Losing belief in Aliens....

The simple fact is that the evidence for Alien visitation is pretty abundant, and even when speaking of just good, solid evidence, such as radar returns, military intercepts, testimony of military officers, and former Bluebook project leaders and investigators.

What ISN'T abundant, is good, solid evidence for the variety of aliens claimed. With the exception of the grays, and to a lesser extent, the Nordics (for lack of a better term), the evidence is largely non-expert witness testimony. By 'non-expert', I mean individuals whose training and experience does NOT involve a great deal of exposure to identifying aerial objects. There IS however, evidence other than witnesses (such as documentation of governmental investigations) in regards to the Grays, and the Nordics. That doesn't mean other entities don't exist of course, just that the evidence for them isn't nearly as good...so one should take such info with a grain of salt...

Originally posted by Gazrok
Regardless of any of this, we still have a mountain of evidence pointing to such visitation, regardless of who's covering up what and why, and that evidence cannot just be ignored because we don't like the implications of it.

For me, accepting alien visitation isn't a belief, it's a logical conclusion based on evidence.

Gaz, you're the best! Love the perspective. I need to realign myself!

THANKS!


Vertu, are your comments directed to me?

Originally posted by Vertu
It is natural that you lost your belief in the subject, because you know that you will never get what you want. You know that you are not a match for such a great issue, because you are too little for that.

I believe I said losing, not lost my belief. Are you saying I am no match for seeing the reality of Aliens?

Also, I believe that you have nothing good in order to recieve what you want, so how do you expect to get it? Have you done anything for it? I don't find any single reason to give you what you want, no matter how hard I try. You claim that it's yours, but it isn't. And somewhere deep inside you can feel that. It could have been yours, if you did the tiniest movement towards it. But you have done nothing good.

Huh??? I have nothing good? Have I done anything for it? Are you saying I have to get a merit badge before I can see/feel/smell/hear an Alien?

Anyway, if you feel that you have done something good, feel free to comment on it... perhaps my mind is not clear to remember. Thanks.

Even though you and I conversed briefly back in October, I doubt that you know even a tiny bit of my character. Having not done something good.... As a single Dad I have raised 3 wonderful children, 21, 18 and 16. 21 year old is 9 credits shy of a college degree, 18 will be starting college this fall. All three have never had a GPA lower than 3.6 since starting High School, all work one or two jobs while going to school. If I haven't done some good, be thankful YOU won't be paying theirs bills as delinquents!

PEACE

Originally posted by Frith
Nobody who is currently in control of this planet who are part of the rich and powerful would want this situation to occur. They were and are dinosaurs and they would become extinct and they will not stand for it. Which is something all governments of the world can agree upon. The basic issue of control over the masses is the issue here.

There is nobody in control of this planet. There is no way such a wide agreement could come into effect. The "rich and powerful" are just fallible people like you and me. Obviously it would take only one conscious dissenter to spread the news about aliens.

So there are basically two possibilities:
1. There are no aliens.
2. There are aliens but no one really knows anything tangible about them.

If there are aliens, then they probably don't care about our ridiculous goverments. Also, probably there is nothing valuable we can do for them (in an economic sense) because they are immensely advanced. So perhaps the reason they are here would be to do something for us that makes us useful for them in the long run.

Originally posted by StarBreather
There is nobody in control of this planet. There is no way such a wide agreement could come into effect. The "rich and powerful" are just fallible people like you and me. Obviously it would take only one conscious dissenter to spread the news about aliens.

So there are basically two possibilities:
1. There are no aliens.
2. There are aliens but no one really knows anything tangible about them.

If there are aliens, then they probably don't care about our ridiculous goverments. Also, probably there is nothing valuable we can do for them (in an economic sense) because they are immensely advanced. So perhaps the reason they are here would be to do something for us that makes us useful for them in the long run.

The cover up of this subject is done with racketeering. Much like how mafia leaders have been killed I imagine the rich and powerful who govern their respective territories are under the same type of threats if they would dare speak out. Their power only extends to their people. To those who keep this subject a secret, much like how the mafia keeps itself a secret, they probably silence even their top members if one begins to talk.

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Muckwa I hope You do find the anwsers you need. As what I see is that your more tired of the same old conspiracy story more than the actual fact of aliens existing or not.






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Aliens are here........ But not all the time.

Originally posted by KpxMarMoTT
Muckwa I hope You do find the anwsers you need. As what I see is that your more tired of the same old conspiracy story more than the actual fact of aliens existing or not.

