Ohio Cleveland to become the first 15 Minute City in US.

15 Minute City is a new buzzword. Here are a couple more..

Gentrification.
Revitalization.

Both mean the same thing. The restoration of run-down urban areas by the middle class (resulting in the displacement of low-income residents).

There are other terms that are less attractive.

Ghetto
Projects.
Barrio.
“Neighborhood”/“The Hood”

Today we can call it Walmart, but the detriments to thriving urban downtowns was suburbanization and supermarkets/mega department stores/malls.

The competition to the Mom and Pop stores by a one stop shopping experience, meant the end of a 15 minute city. Or just city as they used to be called.

a reply to: andy06shake

And that made them racist?

Of course!
In the USA, arithmetic and proper English grammar is considered to be racist.

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
Fifteen minute cities are impractical. Only an idealist would suggest such a stupid idea, especially in the US.

What is impractical about them?

If anything, we should be poised to have 15 minute cities especially if we can bring a lot of our manufacturing back home as well to rejuvenate a lot of our rural areas that have been decimated by globalism.

a reply to: Motorhead

The only way to have a chance of stopping them is to get organised and actively protest. Sitting back and assuming the logic of human nature will doom this project to collapse is a huge error of judgement.

In case you haven't noticed, only liberal ideologist are allowed to protest; all others are entirely ignored by the media or branded domestic terrorists and dispersed.

There has been little to no news coverage on the thousands of people that converged on DC to protest mandatory vaccines, or funding the war in Ukraine-jut to mention a couple. Instead, we get to watch SCOTS justices threatened in their homes for days on end, or looting and burning of towns to protest police brutality for taking out some dope-addled thug with a record of violence longer that the Florida turnpike.

a reply to: Hecate666

Aww bless, efficient city planning is one thing, but do you agree to only be allowed out of your "handy" quartier for a set amount of times or face punishment? Imagine you used up your allowance and it's a nice day and you would love to go to the countryside, but you know you'd have to pay a fine (at first). Later it will be less allowance and harsher punishments, because you will be an eco terrorist or racist or a fascist if you do. Don't tell me it won't go that far, we have all observed how quickly normal people can get discriminated against. Remember the jabbed vs the purebloods?

This part of the 15 minute plan is some kind of diabolical, totalitarian vision that is set to destroy a functional city and turn it into some kind of slow kill concentration camp. Melbourne did try it with its ring of steel around the city during the covid lockdowns. Even taking a walk at your local park was a risky event with the insane directions the police where taking.

It already costs me more if I want or need to travel further, more time and fuel. With all the expansion of toll roads along the east coast, it does cost even more to move around in these parts. Some of them can save some time moving around, but now they have captured the market it does direct more traffic through them.

I don't know where this world is headed as digital currency and surveillance continues to grow. There are some dark and bleak possibilities. If someone wants to kill a city, then shutting down movement is one way to go. The roads are like the life blood of a city. To stop that is like having a stroke.

a reply to: LordAhriman

You work in an active industry. Can you really stay afloat with just yhe clients in a 15 min range? Are you lucky enough to be the choice?

a reply to: vNex92


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We have these pitched in UK too, the cities tend to be much smaller, eg Canterbury (pop. 55k ish). It's protested there, but people know better.

I'm of a view a city cant be 'reversed engineered' and more than a flower can be folded backninto a bud. More to the point the city will always be degined by the mutually acceptable needs of its inhabitants

A FMC - sorry planners jargon - a 15 minute city relies on living, working, commerce, healthcare, education and entertainment facilities being a 15 minute walk from your home, as in times remembered villages. Provide this foundation, to the agreed standard, then fine.

So first maybe we need to define what constitutes, say 'healthcare' - a drugstore counter in a supermarket, or a 'foetal cardiac care unit' or some other specialism as partbof a big hospital - before defining the limits of a FMC community, lest we wind up with village level services.

So, a great way to build cities from scratch, with boundless technology, but no answer to managing the change to an existing.

So, maybe make a city a FMC - and see how long it lasts before depopulating going broke.

a reply to: Ahabstar

I agree with you.

In a way, i feel that the WeF (15 Minute City Project) by the elitists of those in the Wef feels as its another money scheme.

I highly doubt it would go anywhere, they might make some communities smaller communities go with the framework that they envisioned.

Remember that huge city Saudis have in vision for?

Why Saudi Arabia Is Building a Linear City

a reply to: andy06shake

in hindsight some where like that but then the world I grew up in, I'd get sent to buy my fathers smokes from a vending machine.. my pocket money was the 2p change in his packs of no 6.. to get to the machine i had to stand on a wall..

then 15 min cities could work... but successive govs have decimated that world for homes.. under thatcher some 17k homes where built blair/brown it was 9k homes i'm sure none of the more recent ones have faired any better and nimbys prevent local businesses from thriving..

I say that looking at how my birth town evolved (brighton) over my life time.. so much so that brighton displaced its football grounds, waterworks, rubbish out of the town and replaced those spaces with homes.. the hospitals became homes too.. the great sell off covers all political leanings.. and the poor atreas my parents grew up in are now expensive gentrified areas..

local councils love a folly... brighton has the classic to avoid piping in water they thought to dig a well as a cheap option, the well ended up as deep as the empire state is tall.. (its the deepest hand dug well in the world)

Ooo, Ooo, I want to live in District 3.

