God broke one of the ten commandments and commited one of the seven deadly sins

originally posted by: cooperton
Sodom and Gomorrah were so depraved that when angels were sent to warn them of the consequences of their perversion, they tried to rape the angels. Lot tried to offer his two virgin daughters to the rapacious mob so they wouldnt rape the angels. Thank God the angels were capable of quelling the mob with some miraculous light. Crazy stuff. That alone speaks to the levels of depravity in the city. Not a single righteous person could be found in the whole place besides Abraham and Lot.

Regardless, The ten commandments are for humans, not for God. God knows on a level that is beyond our comprehension and can deal with His creation accordingly... Although for Sodom and Gomorrah it was pretty obvious why their destruction was inevitable.

Yes, classic do as I say not as I do. Classic human behavior. Then again, our idea of god comes out of human writing, not monkey writing.

OP, I know you said you were Christian and this was an issue you were having with it. I can't resolve it for you, I think none of it is logical. What I want to say is I applaud you on asking questions. And I hope the answers you find strengthen your faith.

If there is a god, he's not going to be afraid of a question. Any question.

a reply to: wrayth

Easy answer? Civilization hadn't reach the point where they could record ingrained historical catastrophes in a contemporary context yet?

The story was going to be told either way. Popular stories, like that and The Epic of Gilgamesh (Flood story), had to be incorporated to have colloquial historicity. It was one of History's first RETCONs. Followed immediately in scripture by reworking the great Mesopotamian flood (that was so massive it temporarily connected the Tigris and Euphrates rivers) into a unique flood narrative. Not really speculation either with the core samples.

But to "Sodom and Gomorrah".

We present evidence that in ~ 1650 BCE (~ 3600 years ago), a cosmic airburst destroyed Tall el-Hammam, a Middle-Bronze-Age city in the southern Jordan Valley northeast of the Dead Sea. The proposed airburst was larger than the 1908 explosion over Tunguska, Russia, where a ~ 50-m-wide bolide detonated with ~ 1000× more energy than the Hiroshima atomic bomb. A city-wide ~ 1.5-m-thick carbon-and-ash-rich destruction layer contains peak concentrations of shocked quartz (~ 5–10 GPa); melted pottery and mudbricks; diamond-like carbon; soot; Fe- and Si-rich spherules; CaCO3 spherules from melted plaster; and melted platinum, iridium, nickel, gold, silver, zircon, chromite, and quartz. Heating experiments indicate temperatures exceeded 2000 °C. Amid city-side devastation, the airburst demolished 12+ m of the 4-to-5-story palace complex and the massive 4-m-thick mudbrick rampart, while causing extreme disarticulation and skeletal fragmentation in nearby humans. An airburst-related influx of salt (~ 4 wt.%) produced hypersalinity, inhibited agriculture, and caused a ~ 300–600-year-long abandonment of ~ 120 regional settlements within a > 25-km radius

It's an account, not necessarily the correct account, but absolutely based in oral tradition.

Finally, "No, rape my daughters instead of the angels, angry mob of degenerates!" Best Father since Abraham.

originally posted by: visitedbythem
Just wait till you see what he does to America, and soon. You were warned. America has turned its back on the Living God, and has been warned multiple times. Next step is same as Israel received. Attack right here on this continent. The US is slated for destruction. The smoke goes up forever.

You are so right! And that destruction will happen in one hour. And then the whole world will watch as the smoke rises from lost Babylon.

originally posted by: TzarChasm

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: wrayth
First off on this topic, Sodom and Gomorrah.

here god committed the deadly sin of wrath, and broke one of the ten commandments by committing murder

Wasn’t the sin of wrath as you suggest
It was an act of love called judgement

Was the allies actions in WW2 an act of wrath?
Is waging war on ISIS wrath
Is locking up a criminal or executing a murderer wrath or justice?

Love? Is that what you said?

Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

Something doesn't add up here.

True justice is rehabilitation, not execution or the correctional industry. Plenty of users here have remarked on the fiscal and ethical imbalance created by preserving serial rapists and sadists, or on the flip side, weaponizing the system to punish political opponents for seemingly petty offense. Clearly justice is a complicated matter. But genocide isn't.

originally posted by: cooperton
Sodom and Gomorrah were so depraved that when angels were sent to warn them of the consequences of their perversion, they tried to rape the angels. Lot tried to offer his two virgin daughters to the rapacious mob so they wouldnt rape the angels. Thank God the angels were capable of quelling the mob with some miraculous light. Crazy stuff. That alone speaks to the levels of depravity in the city. Not a single righteous person could be found in the whole place besides Abraham and Lot.

Regardless, The ten commandments are for humans, not for God. God knows on a level that is beyond our comprehension and can deal with His creation accordingly... Although for Sodom and Gomorrah it was pretty obvious why their destruction was inevitable.

