Super Jews and Haughty Italians

a reply to: ufoorbhunter

South Africa is, was and will always be run by very powerful entities from outside of our borders.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
I would like to add: I've worked for people that have smuggled physical gold and pallets of cash out of a country through a well known airport onto their private jet.

These things can and do happen, a lot of wealth is moved like this and simply go off grid to be laundered back into the system somewhere else.

Enough to change their lives but not even remotely close to influence world finance.

a reply to: 19Bones79

They are not exactly Jews, they are Sabbateans. An accurate example of a super Jew would be Maimonides, Rashi or Rabbi Akiva. Empathic, righteous men of good will... these are Jews!

Not the banksters and business moguls in suits!

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Let me ask you this.

If you managed to rise to the position of most powerful family in the world, would you announce it or create a myth that enables you to move freely as you pull the levers from behind the curtains?

If you are the face of wealth and power, people would have a visible entity upon which to focus their woes, real or imagined.

But the reality is that they are "the face of wealth and power" on ATS and every other conspiracy theory source, website or so-called "truth" (seeking) movement (or was that already part of the point you were making?). Either they really messed up their whole cover-up or the real powers that be have done a remarkably efficient job at distracting people* with the trivial. *: especially those with perhaps a slightly higher potential of waking up to the more important conspiracy (or deception) perpetrated on mankind.


Babylon the Great (Reasoning From the Scriptures)
Identifying the Wild Beast and Its Mark

... Likewise, those having the mark of the beast proclaim their servitude to the beast. Thus, the mark, whether on the right hand or on the forehead, figuratively speaking, is a symbol that identifies its bearer as one who gives worshipful support to the beastlike political systems of the world. Those having the mark give to “Caesar” that which rightly belongs to God. (Luke 20:25; Revelation 13:4, 8; 14:1) How? By giving worshipful honor to the political state, its symbols, and its military might, to which they look for hope and salvation. Any worship that they render the true God is merely lip service.

In contrast, the Bible urges us: “Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:3, 4) Those who heed that wise counsel are not disillusioned when governments fail to deliver on their promises or when charismatic leaders fall from grace.​—Proverbs 1:33.

This does not mean that true Christians sit back and do nothing about mankind’s plight. On the contrary, they actively proclaim the one government that will solve mankind’s problems​—God’s Kingdom, which they represent.​—Matthew 24:14.

God’s Kingdom​—Mankind’s Only Hope

...

As Communism began to disintegrate, U.S. president Bush popularized the concept of “a new world order.” However, as many political leaders have discovered, smart slogans are cheap; positive changes are much more difficult to accomplish. In our time powerful nations, notably “the king of the north” and “the king of the south,” have struggled for world domination. (Daniel 11:40) Patriotic fervor has been whipped up, and the cult of emperor worship has a modern-day counterpart in the wave of nationalism that has swept the earth. Back in 1946, British historian Arnold Toynbee wrote: “Patriotism . . . has very largely superseded Christianity as the religion of the Western World.” Concerning this "worshipful honor to the political state" (worship of the state):

Flag Salute, Voting, and Civilian Service
Flag Salute, Anthems and Voting
Military Service
Nationalism
As opposed to:
Neutrality
Chapter 14: “They Are No Part of the World”

Although I don't like the racist title of this video, they do have a point (in the video, not the title):

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Being a Freemason, I take it you are well aware of how your brotherhood has influenced history in a manner that has not and will never be reflected accurately by the history books?

Not only in the US but in most countries, do you agree?

The point I'm making is that so much more happens behind the scenes in world history that is never openly admitted to.

Do you agree?

