Significant rise in excess deaths in the UK. What are the causes?

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tracking COVID-19 Excess Deaths - The Economist

Interesting that New Zealand, which had a fairly strict and rapid response to COVID-19, had 4 excess deaths per 100k people over the two year period, and that didn't really rise as vaccinations were rolled out.

Most other countries had a significant rise in the excess deaths since the beginning of 2022 until now. And in particular most of these deaths were non Covid related.

I don't know where you got the statistics about New Zealand. Something important to consider is the demographics and population as well as the fact that New Zealand is an island and an isolated area. Epidemics can be managed better and responses can be better especially when you have areas with low density populations.

However that doesn't stop the spread of the virus. Lockdowns and vaccinations didn't have much impact on the spread which is still going on as the virus circulates among the population. You need to have a closer look at the excess deaths as this could be seen in the future.

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tracking COVID-19 Excess Deaths - The Economist

Interesting that New Zealand, which had a fairly strict and rapid response to COVID-19, had 4 excess deaths per 100k people over the two year period, and that didn't really rise as vaccinations were rolled out.

You closed your tiny island. Congrats.

Did the infections stop after vaccination, since they were still going after lockdowns?

Did it stop getting transmitted?

Did lockdowns prevent people from ever being exposed?

Explain to us what caused this miracle in NZ when the rest of the highly vaccinated world is seeing excess deaths ranging from 15-40% over expectations largely in people that were at almost no risk from COVID. What part of the response, which has not halted the spread or prevented it from becoming endemic, was the magic bullet for NZ?

Why do you think slowing or halting a disease that is now endemic and globally present was a success?

It was a gross failure and a waste of resources. The oceans and landfills are now that much more full with masks that did nothing. The poorest in the world are suffering because of the loss of capital and shipping disruptions. Many of the countries that didn't vaccinate escape the much higher reported death rates for COVID in the "1st world".

It was a gross failure. Even if COVID was a real crisis it would have failed, because none of the methods used had any evidence of working with any significant success. Not the masks, not the distancing, not the pseudo-lockdowns, not the authoritarian police state, and not the junk vaccines.

COVID is endemic to NZ now and nearly everybody has been exposed. People that choose to continue using immune suppressing therapy will continue to be at higher risk of future infection and will continue to have an increased risk of death compared to their unvaccinated peers. This is just how it is, it's already in the data.

Congrats again. Huge success. Let's hope there are no long term consequences yet to be discovered, but the track record on them being honest to you isn't great. I'm sure the government would never put industry and their personal agendas ahead of citizens though. Fingers crossed.

originally posted by: Ksihkehe

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Tracking COVID-19 Excess Deaths - The Economist

Interesting that New Zealand, which had a fairly strict and rapid response to COVID-19, had 4 excess deaths per 100k people over the two year period, and that didn't really rise as vaccinations were rolled out.

You closed your tiny island. Congrats.

There are actually about 600 islands that are part of the realm of New Zealand.

Measuring from the Northern tip of the North Island of New Zealand to its South Island's Southern tip, it is nearly the same size the USA is from North to South.

Did the infections stop after vaccination, since they were still going after lockdowns?

They completely stopped after each of the first two lockdowns, and we had months where there were no further cases at all in the general community (there were some international travellers who had to be quarantined).

Did it stop getting transmitted?

Yes. It stopped. There were people getting the disease after the outbreak, and then we isolated the outbreak, and then there were no further new infections after those few people got over it.

Did lockdowns prevent people from ever being exposed?

At the time of the lockdowns, they did, of course.

But when more infectious strains got into the country, and local protestors had their super-spreader events, the lockdowns and quarantine could no longer be effective. Of course, we had the vaccines by then. We didn't at the time of the first two successful lockdowns.

Explain to us what caused this miracle in NZ when the rest of the highly vaccinated world is seeing excess deaths ranging from 15-40% over expectations largely in people that were at almost no risk from COVID. What part of the response, which has not halted the spread or prevented it from becoming endemic, was the magic bullet for NZ?

As many pundits pointed out, there were comorbidities in many cases of deaths from COVID-19.

When COVID-19 stopped being put down as primary cause of death, those comorbidities were registered as primary, rather than COVID-19.

That does not mean that COVID-19 was not a cause of death in the instance, but merely that it was not considered to be the primary cause of death. COVID-19 was still contributing to mortality.

Why do you think slowing or halting a disease that is now endemic and globally present was a success?

Because the ravages of the disease in an unvaccinated population just did not happen in New Zealand.

After vaccination, the effects of the virus were markedly diminished.