What do you get when an arbitrator of justice and truth considers themselves immune to the very tenets they claim to represent?

You really believe you are a judge of humans that everyone can be rehabilitated? How many times they reject the offer of "rehabilitation" does it take to say "No rehabilitation is possible"

a reply to: wrayth

God can not break HIS commandments, HE made them for US and NOT for him, unlike us he is fit to wield power and does not kill HIS children without just cause and he of course keeps there Souls to face a judgement and potential recreation into something new at a later date.

God is NOT a hypocrite but someone trying to put themselves on a pedestal as if they were God actually IS playing the hypocrite.

The Devil is evil in every way, he was once an angel of light or so they say but turned to hatred because GOD created mankind and he thought it was all going to be his until God created children in his own image.

Those that worship the devil are blind to the fact they are seeking patronage from the being that hates them the most, maybe they had an abusive upbringing or something and associate abuse with love so have twisted crossed wires in their damaged brains or something but in essence they are simply sick and twisted people.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

God could fix them. He absolutely could make them be exactly what He wants them to be. The problem with this is that it would involve taking away their autonomy and freedom to choose.

If God were into that, the very same people demanding He "rehabilitate" them would hate Him for being an oppressive tyrant who rewrites the wills of those who do not conform.

originally posted by: Mahogany

Yes, classic do as I say not as I do. Classic human behavior. Then again, our idea of god comes out of human writing, not monkey writing

No, it's unanimous that a city of rapists is a bad thing.

I think none of it is logical.

It makes sense to punish a mob of rapists. What logic are you missing?

God broke one of the ten commandments

?

How about Thou shall not commit murder? You know, when he tried to kill everyone on the planet?

a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Murder is arbitrary. What He did was not arbitrary. There was a reason for it. You may disagree with the reason, but maybe someday, you will get to question Him if you are impertinent enough.

originally posted by: All Seeing Eye

How about Thou shall not commit murder? You know, when he tried to kill everyone on the planet?

He saved the earth and the remaining righteous people on the planet from a totalitarian race of fallen angels.

a reply to: wrayth

You don't need to defend God, God is Souvereign and does not sin.

a reply to: cooperton

Sorry, but if Lot was righteous he would've offered his own ass instead of offering to throw his daughters to the wolves.

Sodom being as depraved as they are described, any old hole would've sufficed.


For all his hospitality wrt the angels, he loses his wife and his daughters make him drunk and has sex with him.

Bear in mind after they fled Sodom they went to a town called Zoar which wasn't destroyed because apparently there were worthy people, and the wine was really, really, really good. However there was no man to marry his daughters apparently.


So off they went to the cave with booze and Lot impregnated his daughters which basically turns this into 99% of clips on pornhub.

Now I'm not a Supreme being, but even I can see the redundancy of 'rescuing Lot from depravity only to see him pork his daughters and they get a pass from this same 'righteous' God.


His wife, never mind her character, was reduced to a pillar of salt because the mind game of 'I told you so' seemed a bigger filler than Lot having a companion in life.

Save the angels from being raped but they can't shield Lot's wife from looking back?

Are the angels even righteous?

When Lot commits incest with his daughters in spite of eligible men living close by, what was the point of intervening in his life to save him from depravity when he loses his wife and ends up committing the worst kind of depravity with his own children?


This is clearly a God of the most unimpressive idealism.

Save you from depravity? Check.

End up porking your kids? Check.

This is why I find religious spirituality to be the most lazy kind of grifting one can put oneself through.

All for a God whose actions would outright horrify you if committed by anyone else but because he is the bestest, most greatest thing because he says he is exactly that and all who disagrees will suffer for not letting him know how great they think he is by endlessly stroking his ego through prayers of want and self-castigation.

Oh you're so great.

Oh we're so useless without you.


This is the bottom of the barrel when it comes to my idea of spirituality.

Your God appears to be primitive, crude and I grade him below average when he comes up with solutions for his 'chosen people'.


He didn't intervene due to the incestuous actions of his prize follower but I can promise you he was watching.

The angels were watching.


Now apart from the obvious dirty kink this God allows, it makes you look back at Sodom and Gomorrah and you have to wonder what exactly they did that caused their destruction if incest was acceptable in the eyes of the most holey of holies?

a reply to: LABTECH767

unlike us he is fit to wield power and does not kill HIS children without just cause and

This is what I don't get.


Surely there were pregnant women in Noah's time just before the flood.

He basically aborted every unborn child, every child born hours before the flood were drowned.


You're telling me there were no good people on the whole planet?


If you've ever traveled extensively you would realize that that is an impossible lie and that you will find amazing people in every country on earth, no matter how bad the situation or how terrible the dominating belief.

Why aren't believers exercising good judgment when they choose their avenue of spirituality.