Whether you or I can come up with an explanation or not of how Rothschild wealth is managed through proxies and/or hidden off the books does not take away from the fact that:

1) The Rothschilds financed Europe
2)The diamond trade
3)controlled the price of gold
4) Were involved in the slave trade
5)played a huge roll in the Dutch East Indian Company's endeavors
6)Had a direct hand in the formation of the US Federal reserve bank
7) Set up the Bank of International Settlements in a country that remains 'neutral' during world wars
8)Is known to finance war, on both sides

Hamilton
One of those was creating a national bank. In December 1790, Hamilton submitted a report to Congress in which he outlined his proposal. Hamilton used the charter of the Bank of England as the basis for his plan.

1791: The First Bank of the United States
After Alexander Hamilton spearheaded a movement advocating the creation of a central bank, the First Bank of the United States was established in 1791.

The First Bank of the United States had a capital stock of $10 million, $2 million of which was subscribed by the federal government, while the remainder was subscribed by private individuals. Five of the 25 directors were appointed by the U.S. government, while the 20 others were chosen by the private investors in the Bank.

The First Bank of the United States was headquartered in Philadelphia, but had branches in other major cities. The Bank performed the basic banking functions of accepting deposits, issuing bank notes, making loans and purchasing securities. It was a nationwide bank and was in fact the largest corporation in the United States. As a result of its influence, the Bank was of considerable use to both American commerce and the federal government.

However, the Bank's influence was frightening to many people. The Bank's charter ran for twenty years, and when it expired in 1811, a proposal to renew the charter failed by the margin of a single vote in each house of Congress. Chaos quickly ensued, brought on by the War of 1812 and by the lack of a central regulating mechanism over banking and credit.

So this was during the time when the Rothschilds wealth was described as

According to historian Niall Ferguson in 1999, "For most of the nineteenth century, N M Rothschild was part of the biggest bank in the world which dominated the international bond market. For a contemporary equivalent, one has to imagine a merger between Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan Chase & Co. and probably Goldman Sachs too—as well, perhaps, as the International Monetary Fund, given the nineteenth-century Rothschild's role in stabilizing the finances of numerous governments."[9]

The Rothschilds had a hand everywhere Europe established colonies, and part from diamonds, gold etc their main claim to fame was banking.

They knew the United States was to be the world's next superpower.

They entered the US by stealth.

This could be because as a family they had already gained so much power that they needed to downplay their own success but also because they needed allies to run their ever-expanding business because they only had so many family members that were already preoccupied within other countries running those centers of power and influence.


Here's what was said of Hamilton by some of his contemporaries (of course, dressed up in the accusation of anti-semitism) :

He was repeatedly accused of pursuing policies to enrich Jewish financiers overseas. When Hamilton’s vision for a Bank of the United States materialized and its stock subscriptions quickly sold out, an editorial in a Philadelphia newspaper complained, “The only infallible way to wealth in our country is to be neither honest nor industrious. . . .The late sudden subscriptions to the national bank are ample proofs.” The author fingered “Amsterdam Jews” as among those who were bereft of “honesty or industry” and benefitting from the bank. This contribution appeared under the pseudonym “Square Toes,” an allusion to inexpensive wooden footwear. Readers of the time would have understood that the pen name was intended to signal solidarity with the humble multitudes, whom allegedly predatory Jews were fleecing. Although the editorialist explicitly referred to Dutch rather than domestic Jews, derogatory descriptions of Jews in Europe could only served to harm the reputation of those in America.

It seems a lot of people were unhappy about Hamilton's relationship with Banker Jews from Europe (Rothschilds) :

As Hamilton lobbied Congress to consolidate the national debt and implement excise taxes to pay it off, an antagonistic poem appearing in a newspaper notably alluded to both Hamilton’s roots in the West Indies and his associations with Jewish people. The poet referred to the treasury secretary as “Belcour,” a character in a play who hailed from the Caribbean:

“Tax on Tax,” young Belcour cries,

More imposts and a new excise.

“A public debt’s a public blessing,

Which ’tis of course a crime to lessen.”

Each day a fresh report he broaches,

That Spies and Jews may ride in coaches.

Soldiers and Farmers, don’t despair,

Untax’d as yet, are Earth and Air.

