Are EV's too dangerous

a reply to: anonentity

That's an excellent point. We spend too much time enthusing over the latest shiny, shiny, toy that's been produced and not enough time asking what the bloody cost of producing it was - the full cost, environmental as well as financial.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
My wife and I are starting to think about a new car and we are considering a hybrid, based on my sister's experience with her EV. It's the charging issue - she only has a certain range, so she always has to know where she can charge up when she goes to visit our parents, who live 100+ miles away from her. It's annoying for her and would also be for us.
Now don't get me wrong, I know that EVs have come on in leaps and bounds over the past five years, let alone the past decade - they have become hugely better, with longer ranges and better reliability. It's just that they're not quite there yet, as others have said, from our perspective.
And at least they've changed one key thing about them that I found a bit worrying - you can hear them going now. The first time I got in an EV is was so quiet that it disturbed me (I only have one working ear, so being able to hear traffic is rather an important issue for me).

i also find the lack of sound highly disturbing. because of that, i have always even hated driving the EVs in GTA V, a video game for crying out loud. i actually still can't believe the lack of noise drove me berserk. and i suspect the lack of proper feel of a real engine, would also greatly effect me. probably a good thing they don't have manual transmissions due to both of those important features lacking. (and yes i know EVs don't actually have a gear changing transmission. which has always amused me, since even my good "electric" RC car, has a gear changing, automatic transmission. , just like my nitro (ICE) RC car has. heck i even have a probably close to a 40 year old, electric, RC truck (a crawler), also has a transmission in it).

so why don't full size EVs have proper transmissions? it would likely greatly extend the range, just as changing gears in a real car saves fuel. and my cousin loves his EV, except for one tiny problem, it's useless outside of the city, and so he has to also own an ICE vehicle for any time he wants to go out of town. both due to highway speeds severely lowering the milage the vehicle can travel on a charge, plus the lack of chargers available, that is IF said chargers actually work, and that is if said charger,is the charger your car needs, on top of even that. things i have also heard from other EV owners as well. is a major issue. and that is in the summer, when the battery works properly, and thus actually has it's full range. just forget about even trying in winter. i have even seen a few news stories about people being stranded, or taking all day to drive what should be a two hour trip, due to the range and charger issues, and charging times. heck there are even cases where people have been stranded, because the car wouldn't even take a charge due to the cold affecting the battery, and/or charger, so their car won't even charge, forget about the several hours it can take to charge cars in the first place. such as teslas, where the manufacturer has arbitrarily decided to remove your ability to fast charge your car.

originally posted by: ketsuko
I also think no one has thought through the implications of a bunch of travelers trying to evacuate in EVs. How do you pull that off? You're going to have travelers stuck in vehicles in the path of hurricanes or wildfires, whichever it is they're trying to escape from because logistically, they won't be able to get away on one charge and recharge that number of vehicles in any way that will let the people get out in time.

I know that's different than battery fires, but it's also a real risk as the numbers of EVs go up.

Electric cars come with a host of problems.

Can't charge them when it's freezing outside [most of the world has winter.]
Can't go far on them, you can go less far every time you charge it, that's the nature of "charge cycles."
The battery technologies are lithium based, lithium and oxygen don't mix, lithium and water don't mix. Lithium catches fire when exposed to oxygen, the temperatures and fire excite when using water to attempt to extinguish.

There is also the problem of people over using batteries, i.e. Your battery is bad it needs to be changed "I'll use it until it doesn't work anymore" is the common answer; if you do that with a lithium battery it will expand and rupture, hence causing oxygen to touch the lithium igniting a flame and then we're in the full circle of making it worse to extinguish.

There aren't enough charging stations, the charging stations don't have a power grid that can support them, so then we burn more fossil fuels to just keep the lights on.

Can't charge them when it's cold, can't charge them when it's hot. They charge at room temperature. Optimal temps for lithium to charge at 70-75 degrees Fahrenheit.

So if we have to start generators to charge electric vehicle; why are we subjecting ourselves to these bad ideas. Capitalism.

You want to solve the "carbon crisis" -- plant trees and dump iron in the oceans.

Don't drive around bombs that are going to vent with flame and throw carbon all over the place. It's been a half baked idea from the beginning. Scare the useless eaters into believing they are killing the world, sell them dangerous products that will increase cancer rates and carbon emissions.

GREAT!

All just to make a buck; none of this has to do with saving the planet.

originally posted by: robsmith

I could not handle the range and charge anxiety with sn all electric, can’t justify up to 6 hours to charge at a public charge station.

If I was a criminal and wanted an easy, captive audience for choosing victims, public recharge station sounds pretty good for that. Isolated, vulnerable, cash seems likely but credit/debit cards for sure.

