Netanyahu fires defense minister for urging halt to overhaul

******Disclaimer this is not a doom porn thread, this is about the firing of Israel's Defense Minister and its causes and possible ramifications short of the end of the world *******

Netanyahu fires defense minister for urging a halt to overhaul

Don't know enough about Israeli politics, but this sounds semi-ominous. Yes, it is probably BS but it also probably put the IDF on alert. Corruption in their courts Im looking for more info.

anybody else got some insight...

apnews.com...

Israelis opposed to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's judicial overhaul plan block a highway during a protest moments after the Israeli leader fired his defense minister, in Tel Aviv, Israel, Sunday, March 26, 2023. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had called on Netanyahu to freeze the plan, citing deep divisions in the country and turmoil in the military. (AP Photo/Oren Ziv)
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Israelis opposed to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's judicial overhaul plan block a highway during a protest moments after the Israeli leader fired his defense minister, in Tel Aviv, Israel, Sunday, March 26, 2023. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had called on Netanyahu to freeze the plan, citing deep divisions in the country and turmoil in the military. (AP Photo/Oren Ziv)
JERUSALEM (AP) — Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu abruptly fired his defense minister on Sunday, a day after he called on the Israeli leader to halt a planned judicial overhaul that has fiercely divided the country and prompted growing discontent within the ranks of the military. Tens of thousands of protesters took to the streets of Tel Aviv, blocking a main highway, following the announcement.

The dismissal signaled that Netanyahu will move ahead this week with the overhaul plan, which has sparked mass protests, angered military and business leaders and raised concerns among Israel’s allies. Defense Minister Yoav Gallant had been the first senior member of the ruling Likud party to speak out against the plan.

In a brief statement, Netanyahu’s office said the prime minister had dismissed Gallant. Netanyahu later tweeted “we must all stand strong against refusal.”

Tens of thousands of Israelis poured into the streets in protest after Netanyahu’s announcement, blocking Tel Aviv’s main artery, transforming the Ayalon highway into a sea of blue-and-white Israeli flags and lighting a large bonfire in the middle of the road. Demonstrations took place in Beersheba, Haifa and Jerusalem, where thousands of people gathered outside Netanyahu’s private residence.


Gallant had voiced concerns that the divisions in society were hurting morale in the military and emboldening Israel’s enemies across the region. “I see how the source of our strength is being eroded,” Gallant said.

While several other Likud members had indicated they might follow Gallant, the party quickly closed ranks on Sunday, clearing the way for his dismissal.

Galit Distal Atbaryan, Netanyahu’s public diplomacy minister, said that Netanyahu summoned Gallant to his office and told him “that he doesn’t have any faith in him anymore and therefore he is fired.”

Gallant tweeted shortly after the announcement that “the security of the state of Israel always was and will always remain my life mission.”

Opposition leader Yair Lapid said that Gallant’s dismissal “harms national security and ignores warnings of all defense officials.”

“The prime minister of Israel is a threat to the security of the state of Israel,” Lapid wrote on Twitter.

Avi Dichter, a former chief of the Shin Bet security agency, is expected to replace him. Dichter had reportedly flirted with joining Gallant but instead announced Sunday he was backing the prime minister.

Netanyahu’s government is pushing ahead for a parliamentary vote this week on a centerpiece of the overhaul — a law that would give the governing coalition the final say over all judicial appointments. It also seeks to pass laws that would grant parliament the authority to override Supreme Court decisions with a basic majority and limit judicial review of laws.

Netanyahu and his allies say the plan will restore a balance between the judicial and executive branches and rein in what they see as an interventionist court with liberal sympathies.

But critics say the constellation of laws will remove the checks and balances in Israel’s democratic system and concentrate power in the hands of the governing coalition. They also say that Netanyahu, who is on trial for corruption charges, has a conflict of interest.

Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets over the past three months to demonstrate against the plan in the largest demonstrations in the country’s 75-year history.

Leaders of Israel’s vibrant high-tech industry have said the changes will scare away investors, former top security officials have spoken out against the plan and key allies, including the United States and Germany, have voiced concerns.

a reply to: putnam6

Netanyahu looks increasingly isolated , another election imminent ?