Untaxed as yet.... are Earth and Air...



Of course you can disagree with my conclusions.


But you cannot deny that there is always a connection to the Rothschilds throughout American banking history right from the very start.


Where we differ is what that means.


For me it is obvious that they became so powerful that they had to become much more discreet and any accusations of their involvement was quickly met with shouts of 'anti-semitism' which to this day is how they drown out any serious claims of the extent of their power and influence.


For such a complete domination of world events and markets and the financial sector and funding of wars to a small $8 billion dollar company in 2023?


I don't believe it for one second.

a reply to: combatmaster

I also believe that those I'm referring to are not true Jews, but they have hijacked and taken over control of that very identity.


I have worked with and befriended quite a few ordinary Jewish people in my life, and as a people I find myself getting along with them exceptionally well.

I have stated this numerous times in the past but will do so tirelessly now and very likely for all time on ATS because that is my experience which makes up my truth.

a reply to: whereislogic

No, they are not.


And using a small site like ATS to prove your point does in fact not prove your point.


The official narrative is the one where power and influence resides, and the official narrative is that which AM is parroting which is that they are small and inconsequential.

How one belongs to a society that are keepers of secrets and yet comes to a conspiracy website to proclaim "believe the official story!"...


That takes the cake in my opinion.

And in a sense, that is exactly how someone would behave if they were to run interference.


Not an accusation, just an observation.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Yup

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: whereislogic

No, they are not.

Must have imagined this thread and all the other threads on ATS presenting or mentioning the Rothschild family as being involved in the higher echelons of power and wealth then (a point I do not disagree with, in case you got that impression or want to read that into my comment to then respond to, so you have something to disagree with). Or all the youtube videos about the New World Order or the elite (or Illuminati, Freemasonry, etc.) that I have seen that have brought up the Rothschild's banking business as either a major player or at the very top of the pyramid. Such as this one (at 0:42 the narrator almost makes the same observation I made in my first sentence, the one I assume you are disagreeing with, perhaps you are less inclined to disagree with the way the narrator below phrases it, that's the observation I was sharing, I was just incorporating your words in my response):

And using a small site like ATS to prove your point does in fact not prove your point.

The first part of my 'point' (more of an observation actually) was about ATS, it was not used as an example to 'prove my point'. The 2nd part might have included a bit of hyperbole, but that can be fixed by adding "that I have seen" to "every other conspiracy theory source, website or so-called "truth" (seeking) movement". Since that is how I meant it (didn't feel like typing it all out, didn't think it would be necessary cause I thought it was obvious what I meant with that; of course if someone wants to read something else into it, they can, perhaps no matter how much I type out to nip that in the bud).

The official narrative is the one where power and influence resides, and the official narrative is that which AM is parroting which is that they are small and inconsequential.

Well, you may have been conversing with AM concerning the official narrative in the part of the comment I was responding to, but I was not. My first sentence concerns my observation of what conspiracy theorists (or similar sources), like yourself, are talking about when it comes to the Rothschild family. The 2nd sentence has a point about that observation. The official narrative was of no interest to me when making my comment about alternative narratives concerning the Rothschild family (followed up by addressing the question "Who really rules the world?" I.e. who has even more power than the Rothschild family, regardless of where exactly you place them in the pyramid if you use that symbolism to depict the hierarchy of the world).

How one belongs to a society that are keepers of secrets and yet comes to a conspiracy website to proclaim "believe the official story!"...

I assume you're talking about AM? Since none of that applies to me. 1. I am not a member of any named "society that are keepers of secrets" (just a member of society in general, in a technical sense). 2. I did not proclaim "believe the official story!" or anything like it. If anything, I was doing the opposite.

