Satanic Temple’s ‘SatanCon’ in Boston set to be ‘largest satanic gathering in history’

originally posted by: Degradation33
a reply to: randomuser

In your religious context, you're staying soundly on the path of the righteous, doing what is just and not acting Satanic. Absolutely. I'm sorry if I gave that impression.

But, in some versions of Satanism, it shifts the reasons, motivations, and moral righteousness, above and out of any one specific dynamic. And to a context of simply "orthodox" and "heterodox". Heterodox = Sinister = Satanic = Left handed attainment.

It's transitive and without an affixed morality. It simply defines orthodox as the concensus culture.

It does this because it views the "natural resistor", even a Christian in Pagan Rome, as a necessary resistor. The way nature works and refines itself. The "Satanic" constantly pushing against and getting pushed by whatever environment is present.

Why it uses Satan from a specific christian meaning is a misnomer. And very misleading.

It could be called the generator, the resistor, the dark force of entropy, the architect, the postmodern master, and on and on. The ever present organizing principle for what has to thrive in chaos and adversity. It many cases emphasizing need for a compass of some type simply because orthodox morality is so transitive. Very honor based.

It's a very nebulous and abstract concept to get to heart of abstractions and why people defy them.

I can see this aligning with my post above. If you missed it: post

ETA: Satan is "Resister." Devil is Liar and Slanderer. I had those backwards in an early post that was the primary reason for this post to correct my error there. But went more into the line of reasoning of Psalm 14:1 and how it can very aptly apply to atheists who call themselves Satanists.

What they believe in can be concerning even removing the whole devil aspect of it. The, you can do whatever the F you want and F everyone else doesn't work so well in a society.

They "believe" in total freedom as long as you don't interfere with someone else's freedom. They don't say "F everyone else". They say respect people who respect you and don't show respect to people who are bad to you.

Don't you think you should do whatever you want with your life and body if it doesn't interfere with anyone else except you?
Don't you think that people who are F-ing you are not worthy of your respect and you should not submit to people exploiting, abusing, tricking, etc. you?

A society based on respecting all living things and each other, not interfering in others' lives if it doesn't involve you, freedom, and equality in rights, sounds much better than the society we have.

What I got out of reading Lavey in my youth.

Self worship ----> Whether good looking or ugly, use your looks to your advantage -----> Cheat, Lie, Manipulate, Take Advantage, ----> Control.

originally posted by: rollyro

A society based on respecting all living things and each other, not interfering in others' lives if it doesn't involve you, freedom, and equality in rights, sounds much better than the society we have.

There is always a catch....

The issue here is you are defining parts of a basically good society and saying oh that is my religion. True chaos is not good because man is not very good, so to say freedom to do what one wants is great, but total freedom can get ugly quickly. The Satanic Temple today is more of a boor filled with angry misfits, and pseudo-intellectuals. They spend most of their time in the activism of pushing against religion within the courts.

This is Satan's world and he runs the show.

It really is that simple but nobody wants to believe, they would rather mockingly scoff.

This is why the left and Satanists have the exact same playbook.

There is always a catch....

The issue here is you are defining parts of a basically good society and saying oh that is my religion. True chaos is not good because man is not very good, so to say freedom to do what one wants is great, but total freedom can get ugly quickly. The Satanic Temple today is more of a boor filled with angry misfits, and pseudo-intellectuals. They spend most of their time in the activism of pushing against religion within the courts.

There is no "catch" as they don't actively search for new followers. And you don't need to behave differently if you are a follower or not.
Nobody says "total freedom", since that of course can get ugly. But you should have total freedom in your life and body. Nobody should dictate how you should live your limited life and you should not interfere in how others live their life.
You can give advice, but you should not be able to force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

If you look at other religions you will find that almost all of them are basically taking over your life and telling you what you can and can't do. A lot of people have been kicked out of their families, denied healthcare, or even committed suicide exactly because of these dogmas.

Religion and belief can be good for some people but the moment it interferes with other's lives, government, laws, etc. that becomes much uglier than total freedom.

Religion and belief should only be in your house. Outside, everyone should respect everyone else as long as they don't cause you any harm.