As a result, New Zealand has not experienced the excess deaths seen in countries which have not dealt with the contagion well.

It was a gross failure and a waste of resources. The oceans and landfills are now that much more full with masks that did nothing. The poorest in the world are suffering because of the loss of capital and shipping disruptions. Many of the countries that didn't vaccinate escape the much higher reported death rates for COVID in the "1st world".

I'm surprised that, with the number of flat out denialists of the disease in those countries, those that refused to mask, sanitize, or lock down, that it has not occurred to you that there is the reason why.

In say, Sub Saharan Africa, there were fewer infections than in other places, but you have to realize that few 1st world 'carriers' holiday there. If you don't get it in the first place, it doesn't spread that much.

I have seen some littering here of discarded masks, but it was nothing compared to the mountains of discarded plastics that such 'tossers' litter the countryside with. They still do, but not with masks anymore.

It was a gross failure. Even if COVID was a real crisis it would have failed, because none of the methods used had any evidence of working with any significant success. Not the masks, not the distancing, not the pseudo-lockdowns, not the authoritarian police state, and not the junk vaccines.

The experience in other countries has not been the same as that in, say, America.

In Italy, they had a massive outbreak and implemented fairly major lockdowns and turned the situation around. As did China, initially.

Also, the governments of New Zealand, Denmark, Australia, South Korea and Germany, for example, did fairly well against the pandemic.

COVID is endemic to NZ now and nearly everybody has been exposed. People that choose to continue using immune suppressing therapy will continue to be at higher risk of future infection and will continue to have an increased risk of death compared to their unvaccinated peers. This is just how it is, it's already in the data.

But we aren't seeing the excess deaths you are claiming, and a larger percentage of New Zealanders are vaccinated than are Americans. If the vaccines were as deadly and the disease so ineffectual, why aren't we seeing the same as where the response to the disease was a hot mess?

Congrats again. Huge success. Let's hope there are no long term consequences yet to be discovered

Sorry, but I think that the opportunity for 'doom porn-ing' it is over now.

but the track record on them being honest to you isn't great.

The large scale failings of your government aren't those of other countries.

I'm sure the government would never put industry and their personal agendas ahead of citizens though. Fingers crossed.

The US government is excessively monetarist. They measure everything in dollar terms, above all else.

Our government is smaller and closer to its people than many other countries. I believe that as a nation, we feel we each have a political voice.

I think that New Zealand has fared through the pandemic fairly well. Especially when compared to some of the loudest voices around us.

a reply to: chr0naut

To suggest that lockdowns and vaccinations had a great impact in halting or significantly reducing the spread of the virus means that you disregard completely the real world and the events of the last 3 years.

The excess deaths since the beginning of 2022 is a global phenomenon that has been observed in most if not all countries that have gone through lockdowns and mass vaccinations.

The examples of US and UK are golf enough with significant populations and significant percentage of populations that are fully vaccinated.

I don't even think you understand what are we talking about.

a reply to: chr0naut

That depends on who you listen too. www.bitchute.com...

Apart from the seemingly obvious there are surely many other reasons. For a start while it may not be covid itself you cannot rule out long covid symptoms. I’ve had them myself and luckily while annoying and sometimes restricting they aren’t that serious. Yes these side effects started before the shot was a thing, so for me at least it is not that.

Also the boomer generation (which I just about fall into) are approaching that period of time when ageing factors catch up with you. Years of smoking, drinking and over eating get their revenge in the end.

Obesity is on the rise, it’s been a problem for a while but mix in those low nutrient foods and insulin sensitivity and you have a prescription for trouble.

I think the rising excess deaths should be getting looked at and maybe secretly they are. But don’t expect too much to be done about it. Governments don’t like paying pension, treating old people as they cost lots of money for what they see as people that aren’t productive any more. Think Boxer in animal farm.

I agree the mRNA shots are dangerous and sometimes deadly. The excess deaths definitely include adverse mRNA shot effects.

The big question is what percentage and it will take a little while to get a solid answer.

But delayed diagnosis/screening is real as well (and was first discussed nearly a year before anyone took mRNA shots at scale).

Some excess deaths are also caused by shut ins experiencing diminished immune systems and high levels of stress from myriad facts — this cohort is difficulty to distinguish from mRNA causes because this cohort has the highest shot uptake.

Delayed diagnosis effect should fade within 3-5 years from the data, at which point the analysis will be more straightforward (mainly because most of the things that are terminal will be terminal in 3-5 years).