Could it be that you object to my comment because it does not go along with the official story that nationalism is a counter or stands opposed to what has been termed a "new world order" (quoting Bush, as in my previous comment)? Or the official story that patriotism and nationalism are good things (as promoted by many conspiracy theorists, like Alex Jones or QAnon for example) and not means to divide and conquer, as used by the real rulers of this world? Or the official story that human beings are the secret rulers of this world (elite or otherwise)?

a reply to: whereislogic

You're all over the place.

I'm not interested in your religious spin so don't waste my time just linking to videos that had nothing to do with this thread.

The first part of my 'point' (observation actually) was about ATS, it was not used as an example to 'prove my point'.

Yawn.

But the reality is that they are "the face of wealth and power" on ATS

On any given day it's Putin, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, Progressive Marxism, China, Blackrock and Vanguard, George Soros or Elon Musk that wants to take over control of the world. This is not about the face of wealth and power as you want to frame it but who is ultimately running things behind the scenes. There is a difference.

On any given thread about the Rothschilds there is either minimal interest or people who challenge the idea.

Well, you may have been conversing with AM concerning the official narrative in the part of the comment I was responding to, but I was not.

Yes, you just inserted yourself into a response meant for AM, and went from there to wasting my time with irrelevant youtube videos,completely diverting the conversation.

I assume you're talking about AM? Since none of that applies to me. 1. I am not a member of any named society (just a member of society in general, in a technical sense). 2. I did not proclaim "believe the official story!" or anything like it.

I swear it's like talking to a drunk.

Could it be that you object to my comment because it does not go along with the official story that nationalism is a counter or stands opposed to globalism and the plans regarding a New World Order?

The topic... is the Rothschild family.

like Alex Jones or QAnon for example

Jesus Christ.

Or the official story that human beings rule this world (elite or otherwise)?

Perhaps you should write an OP with all these ideas of yours, and I'll come and post a Pokémon playthrough video.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: kwakakev

CBDC's are the final nail in the coffin for us I believe.

There is nothing more effective in a totalitarian world view when you are able to cut a person off from their money based upon behavior that the government rates on a scale.


We will live in a world of edicts,no more than trained monkeys in an open air circus.


The question becomes how badly do you want that peanut?

Better perform the right tricks.

Hmm... Then Better to Destroy it All and Start Over . The Next Great Reset could come on a Globalists Extinction Event ushering in a Decentralized New World View ,,,,,,,,,,,,

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: whereislogic

You're all over the place.

I'm not interested in your religious spin so don't waste my time just linking to videos that had nothing to do with this thread.

Sorry, didn't know for sure that any mention of those influencing the behaviour and actions of the Rothschild family, as well as their rise to power, would upset you. I don't consider it off-topic or a waste of time to look into though. It's just one step further down the rabbit hole than you are willing to take.

This is not about the face of wealth and power as you want to frame it but who is ultimately running things behind the scenes. There is a difference.

Who is "ultimately running things" for the Rothschild family? Is that not what I was talking about and where our disagreement lies? I see the members of the Rothschild family as pawns in a larger game run by nonhuman beings, so they (these beings) are "ultimately running things" as you put it. As I said, I'm taking it one step further, I'm talking about who is ultimately running things. Whereas the Rothschild family are often "the face of wealth and power" by presenting them as the ones "ultimately running things" (your terms) in the presentations of conspiracy theorists that I've seen (on ATS or elsewhere), as they are presented in this thread.

On any given thread about the Rothschilds there is either minimal interest or people who challenge the idea.

Maybe they don't challenge it because they already view the Rothschilds as both "the face of wealth and power" as well as "who is ultimately running things", or either one of the 2. Cause they've heard it over and over from conspiracy theorists on youtube or other alternative media (or elsewhere) and believed it to be important, perhaps in their minds placing them at the top of their view of this world's hierarchy, just as many conspiracy theorists do (especially when they are using pyramid symbols, I've seen several pyramids with the Rothschilds represented by the capstone as it then was explained by the one talking about it). Want to know what google's top result was when I searched for "most frequently mentioned family name in conspiracy theories"? It was the wikipage for the Rothschild family. It still looks to me that they are "the face of wealth and power" in conspiracy theories, because (and when) they are presented as the ones "ultimately running things behind the scenes".

