The Real War Satan is Waging

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Your comment is correct

Thanks. As a Southern Baptist, I know it is correct.

It is good to know you're Baptist. I don't know the difference between all the Baptist churches. My grandfather was a Baptist minister in Denver. And my dad went to the baptist Church until he graduated High School. In fact I was in Denver visiting him recently and he talked to me about those years. I asked him what made him conclude that the JWs had the truth and not the Baptist Church. He said that there were a lot of things he liked about it, that is the Baptist Church. They did teach Bible stories. And had them remember Bible verses. And there was this coin, the golden rule coin that he didn't achieve until he was 18. But there was something about when he didn't understand something and he questioned it he was told not to. They were taught to recite by rote, but not to think from the heart. When he wanted to understand a teaching he could not get his head around he was not given insight or help. And it was frowned down upon to think for himself.

I don't know if that is the way it is in your Church. I am just telling you his experience with the Church. My granddad eventually left it as well because of the hypocrisy they saw in it. By difference, how I reasoned to you with the scriptures about the Biblical command by Jesus to endure to the end to be saved. That they could reason with and understand. It goes against what the Church teaches. But its in the Bible. And who is correct? Traditions of man or God?

a reply to: randomuser

Plese tell me, If you refuse to consider Infolurker's link, why should Infolurker, or any one else visit any link you post?

Is it possable you fear that you may see something that threatens your position concerning your denomination?

a reply to: visitedbythem

This one is very interesting. I do like the animation style.

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: randomuser

Plese tell me, If you refuse to consider Infolurker's link, why should Infolurker, or any one else visit any link you post?

Is it possable you fear that you may see something that threatens your position concerning your denomination?

When Christianity was first formed it was slandered and talked against everywhere. But some thought to listen to the apostles for themselves. For example the Jews at Acts 28:22 said: "But we think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect, we know that it is spoken against everywhere.”

If you want to know about someone who do you ask? Their enemy who opposes and lies about them? Or would you ask them? If you want to know the truth about Jehovah's Witnesses it would be logical to do the same as those Jews. Instead of listening to rumors or lies go to the source.

Imagine how many people among the Jews were fooled by their religious leaders when they paid the guards of Jesus' tomb to say that his followers stole him away in the night. Or those who believed the ridiculously false charges of sedition that had him put to death. No doubt many false rumors and lies spread about Jesus Christ. And no doubt many who did not care to do a little investigation merely believed everything they were told. Many were mislead because of false and contrived stories against Jesus Christ and the truth. Down to this day!

Everything in all of my threads is clear and concise, although some things are hard to understand because of the deep nature of the prophecies being discussed, they stand on their own merit through explanation of Holy Scripture.

Because it truly is "once saved, always saved." If a person believes they can backslide and become "unsaved," then they were never really "saved" in the first place. It would be a mockery to Jesus Christ having died on the cross if mortals could undo anything he died for.

Whew, if I were a Christian me and You would be talkin. Baptist I assume..carefully..Now You got me wanting to talk about distance from the throne and jewels in our crowns and how without Christ works burn as hay and stubble but with Christ and the fire of the spirit is applied those works become as gold..purified..proving you can be a good person and be ushered straight through the gates of hell where you will fry like bacon for eternity still able to forever hear the lamentations and gnashing of teeth..

salvation is a supposed GIFT and I have free will to return that gift..FREE WILL I asked for it of free will now Im giving it back of free will and gonna go do a bunch of horrible #..people can be willfully ungrateful and choose to blaspheme. or do you think someone walking in gods grace would not have the free will to do so?

Gentlemen! Are you not all true Scotsmen?

The Real War Satan is Waging

Divide and conquer?


So many denominations, so little time.

a reply to: randomuser

You didn't answer my question.

I am a Christian that, personally, believes JW is a cult, just as I believe the Roman Catholic Church is a cult. I also believe most protestant churches have strayed from their original intent to deliver "The Word" to their congregations in favor of just pandering to sympathies to build or retain attendance.

But you still didn't answer my question. I have been visited by JW here, in the past, and clearly observed that they refuse to even consider any opinions or information not specifically provided to them from their church. As if, to me, they are being forced to, basically, don't think for yourself. Just think and do what we tell you to think or do.

