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Originally posted by MaskedAvatar
It's good to understand where the dogma comes from in any influential religion, and worth a look for anyone who hasn't read the Qu'ran.
There are quite a few nature documentary style featurettes on Moslem-funded community TV that point out how the intricate workings of this dragonfly or that fish could only have been brought about by the divine wisdom and perfect creation of Allah, and not by evolution. Equally easy to substitute the name of deity of your choice in my opinion.
I am not sure that new scientific discoveries will move any closer to proving the creation myth of any scriptures. But I do think there is value in understanding the workings of other religions. Helps you get on with people a little easier.
Originally posted by groingrinder
Why does it say WE did this and WE did that. How many gods are there???
Originally posted by Tamahu
Author anonymous.
""I am about to type out another extremely relevant post in a sec. when I get back to my desk, but, as for your question about the Quran,
It is definitely not as tampered with as the bible is. One way that this is known is because the Quran was written based on a mathematical code. Every letter has a number value, as letters were originally numbers. Arabic letters and values are vary important in the science of islam. The Quran is based on a Alpha-numerical code of 19."
check it out:
**[THIS IS A SHORT SUMMARY OF CODE]**
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
"One of the Great Miracles" [74:35]
The Quran is characterized by a unique phenomenon never found in any human authored book. Every element of the Quran is mathematically composed - the suras, the verses, the words, the number of certain letters, the number of words from the same root, the number and variety of divine names, the unique spelling of certain words, the absence or deliberate alteration of certain letters within certain words, and many other elements of the Quran besides its content. There are two major facets of the Quran's mathematical system: (1) The mathematical literary composition, and (2) The mathematical structure involving the numbers of suras and verses. Because of this comprehensive mathematical coding, the slightest distortion of the Quran's text or physical arrangement is immediately exposed.
SIMPLE TO UNDERSTAND IMPOSSIBLE TO IMITATE
For the first time in history we have a scripture with built-in proof of divine authorship - a superhuman mathematical composition.
Any reader of this book can easily verify the Quran's mathematical miracle. The word "God" (Allah) is written in bold capital letters throughout the text. The cumulative frequency of occurrence of the word "God" is noted at the bottom of each page in the left hand corner. The number in the right hand corner is the cumulative total of the numbers for verses containing the word "God." The last page of the text, Page 372, shows that the total occurrence of the word "God" is 2698, or 19x142. The total sum of verse numbers for all verses containing the word "God" is 118123, also a multiple of 19 (118123 = 19x6217).
Nineteen is the common denominator throughout the Quran's mathematical system.
This phenomenon alone suffices as incontrovertible proof that the Quran is God's message to the world. No human being(s) could have kept track of 2698 occurrences of the word "God," and the numbers of verses where they occur. This is especially impossible in view of (1) the age of ignorance during which the Quran was revealed, and (2) the fact that the suras and verses were widely separated in time and place of revelation. The chronological order of revelation was vastly different from the final format (Appendix 23). However, the Quran's mathematical system is not limited to the word "God;" it is extremely vast, extremely intricate, and totally comprehensive.
THE SIMPLE FACTS
Like the Quran itself, the Quran's mathematical coding ranges from the very simple, to the very complex. The Simple Facts are those observations that can be ascertained without using any tools. The complex facts require the assistance of a calculator or a computer. The following facts do not require any tools to be verified, but please remember they all refer to the original Arabic text:
1. The first verse (1:1),known as "Basmalah," consists of 19 letters.
2. The Quran consists of 114 suras, which is ..............19 x 6.
3. The total number of verses in the Quran is 6346, or ....19 x 334. [6234 numbered verses & 112 un-numbered verses (Basmalahs) 6234+112 = 6346] Note that 6+3+4+6 =.......19.
4. The Basmalah occurs 114 times, despite its conspicuous absence from Sura 9 (it occurs twice in Sura 27) & 114= 19x6.
5. From the missing Basmalah of Sura 9 to the extra Basmalah of Sura 27, there are precisely ...............19 suras.
6. It follows that the total of the sura numbers from 9 to 27 (9+10+11+12+...+26+27) is 342, or .............19 x 18.
7. This total (342) also equals the number of words between the two Basmalahs of Sura 27, and 342 = ........19 x 18.
8. The famous first revelation (96:1-5) consists of .......19 words.
9. This 19-worded first revelation consists of 76 letters .19 x 4.
10. Sura 96, first in the chronological sequence, consists of .....................................................19 verses.
11. This first chronological sura is placed atop the last ..19 suras.
12. Sura 96 consists of 304 Arabic letters, and 304 equals .19 x 16.
13. The last revelation (Sura 110) consists of ............19 words.
14. The first verse of the last revelation (110:1) consists of ................19 letters.
15. 14 different Arabic letters, form 14 different sets of "Quranic Initials" (such as A.L.M. of 2:1), and prefix 29 suras. These numbers add up to 14+14+29 = 57 = ......19 x 3.
16. The total of the 29 sura numbers where the Quranic Initials occur is 2+3+7+...+50+68 = 822, and 822+14 (14 sets of initials) equals 836, or ................. 19 x 44.
17. Between the first initialed sura (Sura 2) and the last initialed sura (Sura 68) there are 38 un-initialed suras 19 x 2.
18. Between the first and last initialed sura there are ....19 sets of alternating "initialed" and "un-initialed" suras.
19. The Quran mentions 30 different numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50,000, & 100,000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, which equals 19x8534.
This is a condensed summary of the Simple Facts.
**[THE ADVANCED FACTS ARE EVEN MORE INCREDIBLE]**"
Originally posted by mikromarius
Love your signature, CoLD aNGeR!
Originally posted by CoLD aNGeR
Originally posted by mikromarius
Love your signature, CoLD aNGeR!
Which sentence?
Originally posted by Tamahu
I wasn't trying to prove that the Quran was dictated by any mystery god. The person who originally posted that on another message board wasn't either. He was just trying to show the mathematical accuracy of the men who did write it.
Originally posted by mikromarius
Originally posted by groingrinder
Why does it say WE did this and WE did that. How many gods are there???
It is due to the same reason Genesis says "Let US create man". It's called majesty pluralis. The word for God is even a plural word: Elohim. It means Powers. God is the powers of Creation. God is Love.
Many people, especially Christians with no understanding of language, history and culture, have often misinterpreted this as meaning God is somehow more than one, thus giving support for the idea that the Father and the Son are two separate "parts" in God. The Father or the Creator is the United Forces of Creation if you like.
Blessings,
Mikromarius
Originally posted by Tamahu
The Masonic Nation of Islam, say that Islam was the black mans culture before the religion of Islam ever came to be. According to the Moor known as Noble Drew Ali, the Moors were black men who preserved the culture and science of Islam.
Anyway; there's a huge connection between the Masons, Nation of Islam and Moorish Science. All these guys study the Kabbalah. Much of the knowledge is based on the writings of Tehuti/Thoth as admitted by the "Three Initiates" who wrote the modern Kybalion.
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Originally posted by Tamahu
The Masonic Nation of Islam, say that Islam was the black mans culture before the religion of Islam ever came to be. According to the Moor known as Noble Drew Ali, the Moors were black men who preserved the culture and science of Islam.
Anyway; there's a huge connection between the Masons, Nation of Islam and Moorish Science. All these guys study the Kabbalah. Much of the knowledge is based on the writings of Tehuti/Thoth as admitted by the "Three Initiates" who wrote the modern Kybalion.