Also, I believe being punished for being a dick with others is much better than waiting for a god to punish that person.

*Massages brows*
Ok, I need to underline something for the sake of those who wandered in here and are expecting to find some facts. Atheism =/= satanism. Satanists believe in Satan, a supernatural entity, depending on your definition of the supernatural (Satan is magic / a religious figure / made of woo / enter appropriate definition).
Atheists do not believe in any god, or gods, or angels, or Father Christmas, or the tooth fairy, or any supernatural entity made up by primitive mankind to explain why the sun rises every morning and then sets in the evening (hint: it's not rolled by a giant dung beetle).
They don't believe in Satan either.
It's a simple concept. Get it right.

Does anyone think that Satan might get offended if they call his gathering SatanCon?

originally posted by: lostbook
Does anyone think that Satan might get offended if they call his gathering SatanCon?

It depends on who gets the royalties? Can you even pay a non-existent supernatural construct royalties?

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
*Massages brows*
Ok, I need to underline something for the sake of those who wandered in here and are expecting to find some facts. Atheism =/= satanism. Satanists believe in Satan, a supernatural entity, depending on your definition of the supernatural (Satan is magic / a religious figure / made of woo / enter appropriate definition).
Atheists do not believe in any god, or gods, or angels, or Father Christmas, or the tooth fairy, or any supernatural entity made up by primitive mankind to explain why the sun rises every morning and then sets in the evening (hint: it's not rolled by a giant dung beetle).
They don't believe in Satan either.
It's a simple concept. Get it right.

EXACTLY!!!

They do use it like a marketing tool though.

a reply to: rollyro

Satanism isn't bad, bad things are wrong.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg

originally posted by: lostbook
Does anyone think that Satan might get offended if they call his gathering SatanCon?

It depends on who gets the royalties? Can you even pay a non-existent supernatural construct royalties?

As long as they dont use this trademarked sigil they'll be fine.



"Old Bessie". A copyright of The Church of Satan. If The Satanic Temple were to use it they could be sued for copyright infringement.

In fact, the group most likely to piss off The Church of Satan using that image is The Satanic Temple.

CoS even provides a nifty fact sheet.

Satanic Temple Fact Sheet by Chruch of Satan

** Can't unbreak link. If interested, search "Satanic Temple Factsheet" The 4th or 5th result is the one by The Church of Satan.

But it provides tidbits like this (some of which may be outdated by more recent court filings).

• Launched in 2013, The Satanic Temple’s (TST) website claimed to believe in and worship a literal Satan. The TST trademark filing contains documents that have these claims as well. (Filing linked on wepage)

• Original TST “High Priest” Brian Werner states in his 2014 resignation video that TST is a political organization that has nothing to do with Satanism. Werner claims the actual people behind TST have no interest in or connection with Satanism, a claim echoed by Bugbee.

• “The Satanic Temple” is a registered Trademark of United Federation of Churches LLC, which is listed as registered to Douglas Misicko, 519 Somerville Ave., No 288, Somerville, MA 02143-3238. Reason Alliance LTD is a religious non-profit also registered to Douglas Misicko at the same address.

• Reason Alliance LTD paid bills for, and provided 501c3 documentation in support of, TST’s After School Satan Club in Seattle, however their own website claims they do not believe religious organizations should be tax exempt.

[Links provide here]

In 2019 they reversed this position filing for, and receiving tax exempt status with registration as a Christian church.

The short of that is:

They ARE NOT SATANISTS from an LHP standpoint, they are a Massachusetts based political action group that uses Satan to challenge and troll Christian inspired law in favor of LGBT causes, women's rights, and abortion. They will change their views on Satan to suit their purposes. They advocate for a strong centralized government that supercedes states rights in a playbook taken directly from the ACLU and leftist activism. The greatest trick they ever pulled was using Satan so effectively they convinced the world it really exists as feared, through them, with a will to overthrow Christian tradition. Their tenets are designed as PR to show how much of "good guys" they are.

Sorry, but if Satan's using these guys for its dastardly plans, it's kinda funny. A bunch of misfit, angry, sometimes militant liberals, way to build a strong army, Satan.

a reply to: rollyro

Oh how cute... a bit naïve though

You believe the people that have named their organization in honor of THE FATHER OF LIES ???

