Defense confirms: Russia had special vessel near Nord Stream's detonation point

Just because there was some Russian ships around there at the time is not evidence they did it. If I was in the gas station when someone robbed the gas station it does not mean I robbed it.

Some western countries that wanted to punish and bully Russia probably were the ones that sabotaged that pipeline. I do not think it was Ukraine either, I think it was done by some NATO countries that wanted to stop money going to Russia.

Russia did not benefit in any way by sabotaging the pipeline....neither did the citizens of the European countries...just their governments of some of those countries and of course, the American government's desire to get Russia out of the picture.

Security Council Rejects Draft Resolution Establishing Commission to Investigate Sabotage of Nord Stream Pipeline

CONFLICTING REPORTS THICKEN NORD STREAM BOMBING PLOT
None of the emerging narratives surrounding the Nord Stream pipeline bombing really contradicts Seymour Hersh’s central allegation that Biden authorized the operation.

Divers used chartered yacht to sabotage Nord Stream pipelines – report

At present, NATO has 31 member countries. In 1949, there were 12 founding members of the Alliance: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom and the United States. Since then, 19 more countries have joined the Alliance: Greece and Türkiye (1952); Germany (1955); Spain (1982); Czechia, Hungary and Poland (1999); Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia and Slovenia (2004); Albania and Croatia (2009); Montenegro (2017); North Macedonia (2020); and Finland (2023).

"A ship was seen in the area" ergo "said ship was responsible, because we at NATO, who were created for the sole purpoise to to counter Russia investigated and determined,,, yup, russia."

Also, Russia meddled in elections, also russia is DJT's handler, also russia took our favorite tv shows off the air, also russia is killing- literally killing-trans people all over the world, also russia wants to kill us all, also russia will invade everyone now, also russia russia russia russia!!!!

JFC, it russia didn't exist we'd have to invent something like MAGA Alt Right White Extremists Terrorists Transphobic Nazi folks as the devil of the entire planet.

The oddest thing, Joe is on TV saying he's going to blow it up, but seemingly that was just nothing but talk, yet it blew up, so now we have to see what really happened using the very impartial NATO folks to determine things in favor of...... NATO.

Why wait so long to "investigate?" Duh, people have forgotten, the memory of a goldfish means just wait until the population has forgotten, then install a new "russia did it" Narrative and remove Joe saying he'd do it because Joe's demented, and Nuland, well, she's nice.

originally posted by: gortex
Danish media is reporting that Denmark's defence ministry have confirmed a report that a Russian "special vessel" was seen and photographed by a Danish patrol boat on 22 September 2022 near to the location of the Nord Stream explosion site , the explosion happened on on September 26.

The SS-750 was one of a group of Russian ships in the area at the time and is significant because it carries a mini-submarine on board.

"It's incredibly interesting. The SS-750 is a special vessel that is designed precisely for underwater operations,' says the Swedish researcher, Russia expert and intelligence expert Joakim von Braun.

Jacob Kaarsbo, who is a senior analyst at the think tank Europe and previously worked for 15 years in the Defense Intelligence Service, believes that the information "sheds light on what was going on in the area in the days before".

"The SS-750 is the most interesting vessel to confirm, because we know it has the capacity to carry out such an operation," says Jacob Kaarsbo.

Information has previously revealed that the Norwegian Defense Command is in possession of 112 images of Russian vessels in the area. But this is the first time that the defense has confirmed that it is the specific Russian vessel SS-750 with the mini-submarine on board.

At the same time, the Norwegian Defense Command refuses to provide access to the photos of the Russian special vessel, as the photos are "of an intelligence nature" and "are part of the intelligence work".

These satellite photos, along with AIS data from a tugboat, indicate that SS-750 sailed from Kaliningrad at 00:22 on 21 September 2022. AIS transmitters are typically used by larger vessels to supplement radars. They send signals about the ship's name, number, direction, draft and speed and can thus be used to map the movement of vessels.

The SS-750 sailed even without the AIS on. However, the tug Alexandr Frolov had its AIS on when departing from the Russian naval port. AIS data from this vessel shows that the convoy of naval vessels headed for Bornholm, but north of Poland the tug's AIS was also switched off. Until now, it has been assumed that the SS-750 and the five other vessels continued to the area where the Nord Stream pipes were blown up a few days later. Now the Defense Command has confirmed that the SS-750 was observed in the area.

"This is clear confirmation. That vessel is part of Russia's readiness for submarines and underwater operations. In theory, that vessel may well have been there for other reasons, but the timing to be in exactly that place at that time is special,' says analyst Oliver Alexander.
www.information.dk...

