The search for Lake Huron flying object is being suspended. Here’s why

The search for an unidentified flying object shot down over Lake Huron last weekend has been suspended, the RCMP said Thursday, citing “deteriorating weather and the low probability of recovery.”


The update came hours after U.S. President Joe Biden said that object and two others shot down over Canada and the U.S. do not appear to have come from China or any other country and did not have surveillance capabilities.

The RCMP said in a statement it is continuing to search for the remains of the object brought down over Yukon last Saturday, but noted that operation is also proving to be difficult.

The search for Lake Huron flying object is being suspended. Here’s why

So, it looks like they've already called off the search in Lake Huron.

AND

According to this article they're setting the stage to call the Yukon search off too.

Saving face for letting the REAL Chinese spy balloon cross our countries unhindered IMO.

ETA: they admit that these were just normal, everyday, weather/hobby balloons now. So, that's it? Erm....ok.

originally posted by: MykeNukem
Saving face for letting the REAL Chinese spy balloon cross our countries unhindered IMO.

BINGO! I've said that ever since the first "shoot down" where Trudeau and Biden flipped a coin to determine who would tell THE BIG LIE.

Worst President Ever!

a reply to: MykeNukem

They've already said that they may have been. The one over the Yukon appears to be a pico balloon launched by a hobbyist group. They said like the next day that they may have been commercial or scientific balloons and there was no immediate evidence to tie them to China or any other nation. All three came down in nasty areas to try to recover anything, so it's no surprise that they are calling off the search in Lake Huron. If the Yukon one was a pico balloon, it's going to be almost impossible to find, because they're pretty small balloons carrying a tiny payload.

It's an over reaction because of all the people that didn't get that we were getting as much or more intel from the Chinese balloon, and were freaking out about it not being shot down.

a reply to: MykeNukem

That makes no sense if it was assumed to be a piece of alien hardware. It would be priceless...unless they knew it was simply a balloon that they had put up themselves.

The fighter jet at the instant of firing would have the exact GPS coordinates where the incident happened. It certainly was not just "out over the huge lake somewhere...."

More proof that it was an self-initiated false flag to stir the public up.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MykeNukem

They've already said that they may have been. The one over the Yukon appears to be a pico balloon launched by a hobbyist group. They said like the next day that they may have been commercial or scientific balloons and there was no immediate evidence to tie them to China or any other nation. All three came down in nasty areas to try to recover anything, so it's no surprise that they are calling off the search in Lake Huron. If the Yukon one was a pico balloon, it's going to be almost impossible to find, because they're pretty small balloons carrying a tiny payload.

It's an over reaction because of all the people that didn't get that we were getting as much or more intel from the Chinese balloon, and were freaking out about it not being shot down.

That doesn't seem strange after all the hub bub?

We don't differentiate, we just haphazardly start shooting stuff out of the sky? For political purposes?

I think they just did it to create a distraction for letting the real spy balloon cross the land.

Otherwise, I've lost my confidence in the USAF and RCAF, like, really, that's crazy.

ETA: I do understand the letting it go to a certain extent to gather intelligence, but that doesn't take long. Basically looking for an addy that it transmits to, I'd imagine. It's not like it would have any data to transmit anyway, since, they claimed to have jammed those capabilities was my understanding.

No?

a reply to: MykeNukem

They need to get that missile too.

a reply to: MykeNukem

There is reason why suspended it was nonsense.

a reply to: MykeNukem

They spent several days collecting signals from it. The more signals we collect, the better the chance of breaking any encryption. It's still sending out signals, and data if it's jammed, it's just not going anywhere. If a receiver gets close enough, it can intercept the signals and pick them out of the jamming, and we can analyze them.

a reply to: Observer19

And what do you think happens when it gets underwater and sinks to the bottom? It doesn't just go straight down to the bottom, it's carried by currents. And once it's on the bottom, there's all kinds of debris and crud on the bottom that you have to sort through and pick out any possible electronics package. If it's a very small package, good luck finding it in all the crap on the bottom.

a reply to: Zaphod58
Zap, are there details you can tell us that have not been officially stated? Or did I miss a briefing about "signals?"

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MykeNukem

They spent several days collecting signals from it. The more signals we collect, the better the chance of breaking any encryption. It's still sending out signals, and data if it's jammed, it's just not going anywhere. If a receiver gets close enough, it can intercept the signals and pick them out of the jamming, and we can analyze them.

Yea, I just figured they'd record the signals for awhile and analyze them later. Even my SDR USB dongle allows me to do that.

I'm sure you've been asked this before, so forgive me if it's redundant, but has that been standard practice in the past? Or is this the first we know of it? I'm aware of Hawaii and the other one (can't remember where), but other that that, I mean.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MykeNukem

They've already said that they may have been. The one over the Yukon appears to be a pico balloon launched by a hobbyist group. They said like the next day that they may have been commercial or scientific balloons and there was no immediate evidence to tie them to China or any other nation. All three came down in nasty areas to try to recover anything, so it's no surprise that they are calling off the search in Lake Huron. If the Yukon one was a pico balloon, it's going to be almost impossible to find, because they're pretty small balloons carrying a tiny payload.

