An optimistic view of our possible future - in a perfect world..?

Hi ATS,

Like many of you, I hold a rather pessimistic view of our current circumstances & our likely future under the 'guiding hand' of entities such as the World Economic Forum, in league with the United Nations, institutions which seem closely aligned with causing our collective future to be constrained by corralling in 15 minute cities, eating 'ze bugs', the loss of beef & lamb from our kitchens, the ending of domestic & international flights, massive unemployment & the instroduction of Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), alongside Digital ID, track & trace of all transactions & interactions with government, the introduction of Universal Basic Income (UBI), and much, much more.

These distressing visions of a dystopian future are sadly not tempered by any enthusiasm for the inculcation of new ways of living, with one of the main features of the economic transformation of our societies being the WEF mantra: "You will own nothing, and be happy". They intend that our homes & vehicles will be rented rather than owned, making the security & flexibility brought about by personal ownership of various forms of assets a thing of the past, truly enslaving us in their hive mind prison for the senses as well as a prison restricting us in all the practical aspects of what it means to be a free person living in an open society. Our prsopects seem dim indeed.

One of the major problems facing us in the future, whether or not we manage to halt this disturbing dystopian agenda led by the elitists of the WEF et al, is the fact that increased automation & Artificial Intelligence control systems for both practical manual (manufacturing, warehousing) & digital tasks formerly executed by human members of staff (including customer service, food preparation, etc) will leave many members of society without a job, without a means to earn a living, no access to finance to set up a business (and no business in which they can compete with automation of finance & practical processes). This leaves us with mass unemployment & a huge segment of society who, if not awaiting their imminent depopulation, will need some means of earning a living, some industry into which they can enter, compete & make good in the world of entrepreneurship. Where are we left if this automation & AI system 'multi-industry' destruction of competition & human replacement in all areas is allowed to prosper? That is the subject of this thread.

In the dystopian vision of which we are most familiar, there seems little we can do to halt the train of 'progress'. Yes, we must fight against the introduction of CBDCs & other tyrannical moves such as elimination of beef & lamb from our diets, the introduction of bugs to feed our schoolchildren, the banning of domestic & international flights, and so on. We have a sacred duty to prevent these horrendous systems of enslavement from being made manifest - but what can we possibly do about the automation/ AI & Universal Basic Income debate, the trends for which are all continuing apace, with very few reasonable prospects for how human beings can continue to make good in a world where traditional occupations have been swept aside by technology? My answer, the only answer, it seems, is the development of entrepreneurship based around fine craftsmanship & micro-organisations creating artisan produce of various sorts. The only thing humans will continue to do better than technology is rooted in the magnificent power of our imagination & creativity, our sensitivity to the aesthetic, to the sensorial pleasures (eg - gastronomy) which can be generated by careful & fine appreciation of applied skill & learning acquired through traditional apprenticeship of the sort seen in more ancient times.

I believe that if we are to overcome the rise of the robots, our innate creativity is the key to winning on that battleground.

Yes, there are many terrible woes cursing our modern society, and threatening its integrity as we move into the near future; we are facing threats the likes of which we have never encountered as a civilisation. We must fight for our rights, we must become political machines who are willing to go to war to protect the rights of our children & grandchildren (& even our own rights, for 'they' are moving at an exponetially increasing pace) to ensure that there is no way for the likes of BlackRock, Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab (et al) to orchestrate a dystopian coup d'etat overriding the wellbeing of humanity as a whole. But we also must prepare for a future that we can believe in as an alternative. Craftsmanship, artisanal entrepreneurship & the many possible options for careful, specialised, creative work that only the eye & mind of a human being can truly envision & bring to manifestation. We must develop a 'human first' economy, in which we apply AI algorithms & robotic automation in as many fields as possible as mere tools to take the load off of our shoulders in the areas of manual & uncreative labour/ service roles, freeing us up to approach the future as creative entrepreneurs leading micro-businesses by the millions, generating real alternatives to the mass marketing approach of the big box manufacturers & retailers rooted in a 'stack em high, sell em cheap' philosophy of modern commercial process.