So those so cock sure the UK or US were responsible may have cause to think again.

Except it makes absolutely zero sense for Russia to destroy these pipelines. As a strategic bargaining chip they were invaluable. They could turn the flow of gas on as easily as off. It makes FAR more sense for western powers to cripple them.

originally posted by: ARM1986

originally posted by: gortex
Danish media is reporting that Denmark's defence ministry have confirmed a report that a Russian "special vessel" was seen and photographed by a Danish patrol boat on 22 September 2022 near to the location of the Nord Stream explosion site , the explosion happened on on September 26.

The SS-750 was one of a group of Russian ships in the area at the time and is significant because it carries a mini-submarine on board.

"It's incredibly interesting. The SS-750 is a special vessel that is designed precisely for underwater operations,' says the Swedish researcher, Russia expert and intelligence expert Joakim von Braun.

Jacob Kaarsbo, who is a senior analyst at the think tank Europe and previously worked for 15 years in the Defense Intelligence Service, believes that the information "sheds light on what was going on in the area in the days before".

"The SS-750 is the most interesting vessel to confirm, because we know it has the capacity to carry out such an operation," says Jacob Kaarsbo.

Information has previously revealed that the Norwegian Defense Command is in possession of 112 images of Russian vessels in the area. But this is the first time that the defense has confirmed that it is the specific Russian vessel SS-750 with the mini-submarine on board.

At the same time, the Norwegian Defense Command refuses to provide access to the photos of the Russian special vessel, as the photos are "of an intelligence nature" and "are part of the intelligence work".

These satellite photos, along with AIS data from a tugboat, indicate that SS-750 sailed from Kaliningrad at 00:22 on 21 September 2022. AIS transmitters are typically used by larger vessels to supplement radars. They send signals about the ship's name, number, direction, draft and speed and can thus be used to map the movement of vessels.

The SS-750 sailed even without the AIS on. However, the tug Alexandr Frolov had its AIS on when departing from the Russian naval port. AIS data from this vessel shows that the convoy of naval vessels headed for Bornholm, but north of Poland the tug's AIS was also switched off. Until now, it has been assumed that the SS-750 and the five other vessels continued to the area where the Nord Stream pipes were blown up a few days later. Now the Defense Command has confirmed that the SS-750 was observed in the area.

"This is clear confirmation. That vessel is part of Russia's readiness for submarines and underwater operations. In theory, that vessel may well have been there for other reasons, but the timing to be in exactly that place at that time is special,' says analyst Oliver Alexander.
www.information.dk...

So those so cock sure the UK or US were responsible may have cause to think again.

Except it makes absolutely zero sense for Russia to destroy these pipelines. As a strategic bargaining chip they were invaluable. They could turn the flow of gas on as easily as off. It makes FAR more sense for western powers to cripple them.

They still can turn the gas back on. Only 3 of the 4 pipelines were taken out. The fourth one--one of the new ones--was completely unharmed. If someone wanted to permanently terminate Russia's ability to supply gas through pipelines to Europe, all 4 would have been taken out. But that didn't happen. Russia is the party that benefits from that curious fact.

a reply to: gortex
When it was postulated that the US may have used a submersible UAV to blow up the pipeline… when we we doing naval exercises in the area shortly before the explosions, certain folks here thought the idea was preposterous.

Now when the US claims that the Russians were working there with the same sort of equipment, those people think it is probably true.

The Russians blew up the pipeline that transports the gas they sell to Europe? The money earned could support their military expenditures in Ukraine. What sense does that make?

a reply to: ARM1986

Except it makes absolutely zero sense for Russia to destroy these pipelines.

They're not destroyed they're just not watertight anymore , they could be fixed but for what point.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: ARM1986

Except it makes absolutely zero sense for Russia to destroy these pipelines.

They're not destroyed they're just not watertight anymore , they could be fixed but for what point.

There would be no point because JB would threaten it and blow it up again like he said he’d do . I honestly can’t believe you can’t grasp that . It really can’t get any simpler. There is no motive at all for Russia . I hate Russia and China but that doesn’t mean I quit using logic

Do you believe everything you read and do you have any critical thinking?

I take some of your points on board but to me it doesn't matter what side blew up the pipe line it was obviously an attack on energy infrastructure by governments of both sides and the knock on affects where intended to be energy rationing or higher energy prices for me and you.

originally posted by: 1947boomer

originally posted by: ARM1986

originally posted by: gortex
Danish media is reporting that Denmark's defence ministry have confirmed a report that a Russian "special vessel" was seen and photographed by a Danish patrol boat on 22 September 2022 near to the location of the Nord Stream explosion site , the explosion happened on on September 26.

