"Elephant In The Room"

a reply to: billxam

What's the point? Why would they be doing all this? What, exactly, are they getting out of it?

Although unasked, it is likely energy.

The standard answer comes from shaman and the ol' glue huffer and cosmic explorer Robt Monroe who coined the term "Loosh," meaning emotional energy arising from sentient biological life; of which, hopeless, lonely, heart broken energy was the rarest, finest vintage cherished by cosmic entities.

originally posted by: HUBE007

3. humans by modest standards have been on Earth for 10-12 million years,

About 250k at best...

a reply to: HUBE007

They are not HUMAN is the problem.

They're human. They just don't have a conscience. Some would say they are soulless, lacking in those attributes that make us human, but the truth is, the sociopaths/psychopaths have always been among us, and they always rise to the top, because they will do whatever it takes to get there and their fellow psychopaths recognize their own.

Just my two shillings.

I think you want to believe they are not human because it's easier than believing our own are capable of so much evil.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Humans have been around

About 250k at best...

Says you, the majority of available evidence and a preponderance of Western academics and laypeople...

yet some evidence (as outlined in Forbidden Archeology, for instance) and tomes like the Upanishads argue for much longer. I'd add Bruce Fenton's work placing the inception of Earth human at 780,000 ybp derived from his own dna studies, some woo and when a crystalline structure in arguably artificial orbit broke up over the area of Australia leaving unexplainable tektites.

All pedantically mentioned to counter your implication of completely settled fact.

a reply to: olaru12

They aren't entities, they are filthy rich off of you and me and can buy whatever, whenever they want. Money talks. Their BS can buy anything they want, anytime they want because they rob us blind.

I know one thing though, I will always stay true to my heart and soul and never let them steal either.

originally posted by: Baddogma

Says you, the majority of available evidence and a preponderance of Western academics and laypeople...

yet some evidence (as outlined in Forbidden Archeology, for instance) and tomes like the Upanishads argue for much longer. I'd add Bruce Fenton's work placing the inception of Earth human at 780,000 ybp derived from his own dna studies, some woo and when a crystalline structure in arguably artificial orbit broke up over the area of Australia leaving unexplainable tektites.

All pedantically mentioned to counter your implication of completely settled fact.

Could be true, but they were not humans then... You don't just magically stop evolution. We can say the inception of humans were around 500k to 700k years ago, but they were still extremely far off when homo sapiens of today. Modern humans are more like 100k.

Also, do you understand I was responding to the comment that humans been around 10 to 12 million years, right?

a reply to: Xtrozero

they were not humans then... You don't just magically stop evolution.

Once again, maybe so, but I have to add a pedantic refutation that such declarative sentences have no business in debatable scientific discussions.

One thing that I am personally sure of, and perhaps the only thing, is that we, as individuals and a species, know some significant percentage of nothing.

originally posted by: Baddogma

Once again, maybe so, but I have to add a pedantic refutation that such declarative sentences have no business in debatable scientific discussions.

One thing that I am personally sure of, and perhaps the only thing, is that we, as individuals and a species, know some significant percentage of nothing.

WTF did you just say?

I do know that humans were not here 10 to 12 million years ago, so if one wants to quibble over 250k, 500k or 700k as to when we draw the line as to when humans of today started have at it, not a line I'm really trying to define.

a reply to: Xtrozero

Ok, all good...

but all I'm trying to say is that you should attempt to add indeterminate modifiers like "probably," "likely" and "maybe" when speculating on what happened -or did not happen- "10 to 12 million years ago." That's all.

originally posted by: Baddogma


Ok, all good...

but all I'm trying to say is that you should attempt to add indeterminate modifiers like "probably," "likely" and "maybe" when speculating on what happened -or did not happen- "10 to 12 million years ago." That's all.

Kind of hard on a four word reply to the comment that humans been around 10 to 12 million years. As to defining modern humans is a rather difficult thing to do because we must first define the measuring mechanisms to draw that line in the sand. When we suggest "anatomically, modern humans" that can move the line all over the place from 100k to 700k or more depending on what you use to measure it. The other issue is that there is not a particular Homo sapiens individual that researchers recognize as being the specimen that gave Homo sapiens its name. I can put forth a good argument that modern humans didn't start until 12,000 years ago if we wanted to measure us by capabilities and not something like the shape of our hips.

originally posted by: HUBE007
I was reading through some other posts on what is happening in the world regarding all the latest chaos and I had a reply to a comment that I felt deserved it's own post.

If this is the wrong place for this one MODS please assist.

Someone replied to an OP and basically asked the question of "why would humans do this to one another, what am I missing?"

This was my response:

NO YOU ARE NOT MISSING ANYTHING. They are not HUMAN is the problem. When are we collectively going to start talking about the true "elephant in the room"?