So, answer my question. Why will you not examine alternate sources of information? Basically, it seems JW would be prime candidates to the liberal hive mind.

a reply to: randomuser

But they knew the movement went beyond just Russell's understandings of Bible truth. They continued to be refined and corrected their understanding of Bible truths as the decades progressed. They did not adopt the derogatory names that enemies placed on them. Rather by guidance of holy spirit Jehovah had this group of anointed Christians adopt his own name as he declared would occur many thousands of years ago.

I still can't get over the irony and humor in such statements. While you believe that Jehovah is God, you still don't understand the real underlying truth behind the name, which begs the question, how anointed could you possibly be?

Does the Bible identify Jesus as Jehovah?

carm.org...

While I appreciate some of your biblical understanding, until you can address this question, your overall views are always going to lack credibility.

Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: randomuser

You didn't answer my question.

I am a Christian that, personally, believes JW is a cult, just as I believe the Roman Catholic Church is a cult. I also believe most protestant churches have strayed from their original intent to deliver "The Word" to their congregations in favor of just pandering to sympathies to build or retain attendance.

But you still didn't answer my question. I have been visited by JW here, in the past, and clearly observed that they refuse to even consider any opinions or information not specifically provided to them from their church. As if, to me, they are being forced to, basically, don't think for yourself. Just think and do what we tell you to think or do.

So, answer my question. Why will you not examine alternate sources of information? Basically, it seems JW would be prime candidates to the liberal hive mind.

Thank you for sharing your beliefs with me. I respect that, and them. I thought I did answer your question, and with an example from the Bible. If you want to know about a group of people it would be good to get to know about them from the source.

In any event, I answered all of the questions from the Bible in other threads of mine that I linked too. Without using links to any other website. Everything provided is from the Bible. If you feel something is in error or the Bible teaches something other than what has been shown from the Bible it is always enlightening to learn. That is what we are here for.

As far as your talk with JWs. They feel they have the truth. If they didn't they wouldn't be so bold as to speak it. They would be looking for it still instead of trying to share their faith with others. Their conduct speaks for itself. Scripture states: "For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation."-Romans 10:10.

originally posted by: Antisocialist
a reply to: randomuser

You didn't answer my question.

I am a Christian that, personally, believes JW is a cult, just as I believe the Roman Catholic Church is a cult. I also believe most protestant churches have strayed from their original intent to deliver "The Word" to their congregations in favor of just pandering to sympathies to build or retain attendance.

But you still didn't answer my question. I have been visited by JW here, in the past, and clearly observed that they refuse to even consider any opinions or information not specifically provided to them from their church. As if, to me, they are being forced to, basically, don't think for yourself. Just think and do what we tell you to think or do.

So, answer my question. Why will you not examine alternate sources of information? Basically, it seems JW would be prime candidates to the liberal hive mind.

I believe people that are looking for spiritual answers have a tendency to behave cultish, and they are easily led to behave in a manner that helps them walk the path they believe will lead them to heavenly glory. The problem becomes when they are so focused on walking the walk, that they end up putting God on the back burner.

I was raised up in the church. A lot of them. Mother was Catholic, Father was Baptist. Grandfather took us to church on Sundays. We started at the Catholic Church, then to the Baptist church, then to the JW church, then to the 7 day Adventist, then in the evening we went to the Pentecostal church. Grandfather was the social butterfly, he liked the food, and it gave him this weekly experience with his grandchildren. We were kids. We lived way out in the country, and it was our day to be in town and to play with other kids.

I grew up seeing how church worked, and I spent years being a lukewarm Christian, because I was following the teachings of man, not the teaching of God.

Personally, I think that all religions are cult like because religion is man made. I attend a church that teaches the “word”. It is a Bible teaching church that does not stray from the word. There are opportunities for us to learn past the Sunday morning sermon. I have Bible study classes on Tuesdays, where we study the scripture that we find challenging, and on Wednesday nights we study the scripture from the past Sunday sermon. Outside of our time of fellowship, it is all about the “word, and understanding the word. We have 7 pastors and one or more of them are always available to help us when we get stuck in a scripture. Our pastors are stewards. They are not worshipped, they are appreciated.

a reply to: randomuser

Big "The Watchtower" fan?

originally posted by: didntasktobeborned
salvation is a supposed GIFT and I have free will to return that gift.

Jesus knows your heart. If you truly received the "gift" of salvation, you would not want to give it up. You can convince yourself that you were saved, but Jesus knows the truth. Talk to him about it, not me. I can't help you with this problem, only Jesus can. That is, if you really want this "gift."