You'll be placed in soft concentration camps. Fined by the government if you ever want to leave, so you'll stay "voluntarily" to avoid the fines. Can't afford to pay to get out? Too bad. Stay home and cry.

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: LordAhriman
It isn't so dumb if you realise the fact that it won't be a choice to stay within the boundaries.
15 min cities monitor via licence plates how often you leave said boundaries. You'll get an allowance and when you are over you'll be fined.

That's only the start though. They will find reasons to up the game once everyone is used to this as 'soft 15min cities' aren't their end plan.

You really need to read up a little more about the things you so readily agree with.

You are apparently unfamiliar with our friendly neighborhood Lord.

He will happy comply with whatever his Masters tell him to do, and will enthusiastically report anyone and everyone who dares to question his Masters' motives.

I'm sure he was the Hall Monitor in whatever school he attended.

originally posted by: ketsuko
You work in an active industry. Can you really stay afloat with just yhe clients in a 15 min range? Are you lucky enough to be the choice?

Honestly? Yeah. That's well over 100,000 people if you include UCM and Whiteman.

a reply to: butcherguy

Here in the states my closest supermarket is a 38 minute walk. That's not very feasible.
If I opt for the unhealthy option of the convience/corner store (7/11) that walk is 36 mins.
If I walked to my work it would take me 6 hours and 17 mins. lol 18.7 miles. Perhaps therein lies the first push for Work from Home, due to the 'pandemic'
In a nutshell, THEY just don't want you to leave your house. They want you as human capital to be exploited in a little box.

a reply to: vNex92

Nobody noticed The Technocratic™ Global™ Flu D'État™ of 2020, but we're sure starting to see the plans put-in motion now, by the unelected Globalists™ that are now running the show.

We are to be managed like a heard of sheep, because that's what we resemble the most, as a group.

Here is their golden rule : If it can be controlled : control it.
If it can't be controlled : control as many variables as possible, to be able to successfully predict it.

It's like being managed by a bunch of clueless unthinking clerks, who have only one set of rules to follow.

This is why we are now living in a Technocracy™, and not some kind of communist or socialist scenario.

originally posted by: ancientlight
a reply to: vNex92

No different than being a prisoner with an ankle monitor. I'm trying to remain optimistic about the future, that people will revolt and resist this, but it's getting harder and harder

This is no coincidence after the muliple train 'accidents' , all planned

And appearanly also a plane crash full of toxic spill experts (see twitter link) post , again no coincidence!
Why are people not in uproar ?!!

My question is why are people STILL paying for it??

Tax season is coming up, be sure to file so you can finance your own doom.

Smh.

If it's simply, "because I don't want to go to jail" we will NEVER win.

originally posted by: LordAhriman
The horror. I WISH I could walk back and forth to a liquor store in 15 minutes!

I don't know who tells you guys what to be outraged about every week, but this week is REALLY dumb!

it's easy to see which kind of posts get the most replies, and those are the negative ones.

It's highly amusing to see agents show-up here, for the only poipose of gaslighting the good members.

In case there's any doubt : am not talking about the OP.

a reply to: Nothin

Want a truly negative post?

15 Minute Cities are the future in the US when people realize that the electric grid can’t support all EV transportation and collapses.

Hello darkness my old friend…

originally posted by: Creep Thumper
Fifteen minute cities are impractical. Only an idealist would suggest such a stupid idea, especially in the US.

the soviets did it and it didn't work out.


you get a choice of 2 room flats.

no cars. no yards. with connections, you might be able to get 4 rooms.

having people bunched up like that
only benefits the state.

what about factories, offices, libraries council offices, hair dressers, restaurants, cafes., playschools, junior schools, chemists, gps, dentist, opticians clothes shops, train station.. unless you think people only need a supermarket to live the good life..

when I grew up in the 70s we had the locals services that covered it all a few house pubs and a couple of house museums to cover all bases..

we had all the things to make a local life work a superstore doesn't cover it all. the only way to make it work is injecting all the elements they removed in the 60s and 70s, but that means giving up progressive globalism and reindustrialising.. neither of which will happen and neither will the 15 min cities..

I think you forget how 3rd world countries under dictatorships work, & how life under such oppression looks like.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Nothin

What a truly negative post? …

Sorry man, but it bugs my arse to see it happen all of the time here.

It's like the good mods haven't received a skills update to deal with the newer forms of disruption.

My honest opinion is that it's not even detected, let alone learning how to deal with it.
If you guys are seeing it, and discussing what to do : please let us know.

It totally ruined the last couple of 5G threads, until any interested person reading the threads just gets irritated with all of the back-and-forth, page after page of stupid comments, and so hence the good and informative posts are lost in mountains of drivel.

Truly curious folks just tune-out.
It's a great way to bore the hell out of intelligent people, so guess what's left after that ?


But do agree that one of them old cut-out western towns, seemed to have all of the shops in a small area.
But the customers didn't always live so close.
Sometimes their ranch was a couple of hours away from the nearest town.

The invisible underside to this idea, is moving people from the countryside, into large urban areas.
It always fits into their longer-range plans, if one has eyes to see it.

So many of their crappy ideas, are put in a shiny box and sold with a bow on it.
They always use the positive view to sell it, of course.

Everybody would love to have everything they need, within a 15-minute range.
But at what cost ?

What if your wonderful family doctor lives 30 minutes away ?
Will you now be assigned just any Joe-Doctor™, because proximity is more important than trust and care ?