That most if not all political figures of major countries are not just ruled by an elite club of royal assholes that are in fact NOT human. Until we have that hard conversation and open to the fact that they are probably these reptilian bastards doing all this to us for (at minimum) thousands of years we are never going to get anywhere and make true change.

Some things that make this stick to me:
1.coins and money are the same since before Roman times
2. we are still the only species that has to pay to be on this planet
3. humans by modest standards have been on Earth for 10-12 million years, dinosaurs ruled for 65 million. You think we are the only thing to evolve into an intelligent species?
4. I personally doubt we are the true "rulers" of this planet. I have never felt like I ruled a damn thing in my life on this planet

It appears no one is ready for this conversation seriously and I fear it will be too late once we do...

This is one of few places we can have an honest open conversation about this, please let me know your thoughts on this subject and do not fear what others think, this is not the site for that!

Thanks ATS FAM as always!

I think you are referring to me and my thread here:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

What you said makes sense. I guess we have to understand the psychology of the people who are doing this. They are not human, they are functioning like emotionless machines. There is no connection to god.

a reply to: HUBE007

There's too many cultures with reptilian iconography to simply dismiss the theory out of hand. There's so many unexplained mysteries when it comes to the technological prowess of ancient builders and their fascination with the heavens that to dismiss the idea of another advanced race of beings being involved with earth's history seems premature. And when you look at how many cultures have origin stories that involve 'gods' from the sky kickstarting their civilization... The similarities across continents are simply too many to dismiss out of hand.

Would such a race of beings find it prudent to ally itself with a group of humans that can carry out their objectives and walk amongst us much more easily than those beings can or prefer to do?

Is there any group of humans on this planet that would fit the bill?

They would have to be narrative shapers at most if not all historical turning points of the past.

They would have to be involved with all the relevant institutions of power that drive, and shape our collective experience.

Money.

Religion.

Philosophy.

Psychology.

Law.

Politics.

Revolutions.

Entertainment.

Big Pharma.

Newsmedia.

Secret Societies.

Consumerism.

Wars.


Can we connect one group of people dominating these industries?


Yes we can.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: HUBE007

There's too many cultures with reptilian iconography to simply dismiss the theory out of hand.

Maybe iPhone 16 will have the lens to see them.

a reply to: Xtrozero

I don't think Blackrock as the majority shareholder in Vanguard who is the majority shareholder in Apple would approve such a thing.

Would be cool though.

a reply to: HUBE007

Why so little discussion in all the ATS threads of; WHAT TO DO to fix things?

The planet looks older because of the flood. The reptilians were judged and died like men, along with their children. Those beings, just like each one of us, are spiritual beings. No ones spirit has died.

You see how some human beings seem to want the majority of us damaged or dead? There is a reason for that, and it has been becoming far more pronounced since the 60s in the US and abroad.

Remember how in the Bible, people were possessed, and demons were being cast out? The people we are discussing here are also possessed. It is just that the demons have learned a thing or two about keeping a low profile. They aren't so much writhing around like they used to. Many demons live within certain families and are passed from generation to generation.

I saw a guy I know whose eyes appeared like cats' eyes pupils. I almost asked him if he was wearing contact to cause that. I didn't though. My son later said don't ever ask. They may not even know, and I think most don't. That was the weirdest thing to see. I couldn't believe my own eyes and kept staring into the guy's eyes from slightly different angles. For several minutes they stayed like that. You likely wouldn't believe it unless you saw it for yourself. I sure wouldn't have, even though people have mentioned it on here before.

It is a funny old world, most cannot see the forest from the trees, some may get glimpses, but never put it all together. Our eyes play tricks and miss most things, we see the flower and the leaves at a distance, but not the mouse or cat hiding in plane sight, only once it moves we become aware. If the Buddhist beliefs are correct and lives are reincarnated, perhaps it is not the same sole for a past life but rather several lives blended in the new existence, no one can say, one would have to be rather ignorant not to believe there non humans participating in this world. I saw a movie some time back, which appeared rather interesting called "Cloud Atlas" enjoy.

I once made a "fun theory" up and wrote it down here in a comment somewhere. Most horrific thing, this theory makes more sense day by day.

I said that maybe all these ultra-rich freaks are aliens, trailblazers for an upcoming invasion. Politicians, industrialists, banksters and figures like Schwab, Tedros, Gueterrez etc are just what they are, corrupt "human" a-holes without any shame, misanthropes. These alien trailblazers only have to print some money, diamonds, gold or whatever on their ship, that is waiting behind the sun until the circumstances on earth have changed to the belongings of the invaders, and then give that crap to these politicians. Nobody is easier to control than greedy earthlings.