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

I would love to see your proof of that statement. Because it sounds like you're just bashing religion and will say anything. Whether it's the truth or not.

Satan, is that you talking?

Is that why when Christ asked for the cup to be passed from him that God the Father basically just laughed ? Nice gift.



Ill just stick with the woman and die ..MAYBE not confused and alone



And if it turns out St. Peter tells me to get lost and god says no wait, I got a question..let me stop you right there dad…It was all your will..peace out pops..warm up the oven

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

I would love to see your proof of that statement. Because it sounds like you're just bashing religion and will say anything. Whether it's the truth or not.

Satan, is that you talking?

HAHA.. yes, it's Satan here, I'm having a party with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and Iron Man, wanna join?... LMAO

Look, I know you are closed minded as a brick, but for anyone who had read any of the records left by the Greek Oracles of antiquity, it is CLEARLY the same type of tales and narratives than that of Revelations. People on acid trips trying to predict the future. It was very common back then, Oracles would be used on a daily basis and they would always give these visions about dragons or monsters flying in the sky and all that psychedelic crap (which is how the Book of Revelations is written, it makes no SENSE, unless you are high as a kite).

Even today millions engage in "divination magic", which is what the Oracles did, because they are nothing but a bunch of losers afraid of death or afraid of "the future", like all who believe that "we are living the end of times", it's the same fear induced drug for the low thinking apes. Doooom!

PS: The Book of Revelations is considered "Satanic" (as you like to say) by millions of good and thinking Christians around the world, who do not consider it part of the real bible or of Jesus teachings, but simply a adding that was done by the Roman Church to brainwash populations. The fact that the Jesus of the Book of Revelations is chopping people's heads and bashing babies against rocks, when the Jesus of the gospels preached to love even your enemies, is enough for smart people to realize that it's not the same "person"...

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

I would love to see your proof of that statement. Because it sounds like you're just bashing religion and will say anything. Whether it's the truth or not.

Satan, is that you talking?

HAHA.. yes, it's Satan here, I'm having a party with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and Iron Man, wanna join?... LMAO

Look, I know you are closed minded as a brick, but for anyone who had read any of the records left by the Greek Oracles of antiquity, it is CLEARLY the same type of tales and narratives than that of Revelations. People on acid trips trying to predict the future. It was very common back then, Oracles would be used on a daily basis and they would always give these visions about dragons or monsters flying in the sky and all that psychedelic crap (which is how the Book of Revelations is written, it makes no SENSE, unless you are high as a kite).

Even today millions engage in "divination magic", which is what the Oracles did, because they are nothing but a bunch of losers afraid of death or afraid of "the future", like all who believe that "we are living the end of times", it's the same fear induced drug for the low thinking apes. Doooom!

PS: The Book of Revelations is considered "Satanic" (as you like to say) by millions of good and thinking Christians around the world, who do not consider it part of the real bible or of Jesus teachings, but simply a adding that was done by the Roman Church to brainwash populations. The fact that the Jesus of the Book of Revelations is chopping people's heads and bashing babies against rocks, when the Jesus of the gospels preached to love even your enemies, is enough for smart people to realize that it's not the same "person"...

So, no proof, eh?

I expected that.

a reply to: randomuser

Well, even though your intent is well-meaning, if you are unwilling to examine any contradictory assertions that tend to claim, threaten or disprove your position concerning your denomination, then I refuse to examine any assertions or claims yours is truly Christ's church when in my opinion, another cult espousing a manipulative and false dogma.

By the way, I just barely could manage getting through this long OP and have no desire to endure reading through your previous threads, just as long as this one, for you to prove your position.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

I would love to see your proof of that statement. Because it sounds like you're just bashing religion and will say anything. Whether it's the truth or not.

Satan, is that you talking?

HAHA.. yes, it's Satan here, I'm having a party with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and Iron Man, wanna join?... LMAO

Look, I know you are closed minded as a brick, but for anyone who had read any of the records left by the Greek Oracles of antiquity, it is CLEARLY the same type of tales and narratives than that of Revelations. People on acid trips trying to predict the future. It was very common back then, Oracles would be used on a daily basis and they would always give these visions about dragons or monsters flying in the sky and all that psychedelic crap (which is how the Book of Revelations is written, it makes no SENSE, unless you are high as a kite).

