NASA - the real conspiracy...

Hi folks,

Yeah, I went with a bold title for this thread, but that's because I think my brain stumbled across what's really going on at NASA.

It was a combination of a few different factors which made me 'click' on the matter.

Firstly, I've been watching Stargate Universe again - I accidentally subscribed to the MGM channel on Amazon Prime, and was about to cancel it when I saw they had acquired the rights to SG-U & SG-One, which got me all nostalgic (for the days when I thought spacefaring in the classical sense was actually a real thing, and not 'made in a Hollywood basement', as the first ever 'truther' rock band told us in the nineties..) So I started watching it, and all the memories came flooding back. I remembered how I got really into this conspiratorial mindset concerning the so-called 'secret space program' which was being let out of the bag by the American Air Force, who cooperated heavily with the makers of the Stargate series to lend realism to the concept. And many on here will recall the excellent thread 'Stargates are Real', which raised some awesome thinking points. I began to correlate aspects of my former conspiratorial thinking (some would say 'delusional thinking') & I realised that even if space is NOT real, in the sense we've always had it explained to us in propaganda, there must be SOME reason this massive organisation matrix of agencies & military groups are engaged in something that looks like exploration of the cosmos in some secretive capacity...

Secondly, I found myself looking at a piece of so-called astrophotography, the image of the nebula which looks exactly like a human eye looking fown on us from way out there in the universe. The detail of that image is so nuanced, that you almost have no choice but to conclude that it was DRAWN by an artist of some sort, using either stars & stardust, or a very expensive & very professional photoshop-type software. You can even see the striations of the pupiliary frill & cilliary zone, with strands of stardust forming those beautiful rays of wonder which make the human eye so attractive in someone you love or desire.. Some say this image was drawn by the hand of God - others might say that somehow, NASA has been fooling us all regarding the so-called reality of 'space', because there is a gargantuan conspiracy at the heart of the military-industrial complex which is so grandiose that you'd never believe it until you were 'read in' to the conspiracy by those in charge of it.

Thirdly, I thought back over all the main sources of information coming out of NASA, and various websites & forums which exceeded a certain level of popularity amongst the alternative researchers, and I began to wonder - what if all these 'researchers' actually represented a limited hangout, where bits of information which are true, or which sound like they could be true, are laid out on a plate like honey to attract the wasps & keep them out of the way while the real picnic goes on right alongside them, yet they're too bloated with gorging themselves on sugary goodness (limited hangout data) to recognise that fact.

I believe that NASA is a front organisation which serves a singular purpose - to deceive the public & make them believe we live in a vast universe which is entirely natural in origin, when in fact the truth is that we live in a stunningly beautiful, incredible, wondrous environment perfectly suited to our needs in all sorts of ways - every desire of the human heart can be found here, and the highest glory is the pure & obvious fact that it was designed solely for us to dwell in, by some 'Creative Force' which clearly cares for us & the enture gamut of the spectrum of humanity, all the differing cultures with their wisdom, their folk tales & their magic, their spirituality.. There is a God, and when the United States began to pull ahead in exploring the world we live in, they realised very quickly that we live in a curated environment, literally under a dome firmament (that very fact was included in the Encyclopedia Brittanic until 1949 as I recall - it detailed that at 80' Southern latitude, the dome was roughly 13,000 feet above the level of the Antarctic ide shelf.

Antarctica truly is a ring of ice surrounding this world, and the dome completely covers it. This is the reason NASA lies to us about 'space, the final frontier', because if people were suddenly exposed to the truth in the 1950's, when the secrecy hammer came crashing down, the rulers were terrified that they would lose control. You're not allowed to know the truth of this world for one reason alone - the rulers of this world understand that if it were a known fact, that this is a created environment, and that a literal God designed & built it, society would break down instantly, become uncontrollable, as people go off on spiritual quests to better come to terms with the knowledge they just encountered - they might even quit their important jobs, and then who would be left to enrich the bankers & the families of royal bloodlines?