What say you ATS? If you had to shift to creative entrepreneurship to earn your crust, what can you see yourself being interested in doing? We must first win the war, but thereafter, what can you see yourself enjoying & prospering with? What aesthetic roles can we play in our collective future, and indeed, could this possible future of automation of menial tasks actually serve to liberate us fully, if we manage to overcome the dystopian nightmare on offer at this time? I have a few ideas for myself, but I'll introduce those later. I also suspect that if we are indeed entering into a period of true apocalypse, as predicted by the Apostle John almost two thousand years ago, then the millennial reign of Christ is the time & opportunity in which we will learn to create a society of truly creative joy, witnessing all the potential of the human spirit 'sans corruption' - without the evil elitist powermongers currently running & ruining the show.

Godspeed for the coming battles, may you dream big & help to secure a world of opportunity for your children & grandchildren - as an enduring legacy which brings us closer to the Divine plan for human civilisation, both for the collective & for the individual.

Cheers,


FITO.

Potable water will be a challenge in the future.

I'm with you on humans being centered on creative pursuits if all mundane tasks become automated (in a perfect world that is). Problem is even in the arts AI is quickly overtaking the ability of most humans. AI will leave us nothing to do that is my fear. In the larger picture I feel our faith is being tested like never before. That is now my sole concern as this world is corrupted by man and there is but one path of redemption.

a reply to: Asktheanimals
Reconnect with the natural world. And the robots serve an unnatural order. Humanity will have to turn away and reconnect with the natural world on a more spiritual bond again. Talk to the animals and the trees, they do listen. Listen to them in return. Stay in balance and harmony. Dedicate ones self to this balance.

Op is definetly inferring in the right direction.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I'm glad you see the direction we can take. I've had a few opportunities denied due to circumstances and it's something I could easily be bitter about but I'm choosing not to. Instead I'm considering what I can do with all the free time I've acquired. I'll make works of love and learn things worth sharing.

Success can be easy, to remove the monetary value associated with our works could be a brilliant thing. It'll always come down to what an individual chooses to do with their time. Heck maybe with all the free time people won't have to learn things the hard way anymore, time's always a wasting. Right?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I think healing is in my genes. My grandmother was a medicine woman. My mother was a nurse, and I am a nurse.

My healing skills seem to also work with animals. I have had several sick or injured animals stop on my door step and I cared for them. An anhinga, rabbit, owl, heron, bobcat, stray dogs, and my neighbors have bought over their goats that needed medical care. Some of my neighbors call me Dr. Doolittle.

I am pretty good at repairing things like wash machines, stoves, and refrigerators.

But I am a bit long in the tooth, so I would do what I could as long as a could. When the time came that I was no longer a help but a hinder, I would just take the long walk.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Asktheanimals
Reconnect with the natural world. And the robots serve an unnatural order. Humanity will have to turn away and reconnect with the natural world on a more spiritual bond again. Talk to the animals and the trees, they do listen. Listen to them in return. Stay in balance and harmony. Dedicate ones self to this balance.

Op is definetly inferring in the right direction.

The more I look at the Amish, the more I think they got it right.

Until they started become more of the world.

Sex industry, there will always be a market for the real thing or real feel. Let's not forget the market for spare parts.

That's about all I got unless there was a way to take over the human body like an avatar in the movie of the same name.

Until people understand how they function inside, nothing will ever change.

Imagination is being factualised for redefinition en masse and imagination for many people goes straight to fantasy to expect the rest of the world to adopt some of those fantasies on demand as if that's how it works. We could blame corporations like Disney and movie and music companies but ultimately the choice is that of individuals. They are becoming rarer by the day.

Computers and a modern world means people are happy to exchange their chances to feed their own imagination with second hand acceptable information from outside sources and therefore have computers not only think for them, but provide creative output to help them feel good too.

STAY ANALOGUE INSIDE FOREVER! The source is flowing, not stop starting. There IS no ON or OFF like a digital binary existance.

"Turn off, tune in, and drop out" missed most of the human race and the hippies were absolutely right imo about the way the world was heading and how to help it grow in more natural ways by embracing the right things for that growth in the future.

I shouldn't care a hoot about any of this, I have no dependants, but I have retained my humanity enough to want to keep and make the world a better place for those who have the respect to appreciate more than what their physical senses provide as the only sources.

Peace.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I reconnected with nature in a serious way over 30 years ago. It was because of what I've learned through nature I believe in a creator. Aboriginal people came to the same conclusions. Interesting timing on your comment as I started writing today about the 12 years I spent watching a swamp from a special spot. Not every day of course but most days for a few hours and saw so many cool things I want to share.