Thanks Kpx. I would agree that I tire of the same old conspiracy stories. But not more than whether Aliens exist or not. Gazrok's 'The Case for Roswell' was a VERY interesting read for me. A lot of information that leads me to believe the evidence IS there. I wish I would have read it sooner.

This is for starting such an intriging thread.

You have voted Muckwa for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

It sounds like your starting to regain your vision on this matter, but I'd like to add a few points.

There have been some excellent posts in repley to your question. But keep in mind, there is alot of noise out there. I felt his way with the internet in general, to much sifting through to get at the truth of the matter. All I can say is you have to keep things in perspective. First thing that should be on your priority list is your family, as I'm sure they are. Your beliefs in aliens or UFO's doesn't compare to that.

I've been a believer for some time now, but it is more of a hobby than anything else. When a subject becomes a burden, rather that an interest, maybe it's time for a break. You can always rekindle your interest later.

The trick is to to rely on sources you know are sound, and one you can bank on is Gazrok. He knows what he's talking about. For me, there is no question, and that is the difference between knowing and believing.

I suggest ALL Governments don't want to face a social breakdown due to their regious law abiding beliefs being outcast to the truth, that is Swearing an oath on the BIBLE means nothing. SO WHY DO IT OR BELIEVE IT or RUN YOUR MORALS BY IT..

Dallas

Originally posted by Dallas
Losing belief in Aliens..
I suggest ALL Governments don't want to face a social breakdown due to their regious law abiding beliefs being outcast to the truth, that is Swearing an oath on the BIBLE means nothing. SO WHY DO IT OR BELIEVE IT or RUN YOUR MORALS BY IT..

Dallas, that's a good point. No matter what the religion in any country, the actual proof that Aliens exist provided by the government, would really shake the foundation of that religion.

"Please place your right hand on the shiny unknown metal thing that displays Alien symbols. Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?"

Originally posted by Muckwa

Thanks by the way for stating 'Aliens exist' and not specifically Greys, Nordics, Reptilians, etc.

Well, all I can go on is the fact that Grays are more encountered than any other Alien species. Until all these numerous races pop in and say hello, we'll just never know what's out there.

EarthSister says there are about 218 different races of aliens.

Wow! That is a lot of different, er, folks to be hospitable to.......

218 different species.... hummm in the universe maybe? not here on earth. Way too many for what we have seen. Not very plausible. As it is for humanity, well we all know that we are not happy with the way we need to exploit everything and everyone to get a dollar or two.

I could argue with you that when I do get payed I like the feeling of knowing I can get myself whatever I desire. But that way of thinking to me is sort of childish and self centred. It lets people get greedy and abuse of things they do not really need.

With faster communication, faster ways of getting information, I guess theres also the feeling of knowing that there must be more to life than just to procreate and buy stuff at walmart. Humanity will eventually open its eyes that it is destroyin our ecosystem, our own people, for the simple greed of one man. I say if an alien race was here they would probably find our way of doing things very very.... ummmm (too many negative words so I wont say). Any higher intelligence would want this kind of dictaturial leach out so that the people could evolve and stop limitting itself to what it can get rather than being someone just for the sake of being someone.

And yes we have been in contact with aliens, but not 218 .... thats just too much.


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truth is the only solution

IMHO, the portrayal of the Asgard on Stargate is the MOST correct way they interact with humans..
For many years now, I have been a vessel of the Sirian grays, and the prime directive is real, and thusly, they do not care if we believe they are here or not, as they do not know time, and will not show themselves on an earthly time-table.They 'know of' G-d but explian they have as many mysteries questions as to the Universe as we do..It is just they have advanced by peaceful means,,but that does not give them all=power at all.
But, friends, be assured they are our brothers and sisters and mean us nothing but to learn how to advance beyond savagery.
We will see them in the Creator's time..soon..

Originally poste by EarthSister
The 218 races visiting Earth are as alive and physical as we are, and are people, all different race to race. They all know each other, help each other, and work together here. They are "much" further advanced and evolved than we are, both technologically and spiritually. The knowledge they have, and what they can do, if we accepted their help, would end needless suffering on our world and bring a peaceful way of life to all our people. The other races have done it, and so should we have by now.

Kpx, this is EarthSister's quote. Here is the link. Just so you know I did not misquote her......

www.abovetopsecret.com...