NASA makes a pretence at 'going to space', and they knew they could get away with it only for just so long, so all their plans have revolved around the known fact that at some point the knowledge would become widespread, and they wouldn't be able to conceal it any more - and when that day comes, well, the bulk of Mankind needs to be dead, sick & vulnerable, or bought into the deception wholesale, prepared to screw over everyone else just to get ahead in the world. Even in a world that is clearly designed by a just & loving God (see many other evidences of this in theological lectures & literature), they are prepared to screw people over just for a seat at the table when their long-planned depopulation agenda goes ahead. They knew in the sixties that one day they would need to somehow depopulate the world, unify the governmenets of the world, and declare martial law worldwide, so as not to lose control of the entire system when the truth comes home to roost, when the people all find out the truth. It's been coordinated in that manner for decades, they were just looking for the geopolitical opportunities to move the pieces on the board into the optimum configuration before bringing down the entire house of cards that isn't hardened against massive stresses in the economic realm, or the HUMINT realm, or any of a million systems which could screw them over if they forget to airgap themselves off from the rest of the world. Ideally, they would want to be 'off-world', but because space isn't real (at least, not here) that's a pipe dream. And so they probably want to explore underground or undersea options, when the fur begins to fly.

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NASA - an allegedly huge endeavour which is so incompetent that it lost the Moon landing footage, several decades' worth of transcripts, lost all the actual 'science to go to the Moon', and so on ad nauseum. Their job is to prop up the illusion, that we live in an entirely natural environment, that there is no evidence of Deity-driven engineering of any part of this world, until such a time as 'they' (the elitists in charge of the world's resources, banking & governmental/ ruling functions) can massively withdraw energy & support services for the systems which people all over the world depend on for their very lives & livelihoods.. That way there can be little resistance when the hammer comes down.

NASA use Photoshop, deepfake, movie studios, green screens, wires to do 'zero-g', and swimming pools with replica 'space stations' to achieve an ongoing scripted interactive theatre performance experience, entirely intended to deceive, deceive, deceive until the very last dying breath of each one of its sworn to secrecy employees, threatened with life incarceration or the death penalty (probably the latter, to really keep it hush hush) in the event they ever share the information. There are probably clauses in the NDA that state their partners or parents will be automatically considered co-conspirators & will receive automatic whole life jail terms simply for knowing you, or their children will never be accepted into Ivy League universities, in the event you ever squeal...

When you look at the images they've been putting out of the Earth from space, or the Moon transiting in front of the Earth, the 'polar aurora' of Saturn, and so on, you notice mistake after mistake, after mistake - when you know about it, you can't stop seeing them! I have marvelled at how blind some of my erudite friends have been when they were shown images such as these, with the blatant phtoshop manipulations pointed out to them, they still refuse to see it.. Their role is PR, but wait - is 'the dome' the only reason they want to pretend 'space' is real?

I suggest that NO, it is not sufficient that NASA is solely a PR agency to deceive the masses solely regarding the possibility of leaving the Earth by conventionally understood means such as 'spacecraft'. I believe that not only are they concealing the dome firmament, the ice wall & the entire range of features of our beautifull created world which were made for us as a place to learn & grow, developing our relationship with the Creator - I believe they are also concealing what we might conventionally name a 'secret spce program'.

I'm 100% certain that the people who are 'in the know', those who are able to look at the data & draw conclusions suggestive of ourselves living in this built environment, are being selected pre-emptively through the academic, military & corporate institutions which have connections with the system that has been built up over the past seventy years or so to hide the truth of this world from its people. Such initiates are taken into the fold of the 'secret space program', and put to work on a secretive travel technology which literally mirrors the concept which drives the TV series 'STARGATE'. I believe that is why the US military cooperated with the makers of that show - I think they felt a sense of duty, an obligation to put something out into the public domain which is itself an opportunity to share something akin to the truth of what's really going on, perhaps it is cathartic for those in charge to feel that they have some way to come clean with the people they swore an oath to serve, each & every day, doing their part to keep the world a safer place.

For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be brought to light. If anyone has ears to hear, let him hear.

Mark4: 23

I'm convinced that there are gatekeeper organisations who keep an eye out for talented professionals in a range of fields who have pevuliar interests in the nature of the world we live in, such that when they visit certain forums, websites, blogs & so on, they are put on a watchlist for a non-nefarious purpose... Seeing them as candidates for enrolment in the program perhaps. Indeed on one occasion Mr Robert Bidelow, of Bidelow Aerospace, spoke to a group of undergraduates/graduate PhD students, telling them that:

"There are incredible places to see [in the cosmos]...we now have the technology to send ET home!"

Is the overall goal nefarious, or is it based on truth, goodness & service to the people of this world? I don't really know. Perhaps some of it is, and some of it isn't. As with anything, there must be factions & in-fighting amongst some of those in leadership roles in various parts of the overall system as it has grown & expanded with multiple tentacles sprawling in various directions. Of course, some of this sort of thing was dramatised in the Stargate series as they progressed with that concept, and I felt that for the most part they headed in a good direction, with a few concept failures which were understandable yet annoying to the discerning viewer.