The Jewish God is one of the most primitively contradictory set of ideals ever conceived and it is not even subtle it's right there in your face.

Imagine the collective terror all the people, and animals, felt before they met their watery death.

As far as animal cruelty goes, this mediocre God does not give 2 cents.


The Bible would've been a Monty Python encyclopedia of the spiritually absurd if it weren't for all the tragic atrocities committed through the millenia it has inspired and used as justification.

originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: cooperton
Sodom and Gomorrah were so depraved that when angels were sent to warn them of the consequences of their perversion, they tried to rape the angels. Lot tried to offer his two virgin daughters to the rapacious mob so they wouldnt rape the angels. Thank God the angels were capable of quelling the mob with some miraculous light. Crazy stuff. That alone speaks to the levels of depravity in the city. Not a single righteous person could be found in the whole place besides Abraham and Lot.

Regardless, The ten commandments are for humans, not for God. God knows on a level that is beyond our comprehension and can deal with His creation accordingly... Although for Sodom and Gomorrah it was pretty obvious why their destruction was inevitable.

Correct.



There comes a time when the cancer has to be removed or the entire human race will degenerate into this!

I don't get why that hard to understand. Once something is that far gone, there is no coming back.

Pray for us because this is the road we are heading down currently.

originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: LABTECH767

unlike us he is fit to wield power and does not kill HIS children without just cause and

He basically aborted every unborn child, every child born hours before the flood were drowned.


You're telling me there were no good people on the whole planet?


If you've ever traveled extensively you would realize that that is an impossible lie and that you will find amazing people in every country on earth, no matter how bad the situation or how terrible the dominating belief.

First of all you're talking about 2023 right now, not the time of the flood. Would it be right comparing two different ages in this situation?

12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: All Seeing Eye

Murder is arbitrary. What He did was not arbitrary. There was a reason for it. You may disagree with the reason, but maybe someday, you will get to question Him if you are impertinent enough.

Yes there was a reason!

First, I do not ascribe to your religious beliefs. The god that ordered the destruction is not the God that created the universe, solar systems, or planets. Nor is he the God that created our souls, spirits. He is a impostor!

He is of flesh and blood that has fooled mankind into worshiping him. He is the god of the Moon. And the moon itself is a impostor, a false planet.

When it comes time for my judgment I will be judged on the content of my heart, and my soul. And my reasoning for who to honor and respect will be known, and who I refuse to, and the reasons behind my choice. I will die with a clear conscience.

I refuse to worship the Moon god!

originally posted by: cooperton

originally posted by: Mahogany

Yes, classic do as I say not as I do. Classic human behavior. Then again, our idea of god comes out of human writing, not monkey writing

No, it's unanimous that a city of rapists is a bad thing.

I think none of it is logical.

It makes sense to punish a mob of rapists. What logic are you missing?

The Vatican? Or are you talking about the child molesters and rapists spread throughout the church?

And god isn't smiting any of them. When was the last time god smote a child molester; a rapist? When was the last time one of these monsters dropped in the middle of a sermon? You can't even get them fired, they just move them from one parish to another.

a reply to: wrayth

don't be breaking the God's old testament laws, which are still the same in the new and haven't changed one jot or tittle but he has become more merciful

two vs come to mind.

Nahum 1:2
New American Standard Bibl
A jealous and avenging God is the Lord; The Lord is avenging and [a]wrathful. The Lord takes vengeance on His adversaries, And He reserves wrath for His enemies.

Isaiah 55:8-9 New American Standard Bible
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the Lord. 9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts.

a reply to: 19Bones79

Lot wasn't going to allow depravity to a Holy angel, and as hard as it is for us humans to understand and know it is wrong, his daughters were human and it was what Lot figured was the lesser evil - to keep the angels safe. Not that he needed to as they were capable of taking care of themselves.

The daughters thought the entire world had ended. It was vital for women to have children, male children, in order to survive and to have any kind of status/acceptance. Having children ensured they would be taken care of in their old age. They also wanted to keep the bloodline pure which was essential in the culture as well as the nephilim that was living with humans.

Lot was drunk for two nights and didn't know what he was doing. He would have never consented to having sex with his daughters (he was a righteous man) if he was fully cognizant.

God is worthy of our praise and He does take care of us, we just have to trust him and keep our faith in Him - something the daughters didn't do when they decided on their own to take action based on their own thinking and needs. There were men in Zoar, but again they thought the entire world had been destroyed.

Having freewill and not consulting with God, asking for guidance, keeping faith will create consequences. God won't intervene unless we ask Him to. The daughters did not consider God at the time of their decision.

a reply to: Untun

Are you asking me to consider the possibility that the passage of time had an effect on the significance of what it means to indiscriminately kill thousands(millions?) of innocent children?