M

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I'm glad you found that there are no aliens out there... Ouf, actually, I mean, there are some and there are none. I'm explaining myself. We usually mean by aliens some races that are physical in origin and that tries to survive like human beings, but originate from other planets.
I'll answer your remark by referring to the Bible. Modern aliens are nothing else than ancient demons unleashed again in our world to pervert humanity. As Jesus said, the humanity, at the end of the world would be as before his incarnation, like in the time of Noah, in which time the angels (sons of God) had perverted human DNA by having children with women. This is why the flood was necessary. To preserve human DNA. This is why I said aliens are not physical and they also are physical. Angels are masters over every matter. I don't quite understand still how they could have a body, but it is clear from scriptures that they can have a body (as the encounter between Abraham and the two angels). The reason why people cannot detect alien presence is because they are not physical, they are angels.
I might tell you that everything people believe concerning extraterrestrials might be false even if these aliens told them everything directly because demons are good liers.
The aliens believers have only one century of study to support their beliefs, but the Bible and the Church has 6000 years of experience which is more in accordance to the facts concerning aliens. Believing in aliens instead of the Bible is like believing the theory of a new born child instead of a wise old man.

I found a site long ago and in there, there were story from christians who said they had encountered aliens (they believed in it), but the aliens (angels) were disappearing like the devil when these christian were calling the name of Jesus or Mary upon them. I don't know if I shoud believe them, but that web site just supported my arguments furter.
I want to tell any one of you (if you have or have not encountered an alien): don't believe them, they are liers. They are the deceivers and they want your soul.
If your want to learn more about aliens, don't follow the new-age believers. That belief system is a mix of lies. Study demonology instead based on a faith in the Bible and in Jesus. This is the only Truth you can know because there is no possible way of knowing some creature is telling you the truth if you don't SEE his love for you. and Jesus showed it by dying on a cross.
These spiritual being (demons) can even create feeling in your head or put images in your eyes to make you think they are as they show you they are. But you can't put confidence in anyone (I repeat it) that doesn't show you is real love for you. You have a right to be suspicious. Believe only those that doesn't want to get something from you or to enslave you or doesn't have personal interests but the TRUTH.
As St-Paul said 1900 years ago: if an angel would preach you another gospel than the one we have preached you, let him be anatheme (cursed or something like that).

I know that this fight is a word for word fight, so you believe who you want: the unprooved wrong Bible or the suspicious alien belief system.

I must precise that I still know there is life outside the earth. Not an intelligent life, but smal organisms.
There are bacterias on Mars and on comets that came from the earth during the flood of Noah. Comets are made mostly of water and contains come bacterias like Mars. How does that happened? Well, The Bible says that the flood happened when the fountains of the deep brooke open. Many formidable explosions of underground water coming to the surface of the earth launched water and bacterias and dirt into space. This is why we find bacterias in asteroids and on Mars. I don't know, but it should be possible also on the Moon. Look at this link for more info:

www.creationscience.com...

Aliens are real, I have first hand knowledge. Our goverment knows this, they dont wat YOU to know. Aliens aint even the biggest topic we should worry about. The after life, when we die are we done or do we go on. That is of greater signifcance. There is NO hard proof that ghosts exist. Things have moved, but were they ghosts or something else? Aliens are real, I think there is a little too much evidence of that. I seen them first hand.

First hand experience myself.

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What I have a hard time believing is that there are "evil aliens" here trying to control us. Any race that was so advanced as to be able to traverse the stars could engineer a virus which would wipe out most of the global population. They could spray the skies or infiltrate our water with a vaccine against it, so a few million people survive (such as over New York or LA). Then when everyone else is dead, they round up the survivors and enslave us for whatever purpose they want to use the Earth for.

This is what I would personally do if I were an evil alien race. I would not spend thousands of years dealing with political intrigue and the corruption of human governments to accomplish my goals.

If I were a good alien race on the other hand I would be cautious with disclosure, since I would respect the direction of the affairs of other intelligent life. I may even go so far as to intervene if I felt that life was going to destroy all life, or the lives of many intelligent creatures who had nothing to do with whatever evil was about to wipe out humanity.

Right now, if disclosure happened, we would expect something from them because its our nature. Look how many people want hand outs, we would want them to give us cures for everything, technology for everything, etc... Yet as a race we will be much better off if we learn these things ourselves, in the same way that an elder or parent only cripples the young by doing everything for them.

I do believe there are aliens, I'm pretty sure they have been or are here, however I doubt most of the theories people come up with to explain their purpose.

Originally posted by Triple_helixxx
First hand experience myself.

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Thank You for backing me up! Im glad Im not the only one here with an abduction. It is life changing. I was never a sci-fi kinda guy, I was into sports. But after being abducted it really opens your eyes. For any one who dont want to believe, listen to this. Take every UFO case of all time, how many is there thousands? You know one of them has to be true, I mean whats the odds? That should be enough proof! Alot of people are afraid what other people think. I am in a way my self. But as long as you dont believe, the goverment is doing its job.