Exxon Mobil sets Large-Scale Hydrogen Plant start-up for 2027 / GO GREEN

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Exxon Mobil sets large-scale hydrogen plant start-up for 2027

HOUSTON, Jan 30 (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) disclosed on Monday its plan to start operations at its large-scale hydrogen plant in Texas in 2027 or 2028, Exxon's Low Carbon business president Dan Ammann told Reuters. The unit is part of Exxon's efforts to create a new business to make money out of reducing greenhouse gas emissions from other companies looking to decarbonize their own operations. Exxon estimates 10% or more of return for the business.

1st of all I am not a climate change denier as our world is indeed changing and we do have a CO2 issue. Whether we can control it is a guess as so many in Academia are compromised. A good look is what the USA naval facilities are doing to avert rising sea levels. Then we have the fun bunch over at the WEF, WHO, UN and all the wealthy who own oceanfront throughout the world. They have the most to lose from rising sea levels. So if you think this is going to stop regardless of whats right, wrong or indifferent your mistaken. We are living in a time that has happened in history before as such when the horse was replaced by a motorcar. Many are pushing solar, wind, geothermal, natural gas and electricity. OK so we have two green options to make electricity; Nuclear Power and Hydrogen.

I am an engineer with an MBA. I have worked in industry once for Air Products and Chemicals [APC]. I was an Engineer & Supervisor in a Cryogenics department that manufactured tanker trailers for hydrogen, oxygen, argon, helium and other elements that can explode. I also worked for General Motors Worldwide Purchasing. I worked as a launch engineer in Mexico, Canada and Shanghai China Vehicle Assembly Operations. Back in the day the Director of Engineering at APC already owned and drove a car that used hydrogen as a fuel. All was well except the torque generated was somewhat uncontrollable to the drive-train and it would blow out the rear end. Back in the day that was the sole issue. Nowadays we have eight speed automatic transmissions along with gas powered combustion engines with almost unlimited horsepower potential. That technology alone should provide for smooth transition to both hydrogen and electric vehicles. Or, hydrogen run power plants to generate electricity to charge the current lithium batteries in those electric vehicles.

Also don't let anyone sheet you on the cost to supply hydrogen. Back in the day its cost per gallon was cheap. Is it explosive? It sure is. My guess is that Exxon Mobil will get into the electric power and generating business. A hydrogen plant can be placed anywhere. APC is also building a100% green hydrogen plant in Saudi Arabia.

In my opinion the world will be a better place. We just did need to keep AOC and Greta on the sidelines and let technology move forward.

a reply to: Waterglass

We'll be smack in the middle of the effects of the Grand Solar Minimum (Maunder Minimum) by then and people will have come around to realize "green energy" is useless in the dead of what our winters will be.

a reply to: LSU2018

I haven't dug that deep but history does repeat and the same with our solar systems journey through space. It could all be for naught.

I've always thought that hydrogen could be the way forward. Even the Bible thinks so.

Remember when the Pharaoh in Egypt was suffering through all those plagues because he wouldn't "Let my people go" as Moses commanded him to do? The last plague involved hail from the sky that burned. In the book of Job 38:22 the Bible says:

"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail?"

The hail that fell on the Pharaoh was burning, therefore it was using and releasing energy. And what kind of energy do you think it was?

a reply to: Waterglass

They're finding profits down the line somewhere, not just ExxonMobil, but other companies as well.
I wonder what those profit making systems will be tho...

a reply to: strongfp

I would say making hydrogen at a nickel a gallon and selling it for a dollar a gallon would figure in there somewhere. Draino was the waste product of producing chlorine for bleach by electrolysis from salt water. Our pool in Florida had an automatic chlorinator. Our drains were very clear.

Dissolving aluminum foil in Draino also produces hydrogen as a byproduct. Although would be rather expensive to produce that way versus just electrodes in water and capturing the gas released.

a reply to: Waterglass

I'm 100% for Hydrogen power. I'm sick and tired of having to worry about the price of gas rising every time a camel farts the wrong way in the dessert. We should be looking for alternatives to petroleum fuels.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I've always thought that hydrogen could be the way forward. Even the Bible thinks so.

Remember when the Pharaoh in Egypt was suffering through all those plagues because he wouldn't "Let my people go" as Moses commanded him to do? The last plague involved hail from the sky that burned. In the book of Job 38:22 the Bible says:

"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail?"

The hail that fell on the Pharaoh was burning, therefore it was using and releasing energy. And what kind of energy do you think it was?

Fictitious.

