Obvious Logical Mindset . Sorry Mr. President

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit

originally posted by: Quadrivium

originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Quadrivium

" I am not saying we shouldn't help, but the rest of the world should help more."

Hmm... Is that You Donald ? ..............*)

No, just a concerned tax payer.

Yes , with an Obvious Logical Mindset . Sorry Mr. President

Logical?
What the hell is "logical" about any of the crap happening currently?
It's a damn clown world.

You don't think US Citizens should be concerned about how their government supports everyone but them?
As I said, 🤡 🌎.

a reply to: Quadrivium

LOL , You do not Know me here on ATS then Very Well . I Exude Logic .


" You don't think US Citizens should be concerned about how their government supports everyone but them? "


I Dunno , What do You Think I Think ?


Visit My " WALL " , that Might Give you a Hint........*)