People with experience in the public health field also have a supposition that there is an another unknown cause of excess deaths as well, and I tend to agree that something else is also causing excess deaths. What? I have no idea, but the trend lines of the excess deaths do not completely correlate with any of the above factors.

An obvious answer is that the Boomer generation is reaching its peak mortality phase, but if you adjust for age, this cannot be the unknown third factor.

Scrutiny of the data suggests that something around 2015-2018 is also causing excess deaths, but what? It is currently impossible to identify what that additional factor happens to be.

a reply to: v1rtu0s0

a reply to: JohnTitorSociety

Since it is working age people are dying at the most accelerated rate. I do remember a doc saying that this generation may very well die before their parents. Because of the poor diet that they have been involved with. Where the parents still don't have the uptake of the poor diet that the kids have, so that might be a few percentage points as well. These kids have shown how they react to advertising and would be lining up for fast foods as quickly as they lined up for you know what.

Yes, this is definitely a possible additional cause, and it would correlate with the peculiarities of the excess death trendline.

a reply to: anonentity

originally posted by: LordAhriman
Give it a rest. The boomers are dying.

5.5 billion people are vaccinated for covid. Your LARP fails at every possible angle.

Lol says the "I work in big pharma" guy

You and your ilk were LARPing a "global pandemic" for 3 years now. Go and play in traffic summerchild.

originally posted by: incoserv
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Significant rise in excess deaths in the UK. What are the causes?

I can answer that question without saying a word ...

Are you sure?

a reply to: Asmodeus3

www.wsj.com... s2pdvgkfe1&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Same problem in the US.

From the article:

During the first eight weeks of this year, deaths among adults 25 to 44 were running about 25% higher than in 2019, though Covid could account for at most 10% of these “excess deaths.” A Society of Actuaries Research Institute report last November documented similar levels of excess death among young people.

I don't know what's causing these excess deaths. I will say that the phenomenon isn't covered by US Government Media outlets. And I don't know about the UK, but if it isn't reported by CNN/WAPO/NYT in the US, it hasn't happened.

The author does attribute many of the excess deaths to fentanyl use and use of Marijuana as well as a variety of other street drugs.

Then there's this:

The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) counted around 582,000 Americans experiencing homelessness in 2022. That's about 18 per 10,000 people in the US, up about 2,000 people from 2020.

1) I would expect life expectancy of homeless to be shortened and 2) since it's a number generated by the Government Party Agency, HUD, to arrive at the real number you need to double what's reported which means there's well over 1 Million homeless in the US.

So, as to the UK I would ask you this.
1) is Fentanyl and other drugs use in the UK a significant problem?
2) Is there rampant homelessness in the UK?

So deaths are higher amongst people who, generally speaking, were less concerned about getting covid and put themselves at greater risk of exposure?

Yes, covid can kill after initial infection. But I suspect we'll be dealing with increased death rate due to the long term effects of infection (including when non symptomatic) for a long time.

(I had a customer today who was struggling with carrying just a cushion, due to fatigue. Had she had covid, I asked? Yes, a year ago ..... and as a result of long covid she'd had to pack in her job because she could no longer manage physical work ..... I suspect there's a lot of folk out there the same)

But obviously (if your take your tinfoil hat off for a moment), another of the main factors in increased deaths is also the inability of people to see a doctor, or even have routine surgery, for 2 years. So many health issues - including cancers - were not detected in time.

originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: Asmodeus3

www.wsj.com... s2pdvgkfe1&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Same problem in the US.

From the article:

During the first eight weeks of this year, deaths among adults 25 to 44 were running about 25% higher than in 2019, though Covid could account for at most 10% of these “excess deaths.” A Society of Actuaries Research Institute report last November documented similar levels of excess death among young people.

I don't know what's causing these excess deaths. I will say that the phenomenon isn't covered by US Government Media outlets. And I don't know about the UK, but if it isn't reported by CNN/WAPO/NYT in the US, it hasn't happened.

The author does attribute many of the excess deaths to fentanyl use and use of Marijuana as well as a variety of other street drugs.

Then there's this:

The Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) counted around 582,000 Americans experiencing homelessness in 2022. That's about 18 per 10,000 people in the US, up about 2,000 people from 2020.

1) I would expect life expectancy of homeless to be shortened and 2) since it's a number generated by the Government Party Agency, HUD, to arrive at the real number you need to double what's reported which means there's well over 1 Million homeless in the US.

So, as to the UK I would ask you this.
1) is Fentanyl and other drugs use in the UK a significant problem?
2) Is there rampant homelessness in the UK?

