Parallels Of Nazi Ideology And Current Russian Ideology

a reply to: M5xaz

You were disconnected from reality long time ago.


The idea of have " DeNazify " other country with sending in own nazis to do it.....yeeh lol maybe not so credible

originally posted by: Thrumbo

originally posted by: nugget1

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nugget1
Only time will tell who the 'good guys' really are and which way of living will prevail.

No, we don't have to wait. Russia invaded it's neighbor for expansionist reasons. Putin is not the good guy. Xi is not the good guy.

And neither is Biden.

I am not in favor of supporting of Russia invading other countries anymore than I am of the US doing so. Both countries seem to be equally culpable, with Russia wanting land and the US most likely wanting to protect secrets of mass corruption.

Ah, the evil democrat angle.

I think thats a bunch of BS perpetrated by right wing propagandists on their life mission to demonize the President. There's heaps and gobs of it here, they have nothing better to do and get lots of praise for it which makes them feel good. Sounds like they convinced you too.

What I think is a bunch of BS is the macho male mentality of opting for killing as the first step in resolving world problems....with most of them being way beyond fighting age.

I didn't bring my sons into the world in hopes that our 'benevolent' leaders would use them as fodder in the repetitive proxy wars that have been ongoing my entire life.

If you can't handle a woman's perspective to all the senseless loss of life for the benefit of the select elite that's not my problem.

originally posted by: nugget1
I am not in favor of supporting of Russia invading other countries anymore than I am of the US doing so. Both countries seem to be equally culpable, with Russia wanting land and the US most likely wanting to protect secrets of mass corruption.

I don't recall the United States invading another country to 'protect secrets of mass corruption'. Afghanistan was obvious why we did, Iraq was just dumb but also obvious.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: nugget1


It`s not use to decide about with who Ukrainians want to live with. They are making the decision, and it has looked strongly that they want to integrate with West . Notice that they did this thinking process before all this mess started, West come to help as Russia was engaging it`s own destabilization, and after that full blown war.

Ukrainians has history with Russians, and know them...as did also ex -soviet block countrys...nobody wants to live with them .

Well, yes; I agree that is the wests version. Looking at both sides of the propaganda aisle, two wrongs never make a right.

What if western media is wrongly presenting the views of the majority? Would they ever allow those dissenting voices to be heard? After watching how the LGBTQ craze is being handled in the US (and other western nations) I highly doubt it.

When you choose sides you become close-minded to the fact that the whole thing is wrong, and rooted in nothing but corruption at the highest level. As always, the winner gets the spoils-unless it's Afghanistan.

@ AugustusMasonicus: I have much respect for your opinion, as I do with a few other posters, but my female view of the constant wars and killing in our world comes from an emotional point of view, and is unlikely to ever change.

I do see the other side of the coin, but try as I might I just can't reconcile it with my personal beliefs that war isn't a solution.....especially as our own country keeps regressing while we use resources we don't have to spare to support another corrupt regime.

a reply to: nugget1

I gived your post stars, even thought we disagree on some issues


I think the mind or mentality of Putin and he`s comrades are still something many can not realize enough . i am not going to start rant about it here now, but just say that they are itself big enemy to Russia, because their chronic thinking which causes big damage to Russians . Europe did not want this war , we dont want to go back to 1900s again, put Putin wants .

a reply to: Kenzo

Yeah, the biggest enemy of the Russian people for, well, forever, has been their own leadership.

Putin is no exception. He is an odd case, being locked into the year 1985 or so, but he has shown his colors with his willingness to send Russian men into Verdun-style attacks because he is either unable or unwilling to force his military to reform and become more effective.

That approach brought about collapse in 1917. What happens in Russia's near future is an open question.

Cheers

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: nugget1

I gived your post stars, even thought we disagree on some issues

I think the mind or mentality of Putin and he`s comrades are still something many can not realize enough . i am not going to start rant about it here now, but just say that they are itself big enemy to Russia, because their chronic thinking which causes big damage to Russians . Europe did not want this war , we dont want to go back to 1900s again, put Putin wants .

Thanks, Kenzo.