Even today millions engage in "divination magic", which is what the Oracles did, because they are nothing but a bunch of losers afraid of death or afraid of "the future", like all who believe that "we are living the end of times", it's the same fear induced drug for the low thinking apes. Doooom!

PS: The Book of Revelations is considered "Satanic" (as you like to say) by millions of good and thinking Christians around the world, who do not consider it part of the real bible or of Jesus teachings, but simply a adding that was done by the Roman Church to brainwash populations. The fact that the Jesus of the Book of Revelations is chopping people's heads and bashing babies against rocks, when the Jesus of the gospels preached to love even your enemies, is enough for smart people to realize that it's not the same "person"...

So, no proof, eh?

I expected that.

If it walks in four legs, barks and wags its tail, it's a dog. You simply take refuge in the "you have no proof" thing just to hide yourself from the cognitive dissonance you suffer when facing real arguments against your "beliefs". Then, you seem to be quite eager to demand proof to others, but you have no proof that the book of revelations is true in anyway or, even more, that anything in your "religion" is actually real. How does that hypocrisy works for you?...

The real deal: all your illusions are just a belief that was imposed on you by someone (probably your parents) and has been done so by abusing you through the fear of "going to hell". That psychological abuse that was inflicted on you, now you desperately try to unload onto others, with ridiculous things, like calling them "Satan", just because they don't believe in the superstition you believe. You've been traumatized and brainwashed by the people who claimed to love you, I understand you brother, and I feel your pain.

Hope you get getter, hope you wake up one day, and stop throwing your life and brain away by following those silly fear-based fantasies of that man written book full of lies and stolen myths called the "holy bible".

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: ltrz2025
Revelation was narrated by someone on an acid trip, as the one who wrote the book of Isaiah (back then these junkies were called "oracles"). I'm not kidding, nor exaggerating. If consider any of these books seriously, you are a looney toon.

I would love to see your proof of that statement. Because it sounds like you're just bashing religion and will say anything. Whether it's the truth or not.

Satan, is that you talking?

HAHA.. yes, it's Satan here, I'm having a party with the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus and Iron Man, wanna join?... LMAO

Look, I know you are closed minded as a brick, but for anyone who had read any of the records left by the Greek Oracles of antiquity, it is CLEARLY the same type of tales and narratives than that of Revelations. People on acid trips trying to predict the future. It was very common back then, Oracles would be used on a daily basis and they would always give these visions about dragons or monsters flying in the sky and all that psychedelic crap (which is how the Book of Revelations is written, it makes no SENSE, unless you are high as a kite).

Even today millions engage in "divination magic", which is what the Oracles did, because they are nothing but a bunch of losers afraid of death or afraid of "the future", like all who believe that "we are living the end of times", it's the same fear induced drug for the low thinking apes. Doooom!

PS: The Book of Revelations is considered "Satanic" (as you like to say) by millions of good and thinking Christians around the world, who do not consider it part of the real bible or of Jesus teachings, but simply a adding that was done by the Roman Church to brainwash populations. The fact that the Jesus of the Book of Revelations is chopping people's heads and bashing babies against rocks, when the Jesus of the gospels preached to love even your enemies, is enough for smart people to realize that it's not the same "person"...

So, no proof, eh?

I expected that.

If it walks in four legs, barks and wags its tail, it's a dog. You simply take refuge in the "you have no proof" thing just to hide yourself from the cognitive dissonance you suffer when facing real arguments against your "beliefs". Then, you seem to be quite eager to demand proof to others, but you have no proof that the book of revelations is true in anyway or, even more, that anything in your "religion" is actually real. How does that hypocrisy works for you?...

The real deal: all your illusions are just a belief that was imposed on you by someone (probably your parents) and has been done so by abusing you through the fear of "going to hell". That psychological abuse that was inflicted on you, now you desperately try to unload onto others, with ridiculous things, like calling them "Satan", just because they don't believe in the superstition you believe. You've been traumatized and brainwashed by the people who claimed to love you, I understand you brother, and I feel your pain.

Hope you get getter, hope you wake up one day, and stop throwing your life and brain away by following those silly fear-based fantasies of that man written book full of lies and stolen myths called the "holy bible".

Typical whataboutism comeback from somebody who knows they don't have a leg to stand on.

Keep it up. So far, you're meeting all my expectations out of you. A flat nothing.