Throughout human existence, there have been many periods of great uncertainty and upheaval. The one constant throughout human existence is that the "good" progress has always far out paced the "bad" progress.

Show of hands; who would rather be living in medieval times? No one? How about freezing your ass off tracking a wooly mammoth and not knowing if you're going to eat this week? How many of you want to send your children to work in the textile industry?

So why do we believe this time will be different? That this next progression will be an outlier and go in the opposite direction than all the progressions before it?

Thoughout history there have been countless many who have looked to the future and saw our demise... they have all been wrong... ever single time.

But; buckle up we are surly in for a bumpy ride. Which is also nothing new.

a reply to: Asktheanimals
Yes, this is precisely what I mean. As we take in the simplicity of our environment, and just tune in we can almost feel an energy flowing about. We are not only observing and experiencing the land and animals, but so too are we being observed and experienced.

One of my favorite pass times is doing precisely what you have said, just taking it in. Breathing it in, listening to the wind rustling through the leaves as the branches sway to and fro, the ripples in the water. The fish, the birds, the lizards, even the bugs. Nothing more serene.

a reply to: Asktheanimals

I share your fears, and yes, even the arts are being assaulted by AI - there are image generation AI, there are AI that can write a spy thriller, and much, much more, nascent on the horizon. What does that leave for us to do? Perhaps the pursuit of pure knowledge in the sciences, discussions of philosophy & religion, meditative & martial arts, the pursuit of perfection in the sporting arena. If we all end up tethered to UBI income, because automation & AI take care of the lesser tasks, then effectively we can pursue knowledge & skill for its own sake, reaching our true potential, not shackled to a lesser task simply to earn a crust - it could be glorious, all of us skating over the surface of a practical world system which runs on interlinked AI systems & automation - no more broken backs, no more troubled minds.

We could finally become Homo Cogniscienti, thriving on the knowledge & skill that we can develop, as our wellspring of non-digital analogue creativity enjoys a renaissance. Perhaps the eternal quest will be to generate material which exceeds the grandeur of AI in some manner. Or perhaps, analogue 'low-fi' human artistic endeavour of any sort will become infinitely more valuable precisely because it has come from the mind & hand of a real human being, rather than a powerful computer system with no living soul. It is likely that no matter what, our architecure & built environment will become more beautiful as both we're tasked with designing for the heights of the aesthetic, now that AI/automation does all the grunt work (including basic aesthetics) for us.

After three years of pessimism, I have come to believe that we need to be sparking more conversations of this nature, in order that we have some sort of solution to suggest in opposition to the dire predictions of the WEF/ WHO/ UN/ Bilderberg/ Club of Rome/ Tavistock elite, who have all bought in to the grossly negative depopulation & control agenda, rather than choosing the side of LIFE, in all its wonder & fullness. They are selfish, foolish people deluded by their fearful need to cling to their excessive wealth & privilege, believing there is no obligation upon them to share the world with those who are already here with them, which defies logic. AI could solve all sorts of problems without resorting to depopulation & slavish control of the lower classes. The elitists behind the depopulation & control agenda are, by all normal measures, evil in the truest sense. They aren't willing to look at other possibilities, they just want to take an industrial meat cleaver to the human race, killing off the poor (there's no need to sugar coat it) & carving up the remaining resources & territory with their equally evil neighbours, casting off the shackles of sharing what they see before them, which they believe is solely in their rights to possess.

It boggles the mind, truly, that so many people (all of them rich & powerful to an insane degree) can share an equivalent ideology of depopulation & control, the most base, selfish approach it is possible to make manifest, with not a one of them deeply concerned about the potential for the workings of cosmic justice, either in this life or the next. You'd think that they weren't aware that humans have always subsisted on beliefs of such justice being intrinsically constituent in the very nature of the universe itself, fathers & mothers passing on the lessons to their children, both in scripture & in fairy tales, depending on their ages. But when the digital age comes along, these behemoths of the financial elite cast off these lessons as though they were meaningless, even though our civilisation has done its utmost over the generations to establish police & criminal courts whose entire purpose is to punish the evildoer & uphold justice for the oppressed. It's as if they believe that nobody in this world or the next has the power to stop them in their tracks, to take away what they have stolen from others, or even that which until now, they had fairly earned - to punish them for all the evils they have been a part of in this world.