While I watch the western world claim to being 'forced' into this war to save democracy for Ukraine against tyrannical dictators like Xi and Putin, I also see these same leaders rapidly enforcing laws and enacting a nanny state that sure seems to resemble the Chinese and Russian systems.

As all eyes are focused on 'the enemies' few notice where western governments are headed.

We lost our freedom of speech; small minorities are portrayed as the popular majority opinion; drugs have taken over our citizens, and propaganda is taught in schools. People who object have become domestic terrorists.

If we're not going to fight for our way of life on the home front, what's this war really about?

I just can't color the world in black and white anymore, Kenzo. There's too much black in all nations now, which I guess we're supposed to accept as 'progress'.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2


Yeeh, to send he's own men to Verdun-like slaughter.....Putin the reckless chap from KGB .


Btw, by looking now Russian ruble value, to USD OR EURO, it has going down more lately. Not really helping Russians either, thanks to Putins war. Even thought some articles has had views that USD is going to loose value .

a reply to: nugget1


Well what is happening or will happen in the West would happen anyway , regardless if there is or not war in Ukraine IMO, because our nice, kindly masters have the projects for us planned anyway, had it before this war...so this kinetic war is like extra war front that our lovely, kind masters in West did not agree with Russkies.......

We would have now same issues/ problems here in the West even if Ukraine had no war . What people are against is massive land crap/ invasion of another country by WW2 type kinetic warfare, roasted with totally reckless Russian army tactics where they fire daily tens thousands of projectiles to civilians areas also , without caring what it causes.....if it is " destroy city " tactics it's back to 1900s . ......and many wished never againg since WW2.

The destruction of areas Russia is shelling is about equivalent to carpet bombings with planes used in WW2 " probably " some places are flattened to ground.

Russia has the largest land area in the World, clearly they dont need more land...they can just build to East .

a reply to: Kenzo

Thanks, Kenzo; you've given me much to think on.

I guess no matter who has the most power gets to rule the world and it comes down to what flavor of corruption one wants to live under.

It seems like a one world dictatorship is coming our way whether we like it or not, and two factions are vying for top dog.

originally posted by: Kenzo
a reply to: M5xaz

You were disconnected from reality long time ago.


The idea of have " DeNazify " other country with sending in own nazis to do it.....yeeh lol maybe not so credible

I don't support the war, any of the sides.

But actual nazis complete with Nazi symbols are only found on the Ukrainian side. You are denying reality

Close but not quiet the same.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: nugget1
Only time will tell who the 'good guys' really are and which way of living will prevail.

No, we don't have to wait. Russia invaded it's neighbor for expansionist reasons. Putin is not the good guy. Xi is not the good guy.

Russia invaded it neighbor because the Ukrainian far right aka Nazi, with the US full support staged the coup of the Ukrainian government in 2014 because they don't like that this government was treating the Ukrainians in the east with Russian heritage as Equal citizens.

Once the coup was done the puppet Ukrainian government put in full set of rules and brand new racist laws against the peaceful Ukrainians who lived in the Donbass and the other Eastern areas. When the Eastern Ukrainians would not bow down to this fascism the Western Ukrainian far right nazis started attacking the peaceful #astern Ukrainians who wanted NOTHING MORE but to continue living the same way they had been for generations.

originally posted by: M5xaz

a reply to: M5xaz


I don't support the war, any of the sides.

But actual nazis complete with Nazi symbols are only found on the Ukrainian side. You are denying reality

"Actual Nazis" ?

There are none in this war. I'm confident none of the Russians or Ukrainians are members of the National Socialist German Workers Party who have sworn solemn oaths to Adolf Hitler.

What you're talking about are virulent nationalists. Yeah, Ukraine has some people like that. But don't kid yourself for a moment that there are not virulent Russian nationalists as well. They run their mouth for propaganda outlets 24/7. Just yesterday, even a guy as high in the Russian structure as Medvedev stated:

therefore, we do not need a sub-Ukraine. We need Greater Great Russia ... No one on the planet needs such a Ukraine. That is why it will not exist.

I don't have to be a political scientist to hear the raging nationalism in those words.

