Originally posted by Moon Puppy
I’m not saying this to pick a fight or anything but I want you to show me the actual legislation of the "Patriot Act" that dismantles the
governing body of the US.
Have you actually read it? I hope you've got a couple of days free because it's that long. Of course it's phrased with political double-talk so
it's impossible to pick out even one or a few passages in particular & still make a concise, definitive answer on these forums. Overall, it picks
apart the basic Constitutional Rights guaranteed to citizens.
If you think you can stomach the whole thing, look
here. If not, here's a few places that
have provided some information on what the Patriot Act does: Here's a link with
ACLU &
Defending America. If you want more info & more viewpoints, remember that
Google is your friend.
Yes, I've noticed that NoJustice gave you some specific examples
but I've just given you some other paths to research as well.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Who are these people, and what are they waiting for? They could have easily done it after WW2 when the people were much more trusting of the
government.
The "Administration Advisors" appointed to the President's Office. Have you no sense of logic to realize that "behind the throne" refers to
people who are very influential to the President but keep "smaller targets" on them than the one who "sits on the throne"? Since I'm not here to
"entertain" only one person, look up thier names
and public histories for yourself. You'll find that most of these people have been "powers
behind the throne" for a long time & under multiple Presidents. Not only that, you'll find extremely questionable & suspicious activities connected
to their names...For the past few decades. And perhaps you think that these people learned
nothing of political tactics from those captured
Nazis after WW 2?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Ah, but it is working because the vast majority fail to see it happening. This country needs to have that majority to be aware of it,
otherwise those tactics will just slip right by them & take effect.
Do you have examples or are you just stating your opinion?
One example:
The polarization of public attitudes (You need to be able to access the
Really Above Top Secret forum for this) has been cranked up to a nearly feverish pitch in the USA. What the government has done is to isolate the
People into a wide variety of extreme opposing views; Christian vs. Muslim, Pro-War vs. Anti-War, Rep vs. Dem, on & on. We've been isolated into a
large number of "minority groups". It wasn't done by law or enforcement of any kind...It was manipulated into public attitude. "Divide &
Conquer", indeed! How can a majority be reached if the Public is so divided?
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
I'm 100% sure I know more about our constitution and our government than you. 100% positive. I would love however for you to show me examples of how
the gov has totally disreagarded the Constitution.
Is there a reason why I should read the history and conditions surrounding legislation of amendments?
Yes, you should read about the history. History will repeat itself for those who fail to learn from it. One prime example is the whole Income Tax
issue; If you read the Constitution, look at Article 1, Section 9, Clause 4. Then you'll be referred to Amendment 16. Income Taxes were instututed in
response to the Great Depression era...Presidential Emergency Act got it started. Fine & dandy, no problem yet.
Amendment 16 was pushed through Congress during the holiday season, without an acceptable Quorum present. The ratification dates show that none of the
States had ratification until the Amendment had already been pushed through & our Congress allowed the members to return from the holiday season. In
short, that Amendment was legislated outside of the Constitutional guidelines for creating Amendments. This is an issue that is having great impact on
current events; Check out
here for an example of how the People are learning about how the government
operates & beginning to refuse to put up with it. And how the government treats People who demand their Rights in response.
Now...can you use a bit more thorough research, a bit of logical progression & treat Google as your friend, or are you going to make me do all of your
footwork for what I post? Why is it that you fail to understand so much when the other people at these forums have so much less difficulty with my
posts? Most people can read what I post & use that to point their own research into whatever point I'm making. I'm not trying to be sarcastic
here...I'm trying to understand you better. However I can't spend all of my time one just one person when there's a whole forum to communicate
with. Just the two of alone have already taken up too much space with each posting because we've been quoting nearly every point. I want to stop
doing that. As a matter of fact, I will stop doing that. The only time I
normally enter a long post with lots of quotes is when I take my first
read of a thread & simply make a post when I get caught up with the topic-matter.
Originally posted by ThatsJustWeird
Go out on the street. Talk to a bunch of random people, and tell me what they think of our government. Then come back here and see how silly what you
just said was.
That's what I was talking about when I referred to "soap-box speech"...Isn't that a concise description of your statement?