I've been driving an EV for just over 2 years.

In my opinion, they just aren't a viable long term solution. Hydrogen is the way forward. My car is advertised to have a range of 208 miles. In colder months, I'm lucky to get 100 miles. In warmer months I can achieve around 160 miles. My car has a 45kw battery, I received an email today from one of the charging companies advising the charging cost was going up to 0.79 pence per kw.

45 (kw) x 0.79 (pence) = £35.55 for a full charge. If I use public charging in the winter, I'm looking at 35.55 pence per mile. The cost per mile in a 1400cc petrol engine (ICE equivalent to mine) in UK is around 14 pence per mile.

The dangers around EVs exploding aren't what will finish EVs off, it'll be the initial higher cost price & the nutty charging costs mixed in with poor colder month ranges. The whole EV thing has been a waste of time & resource.

I should add, I do enjoy driving my car but it's useless for anything but local driving. Fingers crossed it doesn't explode!

a reply to: SRPrime

You want to blame capitalism for the failure that is ev's? Ev's have propped up for decades by government subsidies and leftist mandates. They have crammed down consumers throats by executive decree. If capitalism and free market principles were allowed to dictate the viability of ev's they would have died out a long time ago. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for some governmental support for emerging technologies and determining economic feasibilities, but the pig that the green agenda has become, feeding on the government teat has nothing to do with capitalism.

I drive carbureted pre computer Detroit steel. I don’t plan on changing anytime soon. For what an EV or hybrid costs, I’ll never spend that money on fuel for multiple vehicles in a lifetime. You can keep your EV garbage. I tried to get something newer but the prices continued to rise and the price to value wasn’t there.

The problem is with the batteries, Lithium reacts to water, a those batteries are supposed to be built like a tank to keep it out. Thing is water or moisture is virtually every where, an batteries do go to #.

And not everyone has a reactive metal fire extinguisher.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

I will admit that I have considered a hybrid for my next commuter vehicle. It might just be practical in that context.

I'll be a Nostradamus, believe my or not, but keep your ear to the ground and you will get it. Western governments have already come to the conclusion that EVs wont go. They are quietly instructing the car companies not to go fully over to EV production and to retain combustion engines. It's really as simple as this, all the western nation are struggling now with the lack of capacity and more importantly the lack of infrastructure of the electric grids. And that is with the few EVs now. But the climate alarmist have got hold of the steering wheel and it will have to be prised out of their dead hands.

Assholes worried about saving the planet should ride bicycles, problem solved.

a reply to: Brotherman

Yes agreed and doing a hundred miles a day isn't that hard either.

a reply to: anonentity

Just looked into the aftermath of the last hurricane in FL. About a week or 2 after the initial flooding they started having a lot of house fires because people who had evacuated had EVs in their garage...which the flood cause the batteries to corrode. Next thing you know house fires everywhere.

originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
a reply to: anonentity

That's an excellent point. We spend too much time enthusing over the latest shiny, shiny, toy that's been produced and not enough time asking what the bloody cost of producing it was - the full cost, environmental as well as financial.

This is really sad for me. I have been on the the water into Hydrogen concept for use "on demand" that I know about the prototype. There is a car that can use water or Hydrogen removed from water as a power source and Al Gore was teaching at the school that invented it, but never ever has spoken about it. Sad is not the worst of it when they promote BS ideas like EV's. More proof that the DS goons want to control us and are not giving a damn about the environment.

a reply to: RickyD

So everyone is forced into EVs and then the grid can't handle it so you are stuffed in the fifteen-minute city. It gets more ludicrous the more you think about it. Not only that they can be switched off remotely. Sounds like you are paying out big money to get stuffed around.

a reply to: AngryCymraeg

That’s great, though having a young kids, I can’t expect them to wait for a while to charge up.

With a hydrid, it’s just a quick fuel stop, grab a bite to eat go to the loo.

On your way in half an hour.

Considering it’s a big car it’s comfy, and fuel efficient.

We recently did a trip of about 250 kilometres and only used about 13 litres of fuel. This was country driving, so stop start recharging didn’t kick in much.

a reply to: anonentity

I truly agree. It’s really about controlling movement, and restrictions on your personal freedom.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Brotherman

Yes agreed and doing a hundred miles a day isn't that hard either.

Driving a hundred miles a day doesn’t seem reasonable unless its for work or going to and from work in which case killing the planet a little bit is ok 👍🏾

Just wait for the incoming Hazmat fee's for Ev accidents. And then probably additional insurance coverage that will have to be paid for to cover such fee's.

a reply to: anonentity

Almost got run down by an EV used by the Post Office here in the UK. Heard nothing turned around and it was just pulling up. Must be a nightmare for all the druggies who are out of their minds!