Cheers

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel
...because they don't like that this government was treating the Ukrainians in the east with Russian heritage as Equal citizens.

Too bad it's NOTFB what happens in someone else's country.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: MisguidedAngel
...because they don't like that this government was treating the Ukrainians in the east with Russian heritage as Equal citizens.

Too bad it's NOTFB what happens in someone else's country.

Sure but the US did everything possible to bait Russia (coup d etat (arming&training them before the war against Russia), the US doesn't want peace, like in the ME (for over 20 years, where they still occupy Syria's oil fields), they put close to 1 trillion/year (1/4 of all her income) in the war machine. Oil and gas etc must be sold in dollars (free money for the printing press), trying to maintaining her global hermonigy.

When the US started invading country's over there in the ME Russia&China&others had all the right with the same logic as now in Ukraine, to arm those nations (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya)- during the conflict as much as possible, help them with intelligence and so fort to stop the invaders, we all would be for Russia and China then no?

Note; I'm against war and yes it's wrong of Russia but baiting them is as well.

a reply to: Pluginn

Still NOTFB and a very weak sauce excuse of "you made me do it!".

Good to see super non-woke Russia can't even nut up and are easily manipulated by the morally bankrupt West.

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Russia invaded it neighbor because the Ukrainian far right aka Nazi, with the US full support staged the coup of the Ukrainian government in 2014 because they don't like that this government was treating the Ukrainians in the east with Russian heritage as Equal citizens.

Only that's not quite correct is it.
First of all, I see we are back to using the 'denazification' of Ukraine as some sort of justification for the invasion of Ukraine.

The change of government occurred because Yanukovych decided not to sign an agreed Free Trade agreement with the EU, instead he decided to choose closer ties to Russia.
This provoked massive anti-government protests and as a result of government ordered attempts to break the demonstrations up an estimated 100 people were killed.

Once the coup was done the puppet Ukrainian government put in full set of rules and brand new racist laws against the peaceful Ukrainians who lived in the Donbass and the other Eastern areas.

I think you may have this a bit arse about face.
Russian funded and armed Nationalist Militias were agitating throughout Luhansk and Donetsk since at least 2011. They were terrorising non-Orthodox Christians, attacking official Ukrainian government installations/buildings etc and generally seeking a response from the new government.
That response was indeed quite brutal and repressive at times - just as The Kremlin anticipated.

As for foreign involvement: I think it is undeniable that the US offered support to the protesters. But what the Putin supporters fail to acknowledge is that at the same time Russia was at least equally involved in trying to manipulate events in their favour.

.... who wanted NOTHING MORE but to continue living the same way they had been for generations.

But they haven't lived there for generations have they.
The vast majority of 'Russian Ukrainians' are there as a result of mass migrations, much of it forced, during the large-scale industrialisation programmes implemented during post-WWII 40's & 50's.
They were concentrated in the industrialised urban areas.

And it's something of myth to believe that ethnic Russians were in the majority in Donbas before the invasion, 37% of the population were 'Russian' whilst 57% were 'Ukrainian'.
Of course, that will have changed dramatically since then.

a reply to: MisguidedAngel

Talk about revisionist history.

Yanukovych was legally impeached after he betrayed the will of the people and backed out of a trade deal with the West at the last minute because Putin essentially bribed him.

Poroshenko (who it should be noted was not the West's preferred candidate) was the legally elected in an election.

At this point, men with ties to the Russian military began leading attacks on government buildings in Donbass and the Ukrainian government launched an anti-terrorism campaign to stop them.

This eventually grew into the Ukrainian Civil War, a war that would not have occurred if Russia wasn't providing manpower, equipment, money, etc.

Of course, while all of this was going on Russia illegally annexed Crimea.

But tell us again how Russia are the good guys by invading a sovereign nation with their 50,000 strong Nazi vanguard.

a reply to: M5xaz

actual nazis complete with Nazi symbols are only found on the Ukrainian side.

Maybe you need to look just a little bit harder.

Pro-Russian Fighter With Nazi Patches Gets Medal for Killing 'Nazis'.

www.newsweek.com...