I mean, look at all these Zucks, Musks, Gates, Bezos etc, etc. Look at these people who think they are god-like and have the right to shape the earth according to their anti-human ideas, who think that they are the top and we, the "peasants", are their slaves who have to support and realize all of their crude ideas. For me, they somehow look strange, i don´t know why but it is like it is. Something is wrong with them for me if i look at pics or videos of them.

But more striking is their anti-human behavior. Maybe their ship parked behind the sun, maybe since a few earthling generations, is filled with around 5 millions of them. First they have to create some space because even only we earthlings alone are a bit too much for this earth meanwhile. But you can´t simply kill millions of earthlings without anybody asking questions, you have to make up a "very good" story so they want to take their own poison and even pay for it via tax money. That´s what the covid/vax story was made up for.

And at the same time this jabs are made to protect the aliens from the surviving earthlings, those not too stupid, still self-thinking earthlings you can still use at least as food or whatever. They maybe don´t like to eat stupid "cows", who knows.

The jabs contain something that stops us earthlings from spreading dangerous diseases to the aliens. That´s why that Bill Gates alien has his fingers everywhere when it comes to the biggest crime against earthlings in human history(as we "know" it), especially disinformation, control of the MSM, making money with that poison. Making money is maybe wrong, taking money(obviously our, the earthlings god) from the earthlings, taking their god away. That makes us weak and submissive, makes us easy to control.

Next thing why they have to wait with their invasion for a while, with their take over of earth, is that climate thing. They want it to be like they need it first. That´s what that climate BS was made up for. By the time the climate changed to their belongings the earthlings are slowly decimated via the jabs.

All that Industry4.0 and AI BS, the next industrial revolution BS. It´s just alien tech because they know how stupid earthlings are and unusable for tasks which require a certain intelligence. I mean, we even still kill each other because somebody on top of the pyramid simply says so, do we need more evidence of the human stupidity? AI, that thing some people talk to and try to use it as a fortune teller, as an omniscient oracle, they simply don´t know that this thing is nothing else the loudspeaker, a cheap tool of the aliens.

All that spyPhone and social media (of course those anti-social media from the companies of the alien trailblazers) BS, all that 5G crap, all that outsourcing of human workforce (remember that intelligence problem) to computers and robots is not to the profit of us earthlings (in reality we are enslaved more and more instead of the other way around) but serves only the belongings of the aliens, to have control over the few earthlings they still need for whatever.

Somehow they seem to have a time limit for their invasion and 2030 seems to be the targeted "year of contact". That´s why they need to step on the gas since at least 2020. They now use every available tool and measure to speed up the process, the great transformation as they call it. They create plandemics and the "cure" is the real poison, they create conflicts and wars around the globe (easy game, using the earthlings god money in addition to the human greed, controlling MSM worldwide ...), do everything to start a hot WW3 meanwhile. They need space on earth in 2030, for their people.

I am pretty sure we would recognize them as aliens in no time but we are missing the right sun-glasses or contact lenses to make their ugly faces visible for us humans...

Edit: Only thing i couldn´t find out yet, why are the still not jabbed humans no danger to the aliens when it comes to infections, human diseases? Those still self-thinking humans the aliens obviously still need for something, who couldn´t even be forced to take that poison? Was it just a global intelligence test in addition to poisoning the even less intelligent part of earthlings and has maybe absolutely nothing to do with protecting the invaders from human diseases?

I think some people make the subject too complicated. One must understand at the moment there are about 8 billion people on this Earth and ALL of them, and I mean all, are separate entities. Yes, they are human, but in their minds they are all different. Different ideas, different outlooks on life, different goals, no human is exactly the same. Now the problem comes from trying to interpret what's happening now. With the internet we as a species can see other countries and how they treat their citizens. Whereas 70 years ago if you lived in one part of the World you never knew what was happening on the other side of the globe. That approx 70 year period will show up again.

With differing types of humans there will always be leaders, followers and just the ride alongers. The humans that you are looking for are the psychopaths (please look up what a psychopath is), still human in physiology but totally different in mentality. Up till about 70 years ago these people were spread Worldwide, they might have known about each other but the political system back then made them mortal enemies. Fast forward to today the psychopaths have got together to achieve their ultimate goal, World domination. Not ET, not reptilians, not god people, PSYCHOPATHS.
As an example look at America and Russia, supposedly enemies, but the psychopaths are helping one another behind the scenes. I truly hate to say it but one only has to look at the WEF and their ilk. All the Worlds psychopaths have learned the lesson "forget nationality and singular personal goals, together as an entity we can rule the World". All in lockstep, digital currency, control the money, control the food, control the movement of people and that includes mass movement of non native peoples of different ethnics, different religions etc., into Western countries to dilute the populations, this being done to separate and segregate peoples from getting together en mass to oppose them when their time is right.

One doesn't need to look outside the human race the "aliens" are already among us, other humans.