The SS-750 was one of a group of Russian ships in the area at the time and is significant because it carries a mini-submarine on board.

"It's incredibly interesting. The SS-750 is a special vessel that is designed precisely for underwater operations,' says the Swedish researcher, Russia expert and intelligence expert Joakim von Braun.

Jacob Kaarsbo, who is a senior analyst at the think tank Europe and previously worked for 15 years in the Defense Intelligence Service, believes that the information "sheds light on what was going on in the area in the days before".

"The SS-750 is the most interesting vessel to confirm, because we know it has the capacity to carry out such an operation," says Jacob Kaarsbo.

Information has previously revealed that the Norwegian Defense Command is in possession of 112 images of Russian vessels in the area. But this is the first time that the defense has confirmed that it is the specific Russian vessel SS-750 with the mini-submarine on board.

At the same time, the Norwegian Defense Command refuses to provide access to the photos of the Russian special vessel, as the photos are "of an intelligence nature" and "are part of the intelligence work".

These satellite photos, along with AIS data from a tugboat, indicate that SS-750 sailed from Kaliningrad at 00:22 on 21 September 2022. AIS transmitters are typically used by larger vessels to supplement radars. They send signals about the ship's name, number, direction, draft and speed and can thus be used to map the movement of vessels.

The SS-750 sailed even without the AIS on. However, the tug Alexandr Frolov had its AIS on when departing from the Russian naval port. AIS data from this vessel shows that the convoy of naval vessels headed for Bornholm, but north of Poland the tug's AIS was also switched off. Until now, it has been assumed that the SS-750 and the five other vessels continued to the area where the Nord Stream pipes were blown up a few days later. Now the Defense Command has confirmed that the SS-750 was observed in the area.

"This is clear confirmation. That vessel is part of Russia's readiness for submarines and underwater operations. In theory, that vessel may well have been there for other reasons, but the timing to be in exactly that place at that time is special,' says analyst Oliver Alexander.
www.information.dk...

So those so cock sure the UK or US were responsible may have cause to think again.

Except it makes absolutely zero sense for Russia to destroy these pipelines. As a strategic bargaining chip they were invaluable. They could turn the flow of gas on as easily as off. It makes FAR more sense for western powers to cripple them.

They still can turn the gas back on. Only 3 of the 4 pipelines were taken out. The fourth one--one of the new ones--was completely unharmed. If someone wanted to permanently terminate Russia's ability to supply gas through pipelines to Europe, all 4 would have been taken out. But that didn't happen. Russia is the party that benefits from that curious fact.

Ummm...Orrrr...the explosives at the other Nordstream pipe didn't detonate...you do recall that there were reports that there was another unexploded device removed from pipelines...right..."

Not talking the fuzzy growth smoke canister...

Explosive laden drone

Ruling out sabotage, the Swedish military has successfully cleared a remote operated vehicle (drone) rigged with explosives found near Line 2 of the Nord Stream Natural Gas offshore pipeline system.

YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

That story is on different platforms, but all source back to RT.


Everyone has a story ‘justifying’ their perceived culprit. And everyone is treating the other side like idiots for putting full stock in their source.

The west certainly had motive, arguably more. It would hurt Russia while also helping US energy companies.

But Russia isn’t without motive, even if it seems strategically less. This helps their narrative at home to justify a war, and there’s a possible insurance payout on a pipeline that cost a lot only to never be used.

Even if western media was honestly (which most aren’t), their sources are often government officials. So we have to take it with a grain of salt.

The Russian government and state media are clearly going to drive their agenda too.

And if we’re being honest, Russias strategy has been flawed as of late. Even if they eventually win this war, they’ve done poorly to execute a quick operation on a neighboring country.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: YouSir


And if we’re being honest, Russias strategy has been flawed as of late. Even if they eventually win this war, they’ve done poorly to execute a quick operation on a neighboring country.

Ummm...Sooooo...you think that depleting the munitions stocks of the entirety of NATO...and the good ole US of A...is a flawed strategy...?

When it's all said and done...the entire west will take decades to replenish their munitions...all while Russia's factories have been pumping them out 24/7 for a year and their MIC has expanded significantly...

WHEN...Russia wins this conflict...perhaps the western media sponges...might recognize how thoroughly they've been played by the current regime they swallow their programming from...

But prolly not...

When this skirmish is over...Russia could roll through the entirety of Europe and lob mortar shells into not so great Britain...from the shores of France and Belgium...

That two day munition capacity of NATO would be used up in an hour...The only possibly effectual weaponry NATO has...are all those American nukes they've got sitting in bunkers in Germany...Italy...Spain...Belgium...and the UK...along with the French ones...