Share your thoughts ATS - do you believe that "Space may be the final frontier, but it's made in a Hollywood basement", or am I & millions of 'awakening wonders' entirely wrong about that? Look at the evidence which the space industry themselves put out - they claim they sent a car to space, they didn't, it was all fake (cheers Elon). They also faked reusable rockets. They claim to orbit around the Earth in a space station, yet they had female astronauts using hairspray to make it look as though they were in zero-G (in xero-G, long hair would float around gently, as underwater - not stick up like bristles on a sweeping broom. They have been caught unequivocally using trapeze artist wires to perform rolls & spins in so-called zero-G. They've been shown using green screens, and even men wrapped in entirely green 'green screen suits' to help fake zero-G scenes where 'astronauts' are playing with food in the zero-G environment. They've had astronauts almost drown 'in space'. And a thousand other terrible BS nonsense excuses as for why their content is so unbelievable (basically total bullcrap).

I could write on this subject for hours, and I will gladly add links & videos later to support what I've written - but I would appreciate any & all contributions that go some way to supporting this concept, and I hope to see specific thoughts on the idea of 'limited hangout' operations (perhaps including Richard Hoagland's Dark Mission: The secret history of NASA'...?)

What about 'gatekeepers' such as Dr Paul LaViolette, whose website is curiously titled the 'Sphinx Stargate' - who has developed an entirely new field of physics by himself, at the quantum scale, known as subquantum kinetics. In other places he is 'decoding the message of the pulsars' (one of his books), as well as looking at ancient cataclysms & occult mysteries too. Read all of his books & you will see that he walks on the bleeding edge of scientific progress, to a degree such that he is either a whackjob (good luck proving that) or, he is a gatekeeper to the REAL 'STARGATE' program.

I know what I believe.....

The fact is, dark matter has never been detected. It is only theorized to exist because it completes the equations of the contemporary theories for regions beyond our solar system. There's theoretically 20x more dark matter/energy than regular matter in the universe. Imagine 2,000% wrong in your equation, and just making up a non-existent matter/energy to appease the equations. Given that NASA is beating around the bush constantly, and spoon-feeding people half-truths, it is nearly impossible to come to a lucid conclusion on the nature of the astronomical realm.

We are essentially paying huge amounts of tax-payer dollars for NASA to gatekeep an old out-dated theory that apparently doesn't allow us to land on the moon. The amount of dead-ends that independent researchers must reach given these gatekeeping organizations is quite possibly the greatest frustration in my life.

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to."

Jesus's words are truly eternal, and this still applies to contemporary teachers of the (phsyics) law.

all will be revealed eventually though.

I'm a Christian and follow the the Lord the best I can, mostly. I believe in His teaching and I also know we went to the moon. Maybe the firmament fell with the deluge, don't know
I also know that if life outside of our realm exist, Nasa will tell the entire world as they love budgets

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
I agree with you fully but don't have much to add. Once people start to see it, it's pretty obvious.

There are only two options I can think of... one is that nasa lies to keep the truth from us which I believe, or the other is that their fakery was created as propaganda to dupe people into thinking nasa lies. Both options really annoy me.

Not religious, but once I saw the fakery of nasa as the icing on the cake of government corruption, I've been more open to the idea we are being kept from our natural inheritance as slaves for the rulers and that inheritance is our deep potential for connection to the divine.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

NASA use Photoshop, deepfake, movie studios, green screens, wires to do 'zero-g', and swimming pools with replica 'space stations' to achieve an ongoing scripted interactive theatre performance experience, entirely intended to deceive, deceive, deceive until the very last dying breath of each one of its sworn to secrecy employees, threatened with life incarceration or the death penalty (probably the latter, to really keep it hush hush) in the event they ever share the information. There are probably clauses in the NDA that state their partners or parents will be automatically considered co-conspirators & will receive automatic whole life jail terms simply for knowing you, or their children will never be accepted into Ivy League universities, in the event you ever squeal...