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: putnam6

Netanyahu looks increasingly isolated , another election imminent ?_javascript:news()

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Seeing certain possible parallels, conservative vs liberal as long as it's organic it's fine, in this day and age there are loads of entities that would love turmoil in Israel.

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Meanwhile, an Israeli good governance group on Sunday asked the country’s Supreme Court to punish Netanyahu for allegedly violating a conflict of interest agreement meant to prevent him from dealing with the country’s judiciary while he is on trial for corruption.

The Movement for Quality Government in Israel, a fierce opponent of the overhaul, asked the court to force Netanyahu to obey the law and sanction him either with a fine or prison time for not doing so. It said he was not above the law.

a reply to: putnam6

I think Natanyahu is playing his hand incredibly bad.

In the past he’s leaned into being a hawk against Iran. Formerly, Israel and Saudi Arabia challenged Iran’s influence in the region.

Saudi Arabia is proving to be incredibly unpredictable with the young blood they have steering the ship. He’s a wild card, and even by their standards, they’re becoming erratic.

Couple that with Iran supposedly very close to a nuclear weapon, Bibi has strong footing to make his case without throwing off the balance of their government.

Politicians often act like they have to take extreme measures for the people. So maybe his case or logic is that their version of the deep state is undermining him and putting Israel at risk.

But you don’t risk the core institution for your gamble. He won’t be there forever, and giving the executive more power is an eventual handoff to his opponents.

The point should be in free nations we don’t ever want one person to wield that much power, even if we agree with the current guy.

The people are understandably pushing back. I wish we would have done the same with things like the patriot act which has dawned an era where citizens are often the target, not real enemies.

But to your ominous point to outcomes, I actually agree. This creates a small spark in yet another region of the world.

We’re watching the depolarization of the world. And Iran who has been largely irrelevant is getting the chance at a foothold while their allies do the same.

We are all witnesses to a possible historic period in modern times. Regardless of anyone’s opinion of Israel, this couldn’t come at a worse time.

I’ll be honest that I have nothing but negative opinions of Saudi Arabia’s government, but again, their ambiguity couldn’t come at a worse time.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: putnam6

I think Natanyahu is playing his hand incredibly bad.

In the past he’s leaned into being a hawk against Iran. Formerly, Israel and Saudi Arabia challenged Iran’s influence in the region.

Saudi Arabia is proving to be incredibly unpredictable with the young blood they have steering the ship. He’s a wild card, and even by their standards, they’re becoming erratic.

Couple that with Iran supposedly very close to a nuclear weapon, Bibi has strong footing to make his case without throwing off the balance of their government.

Politicians often act like they have to take extreme measures for the people. So maybe his case or logic is that their version of the deep state is undermining him and putting Israel at risk.

But you don’t risk the core institution for your gamble. He won’t be there forever, and giving the executive more power is an eventual handoff to his opponents.

The point should be in free nations we don’t ever want one person to wield that much power, even if we agree with the current guy.

The people are understandably pushing back. I wish we would have done the same with things like the patriot act which has dawned an era where citizens are often the target, not real enemies.

But to your ominous point to outcomes, I actually agree. This creates a small spark in yet another region of the world.

We’re watching the depolarization of the world. And Iran who has been largely irrelevant is getting the chance at a foothold while their allies do the same.

We are all witnesses to a possible historic period in modern times. Regardless of anyone’s opinion of Israel, this couldn’t come at a worse time.

I’ll be honest that I have nothing but negative opinions of Saudi Arabia’s government, but again, their ambiguity couldn’t come at a worse time.

Well, it's getting more historic every day. Ironic how it seems continued instability in one country begets instability in other countries. I stopped trusting Israel years ago but it doesn't mean I'm picking any sides here either. Whatever is going on needs to stop before it has further ramifications beyond the middle east. I'd imagine Wall Street will be an indicator if this is as serious as it sounds or not. A shakeup isn't good either but it sounds like he had better withdraw the overhaul or they will find a way to make that happen. The blurb in red below does not sound promising

www.timesofisrael.com...

Local authorities say they’ll join strike: ‘Israel almost at point of no return’

Haim Bibas, the chairman of the Federation of Local Authorities, announces that municipalities and local councils will join the general strike along with the Histadrut labor union and medical unions.