I am from the US by the way.
Dr Campbell has commented on the amount of excess deaths in the US on the video and has done it in the past quite a few times.

This is false, excess deaths are spread across the demographic board and have no statistically meaningful lean toward people who did or did not masked, sheltered, took or take mRNA shots.

It’s too early to say anything definitively, but the most accurate statement is that people who took 3+ mRNA shots may be the largest statistical cohort of excess deaths — but it’s still to early to differentiate between it being the mRNA shot uptake rate directly OR that less healthy and older people have the highest mRNA uptake rate and naturally would comprise future excess deaths.

What is definitive is that the past 2 years exhibit an idiosyncratic post-epidemic excess death pattern. Normally, an epidemic or pandemic pulls deaths forward and once it passes the opposite of excess deaths occurs, death rate goes down historically because excess deaths occurred during the event and those individuals are no longer alive to die after the event. This is highly unusual and strongly suggests multiple causes.


reply to: AndyMayhew

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
So deaths are higher amongst people who, generally speaking, were less concerned about getting covid and put themselves at greater risk of exposure?

Yes, covid can kill after initial infection. But I suspect we'll be dealing with increased death rate due to the long term effects of infection (including when non symptomatic) for a long time.

(I had a customer today who was struggling with carrying just a cushion, due to fatigue. Had she had covid, I asked? Yes, a year ago ..... and as a result of long covid she'd had to pack in her job because she could no longer manage physical work ..... I suspect there's a lot of folk out there the same)

But obviously (if your take your tinfoil hat off for a moment), another of the main factors in increased deaths is also the inability of people to see a doctor, or even have routine surgery, for 2 years. So many health issues - including cancers - were not detected in time.

Long covid sounds a lot like a euphemism for being covid vaxxt.

Another reason for excess deaths ....

Delayed health checks among people with diabetes may have contributed to 7,000 more deaths than usual in England last year, a charity report suggests.

The routine checks help cut the risk of serious complications like amputations and heart attacks.

~ ~ ~

There are more than five million people in the UK living with diabetes, but around 1.9 million missed out on routine vital checks in 2021-22, Diabetes UK says.

Disruption to care during the pandemic is likely to be a factor in the current backlog, which may be leading to higher numbers of deaths than usual in people with diabetes, it says.

Between January and March 2023, for example, there were 1,461 excess deaths involving diabetes - three times higher than during the same period last year.

www.bbc.co.uk...

It all adds up ....

originally posted by: AndyMayhew
Another reason for excess deaths ....

Delayed health checks among people with diabetes may have contributed to 7,000 more deaths than usual in England last year, a charity report suggests.

The routine checks help cut the risk of serious complications like amputations and heart attacks.

~ ~ ~

There are more than five million people in the UK living with diabetes, but around 1.9 million missed out on routine vital checks in 2021-22, Diabetes UK says.

Disruption to care during the pandemic is likely to be a factor in the current backlog, which may be leading to higher numbers of deaths than usual in people with diabetes, it says.

Between January and March 2023, for example, there were 1,461 excess deaths involving diabetes - three times higher than during the same period last year.

www.bbc.co.uk...

It all adds up ....

Climate change
Some US Republicans in Tennessee
Cosmic rays

You really can't or don't want to see the elephant in the room.

originally posted by: nugget1
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Dr. Campbell needs to get a Hecklefish like the guy on Why Files. He can get his message out while also touching on opposing views.

I don't know why more YT posters don't follow the WF lead. It would make it a lot harder to ban them, while getting the message out and letting people decide what they want to believe.

yeah, i been binging on him the last few days.

heckelfish is funny, i just noticed he has a tinfoil hat and nice teeth.
i thought it was AJ's hat at first.

he does some good digging.
just watched the carrington event.

can't remember where i heard it but the UK had a 7000 excess deaths from energy prices in the winter. heat or eat.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: chr0naut

That depends on who you listen too. www.bitchute.com...

Yes, it does.

Did you know that, in her first term in office, Ardern had as her deputy prime minister (like your vice President), a right-wing politician, Winston Peters? How positively 'leftist' of her!

That's the problem with right-wing pundits from other countries commenting on what they pass around their echo chamber. It doesn't relate to reality, it only relates to the exaggeration of their exaggerations.



Also, the slight wobble in the excess deaths stats happen to also coincide with the spread of COVID in the community and take no consideration of population growth.

As of November last year, there have been 64,807 adverse events reported for COVID vaccines, most of them minor. There had been 2 deaths that had been officially determined to be caused by a COVID-19 vaccine. The '1 million vaccine damaged' is clearly made up BS.