Second Russian Spacecraft Springs a Leak while Docked at the ISS

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I was talking to my dad the other day. He grew up during the cold war, and never trusted the government. He isnt like a sovereign citizen type but we own 100 acres of wooded land. He wants to be prepared for anything I guess you could say.

Well he watches the news and I brought up most of what's on the news can't be trusted like cnn. Well he didn't like that and said trump calling them fake news is false. I argued that doing research can prove otherwise. That research can be manipulated too he thinks. Such as the dominion machine sold at goodwill. He said can you prove that. I guess really I can't. I wasn't there.

He thinks everything is propaganda down to every detail with that explanation. Whatever we are told we are being told for a specific reason. Whether it's Russia, china, or the USA. It's hard to find what is real, and what isn't unless you're there.

I agree to an extent, but that's a dangerous way to live. Paranoid, and never trusting anything. I think he was saying don't take everything at face value. There is a reason for everything we see.

a reply to: Crumbles

There comes a point where, although scepticism is healthy, some folk risk throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

a reply to: Crumbles

After living in this world for 53 years, I don't think you dad is far off. I think most of what we are told is propaganda, though you can see the truth in some things just be using common sense.

We are intentionally being divided, it really, really, really, looks like outside influence. Really. For some unknown reason the FBI is looking the other way on some fairly significant things, or there is a gargantuanly huge bad thing going on. (that part remains to be seen)

The old saying "trust, but verify" seems to be a good way to go. And when you find you have been lied to, remember that.

But having some land to escape to and enjoy seems really smart to me. I hope you are able to enjoy it with your dad. later in life, it may not be that easy to do.

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He's stubborn, and I kept trying. Just stuck in his views. There is a reason we are all here. Whether that be we saw a UFO, something weird, conspiracy in general, or purely being here to debate politics.

a reply to: network dude

We are being divided, and you see it in everything everyday. Families divided, friends. Coworkers. It's sad, but I understand why they want this. If we all agree they can't play us so easily.

I hope so. It is a nice property passed down over the last couple hundred years. My family owns the 1k acres surrounding it as well.

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: network dude

We are being divided, and you see it in everything everyday. Families divided, friends. Coworkers. It's sad, but I understand why they want this. If we all agree they can't play us so easily.

I hope so. It is a nice property passed down over the last couple hundred years. My family owns the 1k acres surrounding it as well.

sounds like a great place. Any ponds, creeks, or rivers on the property?

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: network dude

I was talking to my dad the other day. He grew up during the cold war, and never trusted the government.

He thinks everything is propaganda down to every detail with that explanation. Whatever we are told we are being told for a specific reason. Whether it's Russia, china, or the USA. It's hard to find what is real, and what isn't unless you're there.

I agree to an extent, but that's a dangerous way to live. Paranoid, and never trusting anything. I think he was saying don't take everything at face value. There is a reason for everything we see.

I fully agree with your dad, and I think you should listen to him more closely. Probably the issue is that you simply don't like what he has to say, because it's the cold truth. Many people struggle with that, I see it every day. It's very unsettling to see the world for what it is, but it's the first step into maturity. But once you cross that frontier, you cannot go back, and you learn to live with it.

Distrust and caution are the parents of security, Benjamin Franklin used to say, he was not wrong. Why would you think that is dangerous?... Trusting things face value is the dangerous thing to do. Just look around, because people trusted their "politicians and doctors" these last 2 years, today you have millions suffering blood-clots, myocarditis, many types of facial paralysis, immune disorders, dying suddenly, etc. It's no joke.

Trust your friends, the people you love, your family, your good neighbours, trust your animals, trust yourself. That's all you need to trust. The news and politics are a show, and if 9/11 (topic on which ALL politicians and ALL media lie) hasn't shown that to everyone already, I don't know what will. You are far better not trusting (and even listening) to any of that. The minute that you trusted, it's the minute that you've got played.

Then, paranoid is seeing things that are not there, imaginary fears. The fact that governments and media lie to us all is not imaginary, it's a clear and obvious fact.