That's it...

Those F35's...Mirages and Euro fighters...would be swatted out of the air by Kinzal's and Zircon's...

All after The US has pivoted away from Europe so they can play the exact same failed game strategy in the Taiwan strait...


Do continue to sing the Biden regimes praises though...it's eminently entertaining to observe...




YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

When this skirmish is over...Russia could roll through the entirety of Europe

Of course they can, but for some reason they couldn't roll into Kyiv with their 40 mile long amoured column.

Keep dreaming.

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: YouSir

When this skirmish is over...Russia could roll through the entirety of Europe

Of course they can, but for some reason they couldn't roll into Kyiv with their 40 mile long amoured column.

Keep dreaming.

Ummm...as I said...prolly not...



YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

Yea, you’re probably right.

The country with a GDP about the size of Texas is getting stronger as they blow through their men and resources against a country who has toppled them before in spending. Russia is a shell of what it was then.

And we’ll be depleted because we gave away hand me downs while we build out the new generations of weaponry like we do every couple of decades.

We’re not perfect in this scenario, and I’d venture to guess we’re being very wasteful… but I don’t see how you get to your conclusion.

Where does Russia magically get more men, or the money to outspend the US and Europe. NATO military spending is over half of Russian total GDP.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: YouSir

Yea, you’re probably right.

The country with a GDP about the size of Texas is getting stronger as they blow through their men and resources against a country who has toppled them before in spending. Russia is a shell of what it was then.

And we’ll be depleted because we gave away hand me downs while we build out the new generations of weaponry like we do every couple of decades.

We’re not perfect in this scenario, and I’d venture to guess we’re being very wasteful… but I don’t see how you get to your conclusion.

Where does Russia magically get more men, or the money to outspend the US and Europe. NATO military spending is over half of Russian total GDP.

Ummm…perhaps you should learn to pay attention…Russia isn’t using their armed forces in any frontline scenario…they’re using foreign fighters…Wagner…and the partisans from the Donetsk…Lugansk…Zaporizhzhia and Kherson…

The Russian military is busy building multi layered fortifications and operating artillery…MLRS…missile batteries and self propelled fuel air launch vehicles…and self propelled mortars…helicopter gunships…Fighter jets…ships…tanks…drones…etc…they’re operating from second echelon positions…

You really should keep up…there are numerous news reports out there discussing how depleted the stocks of US and NATO munitions are…and exactly how many years it’s going to take to replenish them…

But keep on cheering for the “rules based order” as it implodes…all while 85% of the rest of the worlds population move on leaving it to the dust of history…



YouSir

a reply to: YouSir

Ummm...Orrrr...the explosives at the other Nordstream pipe didn't detonate...you do recall that there were reports that there was another unexploded device removed from pipelines...right..."

In 2015 , it was also found to be harmless.

The unmanned vehicle was discovered Friday by the gas company Nord Stream during an annual routine check of the pipeline, Jesper Stolpe at the Swedish Armed Forces tells Radio Sweden. The company then notified the Swedish Armed Forces because the vehicle was found in the Swedish economic zone.

Stolpe says that their preliminary findings suggest that the vehicle is armed with an explosive charge used to dispose of naval mines, but he adds that it’s unlikely that it will cause any damage to the pipeline.

“We don’t consider it to be dangerous to merchant vessels or the pipeline at this point,” Stolpe tells Radio Sweden.

Stolpe says that the vehicle has the capacity to damage the pipeline, which in turn could cause a gas leak, but that the wire needed to trigger the charge and to control the vehicle has been cut off rendering the vehicle fairly harmless.
blogs.plymouth.ac.uk...

a reply to: gortex

Why haven’t you addressed that the operating Nord Stream 1 pipeline was blown up as well, and that is where the massive gas leak was coming from? Instead from your op and responses to me, anyone would think there was only one pipeline and it was never opened...

a reply to: surfer_soul

Why haven’t you addressed that the operating Nord Stream 1 pipeline was blown up as well, and that is where the massive gas leak was coming from? Instead from your op and responses to me, anyone would think there was only one pipeline and it was never opened...

This thread is regarding information about the movements of a Russian ship equipped for the job that was logged near to Nord Stream 2 , it's common knowledge Nord Stream 1 was also sabotaged likely by the same operatives.

Gazprom has said it is technically possible to repair the Nord Stream 1 pipeline but here is little will to do it in the current climate.

a reply to: gortex

You were claiming there was no gas being supplied and hence no motive for anyone other than Russia to sabotage it.