“The rift in the people and the tremendous chaos that Israel is in has reached the point of almost no return,” says Bibas, a senior member of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s Likud party and the mayor of the central city of Modiin.

“We call on the prime minister to stop the legislation immediately and cancel the dismissal of the defense minister, with whom we have working relations in the field of cities’ and home front security,” he says.

The announcement comes shortly after Histadrut head Arnon Bar-David says the “historic” general strike will begin as soon as today if Netanyahu does not announce a halt to the judicial overhaul.

Departures have already been halted at Ben Gurion Airport.

No new time is giving for the speech, which had been expected to include an announcement of a freeze to the controversial legislation.

Channel 12 news reports that National Security Minister Itamar Ben Gvir has threatened to quit the coalition, during a meeting of faction heads.

Unnamed Likud lawmakers tell the Walla news site that Justice Minister Yariv Levin is pressuring Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich and Ben Gvir to threaten Netanyahu with the dissolution of the government if the legal overhaul is stopped.

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Israel thrown into chaos with flights grounded by general strike in fury at Netanyahu
Israel's largest trade union group launched a strike across a broad swath of sectors Monday, joining a surging protest movement against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's plan to overhaul the judiciary.

The Israeli Airports Authority said flights out of the main international airports have been grounded following the launch of a general strike.

The strike by the Histadrut umbrella group, which represents more than 700,000 workers in health, transit and banking, among many other fields, could paralyse large parts of Israel's economy, which is already on shaky ground, ratcheting up the pressure on Netanyahu to suspend the overhaul.

The growing resistance to the plan came hours after tens of thousands of people burst into the streets around the country in a spontaneous show of anger at Netanyahu’s decision to fire his defense minister after he called for a pause to the overhaul. Chanting “the country is on fire,” they lit bonfires on Tel Aviv's main highway, closing the throughway and many others throughout the country for hours.

Netanyahu is and has always been a psycopath... a man like him should never have been handed any form of power.

He is pretty much the iron boot of radical judaism. A jewish Hitler if you will.

Hopefully this will result in him being forced out of office and further down the road to his conviction. Then we can only hope he will die in prison.

for those interested, I can't find a better source if you want to follow along

www.timesofisrael.com...

live TV coverage though it's in Hebrew

www.kan.org.il...

PM warns against violence amid huge rallies, push for right-wing counterprotest
Netanyahu makes first public remark since unprecedented protests began over Gallant firing; he meets Ben Gvir, who’s threatened to quit; banks, shops close in nationwide strike

The Times of Israel is liveblogging Monday’s events as they happen.

2min ago
‘We won’t give up’: Tens of thousands outside Knesset as rally kicks into high gear
By CARRIE KELLER-LYNN

Israelis protest outside the Knesset against the government's planned judicial overhaul, in Jerusalem, March 27, 2023.
Holding an Israeli flag high about her head, key anti-overhaul protest organizer Shikma Bressler leads the crowd of tens of thousands at the Knesset gates in chanting: “We won’t give up!”

Bressler was arrested at a protest last week and was later released.

Former IDF chief of staff Dan Halutz says: “Remember March 27, 2023.”

“It’s the day that you succeeded in stopping Israel from becoming a dictatorship,” he says.

“Our goal is to reach agreements, but not be destroyed,” he says of Israeli society, expressing his wish to continue protests until an agreed-upon judicial reform solution is reached.

As the protest kicks into high gear, a protester faints, interrupting Halutz’s speech as the police rush into the crowd to help.

“The police are our brothers,” some demonstrators start to cheer.

6min ago
Israeli diplomatic missions around the world go on strike amid overhaul upheaval
The Histadrut national labor union instructs all government employees to go on strike, including in all of Israel’s diplomatic missions around the world.

A spokesperson for Israel’s Embassy in the United States confirms it has shut down until further notice.

Today (3/27), the Histadrut, Israel's largest labor union, instructed all government employees to go on strike, including Israel’s diplomatic missions around the world. The Embassy of Israel will be closed today until further notice and no consular services will be provided.