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I think it's dangerous, because when you trust nothing you shut yourself off from everything. I'm not saying don't be skeptical. Just there are levels.

Correct. And they never were.

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a reply to: network dude

I like it. I didn't go much for 5 years or so I'm not sure why. I mostly use it as a range to shoot now days. Yes it has 5 acres of grass rest wooded with a pond in the middle and a creek in the far back.

The pond is iffy as far as the fish though. The corn/bean fields around I'm sure drain into it somewhat. We had to have multiple wells dug before we found an uncontaminated one. Had to go real deep I believe. Around here wells are usually shallow.

Not everything is propaganda. Some of it is just lies with no political motive.

a reply to: Crumbles

originally posted by: Crumbles
a reply to: ltrz2025
I think it's dangerous, because when you trust nothing you shut yourself off from everything. I'm not saying don't be skeptical. Just there are levels.

The media and the government are "everything" for you? Because that's what your dad, or myself, or some other members here are only pointing out that should be doubted. Nothing else. But well, of course, free will always.

Trust your dad!

a reply to: ltrz2025

As the famed sage Daniel Patrick Moynihan said " Ever one is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled to their own set of facts"

It is becoming rather tiresome listening to the conspiracy types "its fake", "False flag" when confronted by facts opposed to the conspiracy fantasy they believe in

At some point have to accept that the evidence shown is the truth and that the point of view held by them is wrong.....

a reply to: ltrz2025

Of course not, but most important information comes from media/social, and the government. Which is what my dad was trying to say. It's hard to prove anything unless you're a witness or trust who's giving the info. My dad also was eager to get the covid vaccine to get back to work. He blindly trusted that. When I bring up it not stopping the spread or stopping anyone from contracting it. He kinda just didn't believe me.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: ltrz2025
As the famed sage Daniel Patrick Moynihan said " Ever one is entitled to their own opinion. They are not entitled to their own set of facts"
It is becoming rather tiresome listening to the conspiracy types "its fake", "False flag" when confronted by facts opposed to the conspiracy fantasy they believe in.
At some point have to accept that the evidence shown is the truth and that the point of view held by them is wrong.....

As you said, you are entitled to your opinion over what is tiresome. To me, it's tiresome to hear people falling for the mainstream media lies 24/7 and youtube videos without considering that they can be easily faked or produced, as we have seen clearly the last 3 years. That being said, a youtube video and an article does not constitute a fact or evidence, it's simply an unconfirmed version of something. Facts requiere verification, I don't see any in this case.

a reply to: ltrz2025

That being said, a youtube video and an article does not constitute a fact or evidence

Although the follow up article posted by NASA on their Website confirming the leak and that they are helping Roscosmos troubleshoot the problem constitutes both fact and evidence.

The reason for the loss of coolant in the Progress 82 spacecraft is being investigated. The hatches between the Progress 82 and the station are open, and temperatures and pressures aboard the station are all normal. The crew, which was informed of the cooling loop leak, is in no danger and continuing with normal space station operations.

NASA specialists are assisting their Russian counterparts in the troubleshooting of the Progress 82 coolant leak. Officials are monitoring all International Space Station systems and are not tracking any other issues.
blogs.nasa.gov...

a reply to: gortex

No buddy, they are still government sources. The Russian space agency has as many reasons to lie as NASA, and they actually work together. That's not a verification, that's a conflict of interest. Sorry, don't mean to give you a hard time, but facts are facts.

I wonder if they can do a spacewalk to examine the source of the leak.

Roscosmos will launce a replacement ship on Feb 24th to bring the stranded ISS crew members home.

Earlier on Saturday, the Russian space agency said that chief designers had now recommended that the launch of the rescue ship be set for 03:34 am (00:34 GMT) on February 24.

The Soyuz MS-23 had been carefully examined, and no damage had been found, the space agency said.

Now a state commission has to sign off on the new date.

The Roscosmos official told AFP that the state commission was widely expected to approve the new launch date.
www.sciencealert.com...

Good luck chaps.