It bothers me that China, India, and others are just about literally rendering our efforts inconsequential... if we really are talking about "saving the planet."

If it's about another revenue stream for investors to gamble on. Well, that's one thing.

I have come to resent the idea that we are 'saving the planet.' That's just hubris for exploitation.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind
I've always thought that hydrogen could be the way forward. Even the Bible thinks so.

Remember when the Pharaoh in Egypt was suffering through all those plagues because he wouldn't "Let my people go" as Moses commanded him to do? The last plague involved hail from the sky that burned. In the book of Job 38:22 the Bible says:

"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail?"

The hail that fell on the Pharaoh was burning, therefore it was using and releasing energy. And what kind of energy do you think it was?

Volcanic hail is a known phenomenon.

a reply to: Waterglass

Hydrogen is a poor energy carrier. It has a low energy density and would require a completely new distribution and delivery system for hydrogen powered vehicles. Storing H2 as a liquid has serious problems due to energy release from spin isomer transitions.
How this hydrogen is produced is also a factor. The cheapest hydrogen is made from reforming methane to H2 and CO2 and purportedly sequestering the CO2. This further adds to the cost of hydrogen and CO2 sequestration is problematic, at best.
Should one find a low-cost hydrogen source, the best thing to do would be to reduce atmospheric CO2 to MeOH or gasoline. Electrolysis using renewables is an inefficient process and one is better off using such energy to power the grid and offset combustion-based power plants. Finally, the data says that CO2 does not significantly affect global temperatures and that long term cycles of ice ages have been seen through at least the last 400,000 years. We are peaking now and should start cooling in the next century or so.

a reply to: pteridine

I disagree with almost everything you wrote. Please take a look at this link and think it over. This company didn't get to be worth 72+ billion dollars on some fringe science.

hydrogen is the perfect fuel. It is the cleanest burning and the most efficient. Hydrogen can produce electricity

As per above as a company they could be sued for making false claims yet your allowed an opinion based on what?

Generating a Cleaner Future with Hydrogen

As the world’s largest hydrogen producer, Air Products works across all facets of the hydrogen value chain, including production, distribution, storage, and dispensing and has been a pioneer in hydrogen fueling for decades. The company operates the world’s longest hydrogen pipeline system and is a world-class liquid hydrogen supplier. Air Products has hands-on operating experience with over 250 hydrogen fueling station projects in 20 countries, and the company’s technologies are used in over 1.5 million fueling operations annually.

Hydrogen Basics

In many ways, hydrogen is the perfect fuel. It is the cleanest burning and the most efficient. Hydrogen can produce electricity, and electricity can produce hydrogen, creating an energy loop that is renewable and harmless to the environment. Hydrogen combines chemically with most elements, so it has been utilized as an industrial chemical in a wide range of applications for many years. In vehicles, hydrogen is being used to produce electricity that powers a motor by combining it with oxygen in a fuel cell.

a reply to: grey580

But the WEF, WHO and UN should leave our meats alone. I love beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb, veal, duck.

However, the last Arby's sandwich I had was over 20 years ago. It was a freaking salt lick so salty I threw them out from the car window while driving on the I90 interstate. I used to love Arby's

I hope I didn't kill an animal.

Arby's Angus Steak - We Have the Meats

a reply to: strongfp

They are morphing in the right direction in my opinion. So buy their stock?

originally posted by: Waterglass
I disagree with almost everything you wrote.

Yeah, don't you know it? There seem to be a lot of Doubting Thomases in this thread.

a reply to: TrulyColorBlind

Yeah, don't you know it? There seem to be a lot of Doubting Thomases in this thread.

That's because ATS is a "hive" of like minded peoples. My reference to "hive" is a book titled "mind Games" by Richard Thieme. He speaks to the NSA, CIA, FBI, SS and many others. We need more diversity here from an ideology perspective or it will end up as plain Jane socialist North Korea type march. Take a look at the threads from 10+ years ago here. It was super advanced . Then they all just faded away.

Keep an open mind and do your own research as knowledge is power and ignorance is bliss.

a reply to: Waterglass

The change came when ATS aligned itself with Facebook and Twitter. So many joined that were not really of the ATS mindset back in the day.

a reply to: Waterglass

I once thought I was hungry enough to eat at Arby's.

I was wrong.

originally posted by: grey580
I once thought I was hungry enough to eat at Arby's.

I was wrong.

I haven't eaten at an Arby's in 10 years. Have they changed that much since then? This must have been the last one I ate - back in 2013: