The distruction of the Chinese balloon and the idiots in charge

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: The GUT

Yep the sensor package separated from the balloon and fell 60,000 feet into the ocean. From that height and impact into the ocean good luck on retrieving anything meaningful or for that matter anything at all of the sensor package. Of course the balloon floated and streamed down like a friggen balloon; not like a brick.. Was it an auto eject of the sensor package or just the result of the balloon's destruction ? To many questions and as a result of this engagement few answers will be forth coming IMO !

Precisely. There is no mention whatsoever of the PAYLOAD in the controlled media. Breitbart - no mention. Even in the 4,777 odd comments on their headline article about the balloon, the first two or three hundred don't even talk about the payload, (I gave up at that point). Thegatewaypundit - no mention of the PAYLOAD. The most important thing IF it were a 'surveillance balloon' would be to get the PAYLOAD and examine it. Now there is no mention whatsoever of what the balloon was actually 'spying' on America with...

And strangely enough, they couldn't send a helicopter or plane up to photograph the PAYLOAD close up, before they shot it down. Odd that, isn't it. And the public are so unbelievably stupid, that 99% of them won't even ask the basic questions I'm asking here.

originally posted by: 727Sky

Yes however, silicone, hard drives, and radio transmitters not so much IMO. The sensor array was supposedly the size of a school bus.. Depending on the aerodynamics of the package it would be interesting of what the actual terminal velocity of the package was..? I have been told the depth of the water is less than 50 ft in the impact area which means divers can reach the bottom if anything is worth retrieving..Standby although for some reason I have my doubts anything truthful will be reveled one way or the other..

What 'sensor array' are you talking about? They never took a decent photo of the payload of the balloon. Why is that? Because it was a WEATHER balloon, that's why.

a reply to: JohnThomas2

Just one of many statements twitter.com...

Senator Marco Rubio said in one tweet: “This is not some hot air balloon, it has a large payload of sensors roughly the size of two city buses & the ability to maneuver independently”

Military was saying a sensor package the size of a bus and now Rubio says TWO BUSES ....So believe whatever you want as there is not enough factual information to be sure of anything. Most people in the business realize a balloon with a proper sensor package has 20% better/greater detection ability both in photo and radio intercept than a satellite. My question is how could they maneuver (if it is true) the balloon ?

Yes, Xi wants Biden reelected, not arrested for espionage
The fake job numbers allows Biden to praise his economic policies, happy days are here again.
Shooting down the China spy balloon gives Joe another feather in his cap, tough on China and protecting America
The Super Bowl, Dr Jill is a Philly girl ya know, and the lead up to the State of the Union will dominate our next news cycle with a sprinkle of white supremacy, gun violence and black history month stories. Oh the horror.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Could be just one big PR stunt. They've done it before.

Maximum drama and effective "Pride & Heroic" attitudes just at the perfect times and places.

😎🐇

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: 727Sky

After the spy mission was completed, Xi told Biden to destroy it.

Puppet obeyed.

Much more going on..in addition to the balloon loyalty test.

Its treason.

Exactly this. Biden could have ordered it shot down before it entered US airspace the first time, after it crossed into Alaska, after it crossed into Montana, or anywhere as it crossed the country.

Biden let it do it's thing, let it cross the country collecting data along the way, with data no doubt sent to China in real time. Once it reached the Atlantic, its job was done. Biden just needed to give the order to shoot it down and destroy the evidence.

Mission accomplished.

a reply to: 727Sky

From what I am hearing, this is NOT the 1st Chinese Balloon we have had.

Simply make our own super balloon / blimp to intercept these and take them to the arctic as they are sent.

Land them safely and salvage the equipment for study.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: JohnThomas2

Just one of many statements twitter.com...

Senator Marco Rubio said in one tweet: “This is not some hot air balloon, it has a large payload of sensors roughly the size of two city buses & the ability to maneuver independently”

Military was saying a sensor package the size of a bus and now Rubio says TWO BUSES ....So believe whatever you want as there is not enough factual information to be sure of anything. Most people in the business realize a balloon with a proper sensor package has 20% better/greater detection ability both in photo and radio intercept than a satellite. My question is how could they maneuver (if it is true) the balloon ?

Report I read on CNN feed mentioned (without further comment) that the military claimed this balloon had "motors and propellers" which allowed it to be maneuverable.

Now, my eyes may not be as good as they once were, but I can't see anything from the published photos that looks like even one propeller.

I know, from experience, that due to the extremely thin air in the stratosphere, where this balloon was supposed to have spent most of its time, that you need a very specifically designed propeller shape to operate at that altitude.

Based on the NASA Helios solar airplane propellers, these "stratospheric props" are very wide near the hub, and taper, somewhat angularly toward the tip. Their rotation speed must be carefully monitored to prevent the tips from going supersonic (Mach is lower in thinner air) and tearing the prop blade apart. The props must also be somewhat larger than normal to compensate for the thinner air.