Because it is clear that in scripture, the good who later decide to follow an evil path are judged as evil, despite whatever they had done before. It is the final state of the soul that is measured, and by the grace of God there go we all. Those who presently follow what I loosely term 'the WEF agenda' are in for a rude awakening.

But if you warn a wicked man and he does not turn from his wickedness and his wicked way, he will die in his iniquity, but you will have saved yourself. Now if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and I put a stumbling block before him, he will die. If you did not warn him, he will die in his sin, and the righteous acts he did will not be remembered. And I will hold you responsible for his blood. But if you warn the righteous man not to sin, and he does not sin, he will indeed live because he heeded your warning, and you will have saved yourself.”

Ezekiel 3:19-21

If they won't consent to exploring a new mode of living, a way which is fair & just for all mankind, an alternative & righteous path compared to the one they are walking, if they persist on this path determined by their collaboration with the likes of Bill Gates, Klaus Schwab, Larry Fink & all the unnamed & unknown tyrants, whose identities are simply hidden from the common people, they will come to a terrible end.

They seem to believe that because they can hide from a man, they can hide from the Creator, that some weird rules of black magic will save them from the justice of El Shaddai. Again, it will be a rude awakening. I pray that they will come to terms with the fact that they are in the wrong, and that there are other pathways open to humanity at this stage. Their wealth & power emplaces them as potential leaders of humanity, and they therefore have greater responsibilities than the common man before the throne of the Almighty. The Book of Revelation is prophetic, and therefore it is a warning & not set in stone - there is a possibility that the path we walk will be different. I hope they come to make the decision to walk that other path, because the one they are on leads solely to destruction.



FITO.

a reply to: nerbot

I understand your perspective, and some of what you say I agree with, but this:

We could blame corporations like Disney and movie and music companies but ultimately the choice is that of individuals. They are becoming rarer by the day.

Come on, we never stood a chance.

In the modern age (since the eighties - the time of the digital machines) we have been assaulted from ever direction we ever looked as children, and later as teens, and still later through marketing for adults, all the shiny stuff we 'need' which was promised as a means of enriching our lives. Even though we all made many terrible choices & certainly drank the Kool Aid willingly, we are naturally curious beings, we are easily led to enjoy that which the natural world has to offer. Since the eighties, the era when digital computing & mass marketing really took off & focused on every generation at the same time, as a race our future was sealed, to a point. This, now, this is the point, the moment of decision, the moment when computing goes to the next level, when the corporations & the billionaires are so damn powerful that the entire world could turn on the head of a pin - this is the moment of decision, the time of our reckoning.

We are literally at the fork in the road. COVID was an experiment in the exertion of full top down control systems, rooted in the digital ID proof of concept. CBDCs are the next logical step if they want to initiate a true system of complete control, which will help them to mop up the mess when the depopulation agenda evidence becomes known in a more widespread & incontrovertible manner. They will need to be able to switch off the money tap in order to prevent strong arm protests which cripple the economy or threaten their security.

The truth is, if ever there was a moment when the greatest amount of good could be done by a relatively few people acting in harmony, then that moment is now. In the 1940s it was the Battle of Britain. In 2023 it is the Battle of the Billionaires. If enough of them were to get together & challenge the status quo - challenging the WEF agenda, essentially - offering to take humanity on a new journey of discovery & adventure as partners in a grand quest for ultimate enlightenment, then the WEF agenda would be overturned. We might even end up with truth & reconciliation panels, if we were able to turn the situation around.

Some people say that the apocalypse is inevitable - and in a sense, it was, because it definitely now has begin. But all prophecy is given so that the negative outcomes may be avoided. Just look at the story of Jonah, who wanted to refuse his mission to preach to the people of the wicked city of Ninecah. Eventually, no matter how it happened, that situation was turned around, he preached & they were saved from the punishment which would otherwise have been inflicted. The same opportunity is available to us now, but we will need to depend on the good will & actions of several billionaires to be able to affect real change in our world. The common people can no longer protest or pull enough levers to course correct on their own. We need some at the top to turn around & work in our favour, believing in the possibility of a truly new world, an order based in faith & common ambition towards beauty & perfection of our knowledge & self-expression.