— Elad Strohmayer (@EladStr) March 27, 2023

11min ago
Driver apparently tries to run over anti-overhaul protesters in Tel Aviv
Footage emerged of a motorist apparently attempting to run over anti-overhaul protesters on Yigal Alon Street in Tel Aviv.

The car then flees, with eyewitnesses saying police didn’t try to stop it.

מפגינים ניסו לחסום את הכביש ברחוב יגאל אלון בת"א – נהג רכב האיץ לעברם pic.twitter.com/szgAkjVQXd

— אדם קוטב | adam kutub (@adam_kutub) March 27, 2023

13min ago
2 protesters enter Knesset, shout at minister before being whisked away
Demonstrators who oppose the government's planned judicial overhaul shout at Education Minister Yoav Kisch at the Knesset in Jerusalem, March 27, 2023.
Two protesters enter the Knesset building and shout at Education Minister Yoav Kisch that he should resign.

They are quickly bundled away by security guards.

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6min ago
Israeli diplomatic missions around the world go on strike amid overhaul upheaval
The Histadrut national labor union instructs all government employees to go on strike, including in all of Israel’s diplomatic missions around the world.

More on that

Israel’s London embassy has shut down, joining a worldwide strike of diplomats over Neatnyahu's proposed judicial overhaul.

The embassy has not issued a statement but has shut down “to join the general strike.”

The unprecedented decision follows the example of American embassy announcing it too would join the strike and “shut down until further notice.”

Over the weekend, Israel’s Consul General in New York, Asaf Zamir, announced his resignation over Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s firing of Defence Minister Yoav Gallant.
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Israeli Embassies around the world going on strike because of the intended actions of the PM is a big deal , Neatnyahu will have no option but to cancel his plans and piss off the hardliners in his shaky (keep me out of jail) coalition government.

Israel needs to take a long good look at itself and review the way the country is governed , another election is on the horizon.

"I agreed to remove the veto to reject the legislation in exchange for a commitment by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu that the legislation would be submitted to the Knesset for approval in the next session," Mr Ben-Gvir said.
news.sky.com...

The Extreme-right leader Mr Ben-Gvir has called a truce.

a reply to: putnam6

IMO, legal systems in which the judiciary can influence who is allowed into their ranks and who may follow in their footsteps tend to becoming closed clubs with monolithic views.

I've no idea if Netanyahu is gaming the situation or not, but those kind of judiciaries can end up with lopsided amounts of influence on government policy.

Cheers

It's quite easy and all you need to know is just What it's about. Simply, Netanyatu wants to take the final judgements off the courts and wants the government to have the last say. Think on that one then understand why they are rioting.

a reply to: putnam6

Do people still believe that all the riots and protests happening simultaneously worldwide are all coincidental?

I bet something global is in the works....

PS sorry didnt mean to doom porn the thread!

originally posted by: combatmaster
a reply to: putnam6

Do people still believe that all the riots and protests happening simultaneously worldwide are all coincidental?

I bet something global is in the works....

PS sorry didnt mean to doom porn the thread!

LOL no worries LOL just joking had too many quick doom porn quotes on a few threads recently.

Yours brings up a possible reason behind these riots and how they possibly parallel here in America and elsewhere

FDR said if anything happens politically you can be sure it was planned to happen that way.

I'm open to the globalist angle, it's a piece of compelling circumstantial evidence but it's missing the smoking gun.

but Im old school, hell we could have found out Mossad facilitated our riots and this is payback. I doubt it's completely organic and certainly has an organized element to it.

being Israel it could be dozens of potential groups behind it

a reply to: putnam6

This is a direct attack on the deepstate. The old guard will fall. Its gona take a while but its going.

a reply to: combatmaster

Do people still believe that all the riots and protests happening simultaneously worldwide are all coincidental?

Bingo.. Surprises me that peeps dont see.. virus / MS13 take down / bank failure / Ukraine and more all linked

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: putnam6

This is a direct attack on the deepstate. The old guard will fall. Its gona take a while but its going.

It's a possibility too, it has a feel like something is happening in the background.

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: combatmaster

Do people still believe that all the riots and protests happening simultaneously worldwide are all coincidental?