But again, I don't see any props. And you'd need multiple props mounted to the structure below the balloon itself to achieve any kind maneuvering ability on a single envelope design like this.

Even then, good luck!


As I pointed out elsewhere, my thoughts regarding why this "airship" has caused such an uproar, and why the military was against shooting it down over land, has less to do with what it was doing here and more to do with how it managed to get here while still functioning after days aloft in the frigid stratosphere.


Solar power and batteries are what everyone assumes, but batteries do not like the cold, and days aloft would have lead to significant losses do to "cold-sink". Adding more batteries would have increased weight, not ideal in an LAV.

Also, you would need a lot of power to supply your ISR package, plus your guidance avionics and control systems...and power your propellers.

Even with solar panels to recharge those batteries during the day (and how much "daylight" was available at those latitudes in the dead of winter?) , that's a lot of power drain for a very long time in very harsh conditions to depend on batteries for power.

I'm wondering if maybe the Chinese instead put a small Radioisotope Thermoelectric Generator (RTG) on board their "spy balloon" to power all the good stuff.


That would certainly explain the fury this particular incursion ignited, and the reluctance to bring the assemblage down over land (which would risk spreading radioactive material, Chinese! radioactive material! Imagine the public panic).

Supposed NASA can send transmissions 'back' from something we land on a meteorite but we cannot simply 'hack into' something flying in US Air Space? I have read it was about the encryption/etc but no. There is no reason the US could not have gotten all the information they wanted and then shot it down over US Airspace. None.

Beyond that, I still want to know about the Billings video. That was more odd than the balloon itself.

The US was tracking this since it went airborne from China. They let this happen.

a reply to: 727Sky

Looks like there's only a couple seconds of footage after the bubble burst. Anybody have longer duration footage? I doubt it...

a reply to: 727Sky

The CCP will make the Biden's pay for it with more secret documents they have to turn over to them.

a reply to: 727Sky

Chinese officials have used the term, force majeure, to describe this as an accidental incident.

In legal terms, force majeure is defined as unforeseeable circumstances that prevent someone from fulfilling a contract.

It also defined as irresistible compulsion or greater force.

Seeing as this type of long duration balloon is supposed to traverse continents and/or the entire planet, and it's flight is commanded by satellites, I can't believe it's flight commanders did this by accident.

So if we accept the Chinese statement as being in the spirit of honesty, we should probably conclude, since Chinese officials called it an accident, this flight was not actually commandeered by Chinese officials, but by a greater force.

Thus IMO, it was an embarrassingly arrogant and brutish move for USA officials to shoot it down.

originally posted by: InachMarbank
a reply to: 727Sky

Chinese officials have used the term, force majeure, to describe this as an accidental incident.

In legal terms, force majeure is defined as unforeseeable circumstances that prevent someone from fulfilling a contract.

It also defined as irresistible compulsion or greater force.

Seeing as this type of long duration balloon is supposed to traverse continents and/or the entire planet, and it's flight is commanded by satellites, I can't believe it's flight commanders did this by accident.

So if we accept the Chinese statement as being in the spirit of honesty, we should probably conclude, since Chinese officials called it an accident, this flight was not actually commandeered by Chinese officials, but by a greater force.

Thus IMO, it was an embarrassingly arrogant and brutish move for USA officials to shoot it down.

Seriously ? That balloon had no business being over US airspace, especially considering it was the Chinese Communist. It is unacceptable, even if it was a “ mistake,” which only a naive fool would believe anyway. Seriously you believe they just lost control and the wind blew it? Too bad fur them I say and it should have been downed over Alaska or Montana and retrieved by our military for inspection. Unfortunately we have traitors in the military too.

originally posted by: 727Sky
OK we have several threads about the Chinese balloon with many good comments and well thought out replies to those threads. I place this in the Conspiracy forum because something just ain't right with the whole event. They use a half million dollar missile to destroy the balloon when a few rounds of 20mm would have done the job and actually left something to inspect. Once again demonstrating the stupidity of those in charge and giving orders IMO.

Their excuse for not destroying the balloon when it was over the Pacific or the out back of Canada before the balloon did it's trek across America is pathetic. Something ain't right IMO !

I agree.
When I first heard about the "spy balloon", I was like, "shoot it down".....
Nothing.
"It's over a sparsely populated area, now shoot it down"....
Nothing.
"It's over the mountains, shoot it down"....
Nothing.
They let this balloon travel over the entire United states.... then shoot it down....
Why?
What was the purpose, at that point, in shooting it down?
Did they think it was recording and they could recover the data?
What decade are these imbeciles living in???? What ever it was taking data of, I can almost guarantee, was streaming to some place in China on a live feed.
Think this "Administration" was scared to shoot it down until it's mission was complete, because of the Buythem Biden's dealing and what could come out if they piss the Chinese off.