We cannot do it alone, but if we get the help we need, we could end up as Homo Cogniscienti, rather than Homo Obsoleti.

a reply to: dandandat2

I fully agree with your idea of constant positive progress - until now. But don't forget that the people had to go through those moments of terrible experience before the society as a whole developed ways to get over those hurdles.

i am of the opinion that the long march of advances in digital technology have led to an opportunity for a very few extremely wealthy & powerful individuals to pull a few levers & execute the erection of a control system so terrible that it will rival Stalin's gulags, only it will primarily be a prison for the mind (though ultimately, it will develop into a true prison world).

If we do not secure the help we need, from a number of extremely wealthy & powerful billionaires, then we may well go through a hundred years of brutal torment before the next opportunity to get over the hurdle.

Or it may devolve into the literal apocalypse as presented in the Revelation of St John. Without the help I specify, I believe we are likely to end up going down that route. I pray we do not - but without the right help, we are doomed to march straight into the shackles of a digital ID & CBDC enslavement. And all the while a depopulation operation continues to trim members from the herd without the awareness of most humans alive. Ultimately the truth will come out, but we are in dire straits, there is no doubt.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I love nature, and I'm glad that both you & AskTheAnimals have found peace by spending time in nature meditatively. On occasion I have been fortunate to experience this too, though it is harder for me due to a physical disability which limits my mobility greatly.

The tragic thing is, the elitists, in line with the WEF agenda, fully intend to limit the common people from experiencing nature in the way that you describe. They intend to lock us into 15 minute neighbourhoods, fiining us for going out of bounds, ultimately preventing us from doing so entirely by banning gasoline & diesel motor vehicles - charging & maintaining an electric vehicle will prove too expensive once we move over to the planned CBDC system of enslavement.

This is why we need to act now - if we don't, our children & grandchildren will never experience the joys of nature as you have been privileged to enjoy them. They will also ban international flights for all but the most wealthy & the high level controllers of the system. Thus, we will never get to know other parts of our world in all their glorious beauty either. We therefore must find a way to spark a revolution in the ranks of the billionaires', so that they can carry us along with them into a new mode of civilisation, as described in the previous posts I've made here.

Let's hope & pray that we can convince them.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

What this Great Reset has shown me is that mankind is diverging on 2 paths. One follows the masses and technology and "goes along to get along" while ignoring the deeper ramifications of their actions and never considering their role in any of it. The other is rejecting all these man-made constructs and getting back to the true basics of living; sharing the Earth as humans and with our plant and animal neighbors. All we need is written in the Bible and this is the first time I have ever stated so publicly. For decades I thought it was basically a good guide to living but mostly mythological. Truths remain timeless however and speak to us ever after thousands of years. We perish for lack of knowledge comes to mind. Those committed to doing no harm to others and living in forgiveness are all Daniels in the lions den. We are vulnerable, trapped and facing our own mortality with faith being our sole weapon. It's very simple at it's core but they do their best to keep us confused and constantly wandering about in search of the latest danger to keep our fear ever present.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

No we can't do it alone, we do it with loved ones.

Which is the logical fallacy in many brains when they point the finger at governments, corporations and billionaires. These entities just provided the services it was the individuals that broke the family unit via convenience. That's what it all boils down to right?

The hippies are right. Nobody needed any of this crap to be humans. Instead of putting ourselves into the mindspace of necessity we should probably go out and hug a local tree, interact with locals and for goodness sake actually raise the kids instead of pawning them off into schools you don't trust and onto technology you don't trust. The only issue is our ships are being directed by lazy ass helmsmen who never had the foresight to see where we're heading. Generational incompetence and piss poor seamanship, the helmsman isn't the eyes... You wish for us all to do what exactly? I wouldn't double down on bad bets, I wouldn't even gamble with issues like this.

We cannot do it alone, but if we get the help we need, we could end up as Homo Cogniscienti, rather than Homo Obsoleti.

Try that route. We're all going extinct anyways but I'd rather you not speed up the process.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Some people say that the apocalypse is inevitable...

It is inevitable that some people say that the apocalypse is inevitable...

Frequency.

When people spread the following influence of "relief", it will go the other way.

There is no sense of relief unless the negative energy has been extremed, expended and dissipated.

BOING!

I'm 37, I still climb trees, have been as long as I can remember being alive. I climb then with my children now, and they love it too. There are some trees in this city I dearly miss. I found one by the river that takes me back to four years old in Tallahassee. We can scale it to the nearly tippy top.

Trees are a special place to relax in, I am glad my kids are understanding it too.

It pains me to see really old trees go down.