He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

After seeing some of the footage from the con, It was who I expected the Militant left/Trans Militant Trainer.
Same one they made a priest in Arizona

See how they adopted the BLM, left, antifa, anarchist talking points.

a reply to: EmeraldCoastFreedm

Proves the point.

To those other posters saying "they are not real Satanist" let me give you this.

If a group called themselves Hitlerists and they went around waving swastikas and yelling Hail Hitler and ripped up Torahs ..... You would say they were not "really Nazi's"?

a reply to: infolurker

I don't how that group originally started but they have definitely been co-opted by the militant left types.

a reply to: infolurker

An indirect question is still a question.

If a group called themselves Hitlerists and they went around waving swastikas and yelling Hail Hitler and ripped up Torahs ..... You would say they were not "really Nazi's"?

If it puts on the suit of a duck, immitates the walk, and has a duck whistle it has put work into crafting its persona.

Here's a longer answer, with candor, that you may dismiss entirely.

In Satanist circles (before TST) the ones calling themselves demon names and adding "666", and doing the "look at me" thing were freaking posers destined for the hall of noobish shame. Pretenders trying to piss off mom and dad with only a "Hot Topic" conception of Satanism and The Occult. The ones tearing up bibles using "we" or "us" got horribly mocked. There is no "We" in Satanism, after all.

When this group came out, most mocked them from a third side perspective. Something along the lines of: "Oh, look at the mundane slaves fighting over which form of enslavement and control mechanism is best. Do they even get what Satanism is?"

In some circles the very act of being a politically pandering activist, appealling to authority, invalidates ANY claim to the left hand path. It immerses itself within a polarized ideolical war which still lays under the foot of a master.

Traditionally, a satanist retracts their view to a sociological take on the motivations for the fight itself. It sees the mechanisms of continuous adversity and struggle in man-made society (religion and government both) and picks them apart before it submits itself to a scenario in which they are someone's pawn.

These people are nothing but pawns.

As for the Hitlerists, it depends on why they are transgressing all over Jewish sensitivities. Are they really Nazi's or are they using antisemitism as an act of taboo transgression for personal benefits? Is the group trying to change society? Do they even care?

Satanically speaking, there is value in pushing oneself to take extremist views, or do offensive things, for the sake of putting yourself in VERY UNCOMFORTABLE and adverse positions. To grow through those adverse conditions. Deriving attainment from the controversy. But the personal benefits are as far as that goes.

Satanism doesn't seeks God's safe Serenity to grow as much as it seeks hellfire way out of its comfort zone to thicken the skin. Using adversity to make one stronger.

In many ways that is the heart of many a satanist personal path. Pushing some morality, limit, or acceptable behavior, especially one you may take issue with, is definitely a cathartic act.

The biggest difference is a satanist does that alone and without a need to change anything but themselves. They may choose to dress as Hitler on Passover in Century City simply to push people's sensitivities and experience making themself a target of criticism. Satanism seeks adversity. It doesn't transgress to make social adversity go away. It likes being a scary Nazi drawing a crooked brow for a day. That is if a someone doesn't stab them first.

Most of the time it leads to a rejection of extremism through the many uncomfortable experiences. If masochism was ever a "spiritual" path.

While they may choose to destroy a Bible or transgress some religious indoctrination, it's still personal. It stays personal. It ceases to be a personal path when it joins a cause and appeals for society at large to cosign it.

a reply to: Degradation33

Post many edit Addedum:

There is even a great conundrum within the valid schools of Satanism.

Is the action of the adversary against the status quo Satanism, or is it the self-mastery of the adversary to not let themselves be triggered by the status quo Satanism?

Are you above anything if you want to fight everything?

It can go on in debate endlessly. That's the Satanism nobody really paid attention to because it didn't politically pander itself.

Sorry for inserting myself here, but it's a relatively recent and embarrassing thing for Satanism to be synonymous with the "first amendment arm" of The Liberal Action Rangers. Enough even to out myself and stop coping out with similar Eastern philosophies.

a reply to: Degradation33

As long as you get it that is more important.

They even have DEI