On a side note, I was watching it yesterday as it passed over my house. Once it got closer to Myrtle Beach you could see the Contrails from the Jets as they circled it for about an hour before shooting it down.
Why were we able to see contrails from fighter jets?
For show, that's why.

a reply to: Quadrivium

See my post above.

You'd need a lot of power to maintain a flight at 60+KFT over several days.

Try supplying that power with batteries, even supplementing them with solar panel to recharge during the day, and your talking about a lot of weight on a vehicle that depends on being "lighter than air".


So what if the Chinese decided to mount a radioisotope-powered generator to their balloon?

Lots of power for all the spy stuff....and to power those motors and propellers the military reported spotting; making this "balloon" capable of maneuvering.


China wasn't too concerned, previous unpropelled balloon flights had been left to float by in years past. And there would be no danger to the public, and no risk of an international incident due to a radiological hazard, as long as no one tried to shoot the vehicle down while it was over land. It would just ride the Jetstream out over the ocean, self-destruct, and sink (relatively] harmlessly to the ocean's bottom.


But the cat got out of the bag, and so here we are.

There will be another Balloon, maybe two. Their payload will be EMP devices. It will happen most likely on a Friday morning. People will not have communication, and things will become chaos as our nation is in blackout. The people who were smart who EMP proofed their cars will be okay. Those with back up generators with shielding will be okay. People with at least a month's worth of food will be okay. If you are in the city you will not be okay.

Unfortunately I am in the city. This was a test to see how apathetic our nation is, and how compliant our government is. This event should show everyone that your government does not represent you and that you are on your own.

originally posted by: Fairtrade141
There will be another Balloon, maybe two. Their payload will be EMP devices. It will happen most likely on a Friday morning. People will not have communication, and things will become chaos as our nation is in blackout. The people who were smart who EMP proofed their cars will be okay. Those with back up generators with shielding will be okay. People with at least a month's worth of food will be okay. If you are in the city you will not be okay.

Unfortunately I am in the city. This was a test to see how apathetic our nation is, and how compliant our government is. This event should show everyone that your government does not represent you and that you are on your own.

The effective radius of an EMP device detonated in the stratosphere is very limited.

Electronic communications within the affected area will be disrupted, at least until damage devices can be replaced. The effects of an EMP are not lasting. Military, and law enforcement communications should be unaffected.
The only cars that might be "EMP-proofed" are those lacking any micro-electronic circuitry, or those that were parked in RF shielded garages when the pulse hit.

Backup generators today use microchip-based controls to modulate and condition the current the output. Those controls will likely be affected/destroyed by the pulse, if the unit was not shielded from the pulse.

The steel reinforcement found in most skyscrapers can act, under some circumstances as a semi-effective shield against EMP's, depending on the strength/distance from the pulse source.

Wood frame buildings, as often founding the countryside, afford no protection.

a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

I believe the balloon was commandeered by a greater force than Chinese officials, whose oxymoronic statement of "accidental force majeure" seemed to tacitly admit this.

The lighting technology of the balloon was obviously greater than what we see in commercial technology.

It was probably commanded by satellite, which is obviously technology more advanced than publicly reported.

Though it appeared to blow with the wind, we see no more than a couple seconds of footage after it was supposedly hit. No camera people could track a downed balloon any longer than that? It was 12 miles away. What gives?

It seems like a farce that American officials are exercising supreme domination in this altercation. A Space Farce.

I wonder if we will see further developments in this event... Will we discover the downed balloon and it's payload?

It was at 60000+ feet, does the sights on the 20mm go that high?

a reply to: InachMarbank

So if we accept the Chinese statement as being in the spirit of honesty

The concept of honesty is non-existant with them.

Where was its radar reflectors? Warning lights?

it was an embarrassingly arrogant and brutish move for USA officials to shoot it down.

The embarassing part is that we didn't blow it out of the sky the minute it approached US air space.

Whether over Taiwan, Japan, ROK or US... the only place CCP assets belong is nose first in the ground, an expensive lawn dart.

originally posted by: Fairtrade141
There will be another Balloon, maybe two. Their payload will be EMP devices. It will happen most likely on a Friday morning. People will not have communication, and things will become chaos as our nation is in blackout. The people who were smart who EMP proofed their cars will be okay. Those with back up generators with shielding will be okay. People with at least a month's worth of food will be okay. If you are in the city you will not be okay.

Unfortunately I am in the city. This was a test to see how apathetic our nation is, and how compliant our government is. This event should show everyone that your government does not represent you and that you are on your own.

Have known that for quite some time partner

We are ready to go underground at a moment's notice.