It's an over reaction because of all the people that didn't get that we were getting as much or more intel from the Chinese balloon, and were freaking out about it not being shot down.

That doesn't seem strange after all the hub bub?

We don't differentiate, we just haphazardly start shooting stuff out of the sky? For political purposes?

I think they just did it to create a distraction for letting the real spy balloon cross the land.

Otherwise, I've lost my confidence in the USAF and RCAF, like, really, that's crazy.

ETA: I do understand the letting it go to a certain extent to gather intelligence, but that doesn't take long. Basically looking for an addy that it transmits to, I'd imagine. It's not like it would have any data to transmit anyway, since, they claimed to have jammed those capabilities was my understanding.

No?

again sounds like the movie 1941, not exactly a good look for our military at all, except these Top Guns either identified them as balloons and shot them down, or spotted them still didn't know what they were and shot them down. EITHER WAY A BAD LOOK.

So end the debate and show the videos, I'd imagine they would look right stupid shooting down a balloon with a sidewinder, not to mention missing one shot. Why wasn't there a military person saying we do not have to fire on these objects, just because we let China all up in our goodies

I can believe the story but show the proof

a reply to: Observer19

We're talking about the Chinese balloon that was allowed to travel across the country. All of the aircraft that were tracking it as it moved across the country were ELINT/SIGINT capable, except one that monitors radar signals. That one spent 14 hours monitoring it one day, which included launching an alert tanker to refuel them to stay on station.

a reply to: MykeNukem

They didn't have the assets in Hawaii to record any signals. Guam, it would depend on which RC was currently on rotation in Okinawa. They could launch the U-2 out of Korea with an ELINT package, but it would be pretty limited.

The RCs and U-2 would grab anything they could, and record it, then they would analyze it later using one of the big computers on the ground. They can either broadcast it in flight to a ground station over datalink, or they could simply record and download on the ground.

a reply to: putnam6

They aren't going to release the F-22 videos. I don't think they've ever released F-22 HUD video. At least not that I can remember. They might release the F-16s, but not until they've both gotten anything they can from it, and scrubbed it to get any information that might be gotten from it censored.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MykeNukem

They didn't have the assets in Hawaii to record any signals. Guam, it would depend on which RC was currently on rotation in Okinawa. They could launch the U-2 out of Korea with an ELINT package, but it would be pretty limited.

The RCs and U-2 would grab anything they could, and record it, then they would analyze it later using one of the big computers on the ground. They can either broadcast it in flight to a ground station over datalink, or they could simply record and download on the ground.

So they would be aware almost immediately that these other balloons were not transmitting anything spy related is what concerns me.

They shot them down for political theater in other words.

Also, we only know of 5 balloons, and at least two of them were false alarms. That's the other thing that makes me go hmmm.

I know you don't think there was shenanigans, but I can't help but think there was.

Appreciate your expertise though, as always Zaph, I just think they've lost their minds, lol.

Nothing to see here. These aren’t the droids we are looking for.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: putnam6

They aren't going to release the F-22 videos. I don't think they've ever released F-22 HUD video. At least not that I can remember. They might release the F-16s, but not until they've both gotten anything they can from it, and scrubbed it to get any information that might be gotten from it censored.

So the official story is we've been tracking them and we had actually pilots see these objects, and they didn't realize they were balloons and recommended shooting them down and the military chain of command decided the best course of action was to shoot down a dry cleaner bag as well. Certainly, the higher-ups got to see cockpit videos and they still thought to shoot it down?

It can't be the first time the military has seen weather balloons, but this time we have to shoot them down?

a reply to: MykeNukem

It happens every time there’s something that gets people up in arms. It isn’t just this administration. As someone pointed out in the mega thread though, it’s possible the pico balloon was sending out signals in a range that would cause interference to radar signals. That could easily be mistaken for some kind of ECM, and the way those signals only transmit when there’s enough power would explain why some pilots saw interference and others didn’t.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: MykeNukem
The one over the Yukon appears to be a pico balloon launched by a hobbyist group.

The Yukon Territory has a population of less than 44K residents (source). There's a balloon hobby group? Who would have thought that's a fun passtime in the area in the middle of winter!

It's an over reaction because of all the people that didn't get that we were getting as much or more intel from the Chinese balloon, and were freaking out about it not being shot down.

You can say this as often as you like Zaph but it still isn't a good enough excuse, for a common tax paying citizen like me, to let it cross over several states. I'm not talking about surveillance. The risk that the Chinese have figured out a way to use it to deliver something deadly is too high.