Bingo.. Surprises me that peeps dont see.. virus / MS13 take down / bank failure / Ukraine and more all linked

Respectfully and in an attempt at an honest discussion

It isn't that we don't see, it's that all evidence is circumstantial and there is a difference between pushing the buttons and making chit happen and just being in the know and taking advantage of certain situations.

It's like a socio-political game of 6 degrees from Kevin Bacon...

Being a vet ATSer Im open to the idea and want to know more and see more evidence, but I mostly just piss off the ardent believers cause I question too much.

We can still have the corrupt and powerful taking advantage of every situation and manipulating them a lot of the time, without the vast conspiracy stuff.

Hell, we got people on here thinking cows dying in the heat in Kansas last year is because of Soros and Klaus... I'm open to it being possible

but would like a primer on the whole theory and since I don't know enough about Israel how its current upheaval has anything to do with anything except BN trying to change laws while he is under investigation for corruption.

a reply to: putnam6

Hey it depends where you are sitting and what you are watching. Been waiting for this and it wont be going away. .. Firth generation warfare at its finest.

All the narratives i mentioned and many others have a pattern that has been unfolding. I see pattern and connectivity here and have been waiting to see the deepstate challenged in Isis Rah EL. The judicial overhaul is the removal of deepstate cartel. It is not about removing democracy as the propganda papers would have you believe..

This has been left to later in the game because its towards the top of the pyramid.. Just like Xi is challenging the CCP in China and Russia in Ukraine / biden / clinton connection. We are ushering in a new age. In doing so you will see the removal of cartels. Ie like MS13 ( foot soldiers of the deepstate - tens of thousands now arrested. Connected to the Seth RIch Murders too. Same reason USA is now talking about sending miltary against cartels in Mexico.

OLd gaurd is falling that much is evident. Lett see what replaces it.
Isreal.. saving the best to last ;-)

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: putnam6

Hey it depends where you are sitting and what you are watching. Been waiting for this and it wont be going away. .. Firth generation warfare at its finest.

All the narratives i mentioned and many others have a pattern that has been unfolding. I see pattern and connectivity here and have been waiting to see the deepstate challenged in Isis Rah EL. The judicial overhaul is the removal of deepstate cartel. It is not about removing democracy as the propganda papers would have you believe..

This has been left to later in the game because its towards the top of the pyramid.. Just like Xi is challenging the CCP in China and Russia in Ukraine / biden / clinton connection. We are ushering in a new age. In doing so you will see the removal of cartels. Ie like MS13 ( foot soldiers of the deepstate - tens of thousands now arrested. Connected to the Seth RIch Murders too. Same reason USA is now talking about sending miltary against cartels in Mexico.

OLd gaurd is falling that much is evident. Lett see what replaces it.
Isreal.. saving the best to last ;-)

You could be right who knows, but obviously, this has taken you years to come to this conclusion, it didn't just pop into your head.

So where did this evolve from, if this is so prevalent one would think there is a few sources you could share that detail its roots, or are we supposed to believe the deep state is so effective they have restricted every reference from print, video, and the internet.

What if the deep state is just another name for this generation's boogeyman, that all governments need to motivate and distract the masses?

Hell in the 1600s it was witches, plagues
1700s religious persecution and monarchies more plagues
1800s industrialization tycoons, Boss Tweed politics, slavery, and reconstruction
1900s World War I, Dust Bowl the Great Depression, Hitler/Nazis/Japan/Imperialism communism nuclear threat MIC
2000s Islamic terrorism, Global warming

and that's just off the top of my head, the mythical Deep State roots in America probably really began to grow in the 1800s.

a reply to: putnam6

he mythical Deep State roots in America probably really began to grow in the 1800s.

I think it became rather evident when (to speak broadly) the CIA blew JFKs brains out.

and in terms of censorship yes since early projects like MK ultra (early mind control) and later the likes of Mockingbird (insertion of deepstate actors into media. the organisation has dominated control over the information portals. Later exabated and warped under Obama who past laws allowing for propaganda to be used on the home populace. Deepstate steped up its gain with revolving door policies withe the likes of google / microsoft / twitter / google etc. Its be no accident that Susan Wojcicki (CIA asset) has stepped down for youtube now. Twitter too is now no longer controlled by the old guard.

Happy to tap more morrow if u want.. gtg )