The topic... is the Rothschild family.

Who made efficient use of the divisive nature of nationalism by making profits from war and militaristic build-up policies, and had a variety of means to assist* in whipping up the necessary patriotic fervor for these profitable policies used by the politicians they cooperated with (*: financially). Promoted evolutionary philosophies (by means of funding people like Ernst Mayr) to undermine the truths of the Bible which exposes "who is ultimately running things behind the scenes." And according to many conspiracy theorists all over the net, serve or worship the one whom the Bible identifies as the real ruler of this world (or have close ties to those who do).

Not entirely unrelated subjects.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit


I'm not even sure how one would go about destroying it all.


The world would be thrown into unimaginable chaos and I can imagine billions of people dying if the elites were ever threatened in such a manner.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Natural Disasters Happen All the Time , and the " Big One " is Overdue . What could be the Result of that is Isolated Pockets of Survivors becoming Tribal Again . The World Decentralized and the Globalists Left with no one to Rule Over .

originally posted by: 19Bones79
Not only in the US but in most countries, do you agree?

We get me credit for that than we actually deserve.

Of course you can disagree with my conclusions.

I do, since their bank is now a minor institution. Jamie Dimon has more influence than the titular head of the Rothschild family.

For such a complete domination of world events and markets and the financial sector and funding of wars to a small $8 billion dollar company in 2023?

Where is John D. Rockefeller's family and company now? From an adjusted worth of around $1trillion to not even a blip on the stockholder lists.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

We get me credit for that than we actually deserve.

That statement has such an ambiguous feeling to it, but ok.

I do, since their bank is now a minor institution. Jamie Dimon has more influence than the titular head of the Rothschild family.

I guess we've reached a point here.

Where is John D. Rockefeller's family and company now? From an adjusted worth of around $1trillion to not even a blip on the stockholder lists.

... for what it's worth...

The combined wealth of the family—their total assets and investments plus the individual wealth of its members—has never been known with any precision. The records of the family archives relating to both the family and individual members' net worth are closed to researchers.[14]

That's from their wikipage but if you click on the reference number hyperlink you get a 404.

Much of the wealth has been locked up in the family trust of 1934 (which holds the bulk of the fortune and matures on the death of the fourth generation) and the trust of 1952, both administered by Chase Bank, the corporate successor to Chase Manhattan Bank. These trusts have consisted of shares in the successor companies to Standard Oil and other diversified investments, as well as the family's considerable real estate holdings. They are administered by a trust committee that oversees the fortune.

That should've amounted to a pretty penny by now..

originally posted by: 19Bones79
I guess we've reached a point here.

I suppose.

Since I meet with people in industry I tend to take what they say as legitimate as opposed to some nebulous behind-the-scenes family who no one can point to a particular member and say they are the one actually calling the shots.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Did you ever read a thread of mine in R.A.T.S. about a Saudi Royal I looked after in South Africa who was looking to buy a mine?

I can't seem to find it anymore.

a reply to: 19Bones79

I did not, and I do not see it either.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It was a couple of years ago.


Long story short, before coming to SA he had to go to France to obtain permission in order to buy the mine from my client at the time, from a 3rd party headquartered in France.

One guess who that was.

This is not hearsay either, he told it to me himself.

At the time I told him, very respectfully, please tell me you are joking but he was dead serious.

I had goosebumps all over when he told me that.


We were stuck together in traffic for well over an hour just the two of us and he seemed to appreciate my sense of humor earlier in the day when he I gave him my protective glasses as we stood in the dust on a hill overlooking a quarry he turned to me and asked "what do you think?"

I looked at him and said "it's a # hole, but a very profitable one at that. Sir. "

I was taking a bit of a risk but I judged it correctly and he laughed at that.

I could've lost my job right there but he was cool.