Do you mean all those engineers and techs sitting before those workstations in the famous NASA computer room are playing Sim City and not directing a space mission?

originally posted by: vance
I'm a Christian and follow the the Lord the best I can, mostly. I believe in His teaching and I also know we went to the moon. Maybe the firmament fell with the deluge, don't know

I also know that if life outside of our realm exist, Nasa will tell the entire world as they love budgets

Except NASA doesn't have the authority to tell the world anything not already allowed by the security services/forces of the USA, including NSA, CIA, DoD etc. Likely NRO data is not even shared with NASA, definitely not all if any.. Another big one is Dept. of Naval Intelligence. Tons of stuff they don't share. NASA can't share anything they might know, unless it is deemed inconsequential for everyone to know.
Budget seeking has nothing to do with how NASA can reveal anything, sadly.


PS I'm also Christian and know already life is everywhere in universe. I don't need anyone to tell me officially.

I believe that though space is not fake, it is not 'real' in the way we have been taught that it is.
I think of space as being the opposite effect of a magnetism. a pulled in negative space, it is something, but not something that contains space.

Like a magnet over some old monitor, pulling in negative space along the edges like starbursts.

We are all made up of light and in a sense we, and everything we see and feel in this world is actually pure energy and 'bonded' together into what we call objects or 'reality'. Almost as if the consciousness of all creates the software for the styles.

So, all of this, us, exists in this giant electrical universe that is constructed using the powers of magnetism and sound (waves, and frequencies).

So I'm imagining that space is the 'polar opposite' of 'reality' or constructs of energy that we call life - and so space would be 'nothing' and not be a place that you could 'go to'. Which, if true, and if planets and stars are also 'real' and are examples of pockets of energy and 'life', then the distance between the 2 'worlds' would not be any distance at all, since the 'space' in between is not really even there, just a warped mass of nothingness that visually separates us from them?

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I agree with you and the commenter who said that it is pretty obvious once you start putting the pieces together. I don't have anything to add other than maybe to say that it is part of the larger huge all encompassing agenda to invert and obfuscate everything as a whole for the satanic. A lot of science is based on theories and a lot of theories can't be proven objectively with the scientific method.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I agree, NASA are full of it and space likely isn't what we're told.

NASA has lost nothing from the moon landings other than a back up telemetry tape.

All the footage exists, all the transcripts exist, all the scientific data exist, the science to go to the moon exists.

Your personal incredulity about the photographs you see does not invalidate them, and claiming something is fake and them actually being fake are two different things.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
I beg to differ with you: The missile race between the US and the Soviets was the perfect breeding ground for NASA. In 1948 the US Air Force intelligence command concluded after months of investigations that the "flying saucers" were not of this world. Also, the craft were really out-of-this-world in terms of the physics they employed. --"Man if we could just get our hands on those babies!" In 1948 the best explanation was that Venus or Mars was the answer. The Soviet's zeroed in on Venus and the US went to Mars. Venus proved to not be answer whereas Mars, time after time, showed promise even if publicly denied until the existence of water couldn't be denied any longer.

The Viking mission of the mid-and-late 1970s proved that Mars was the likely origin for some of the answer for the mysterious craft. The Viking Orbiter gave convincing evidence that both Phobos and Deimos really were creations of an old civilization. The pure physics of their existence proves the case.

The denial of governments of the existence of ETs, especially the US, is one of the stark reasons why humanity is falling apart. The denials and the resulting corruption of various levels of government because of that single denial is the chief reason why many Americans no longer have any faith in government about anything. --(And, after all, God is dead.)

NASA is an in-your-face intel agency, always have been and always will be. But yet, that purpose is secondary to its role of leading the public along by the nose to where it must take us. The reality of the existence of superior beings is upon us and making its presence felt by forcing our governments to come to terms with our miserable selves. You may not distinguish the evidence, but the signs are clear and persistent that we are at the beginning of a cosmic order being imposed upon every single aspect of human existence. Whether we survive or not is arbitrary.

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment

NASA use Photoshop, deepfake, movie studios, green screens, wires to do 'zero-g', and swimming pools with replica 'space stations' to achieve an ongoing scripted interactive theatre performance experience, entirely intended to deceive, deceive, deceive until the very last dying breath of each one of its sworn to secrecy employees, threatened with life incarceration or the death penalty (probably the latter, to really keep it hush hush) in the event they ever share the information.

None of that is true. Employees sworn to secrecy? I actually know several former and current NASA employees and they don’t deceive or are sworn to secrecy. They have jobs like anyone else, sometimes boring, sometimes fun. What are you on about?

The people who say this stuff are the simpletons who haven’t the intellectual capacity to understand science and the world around them. Shame

a reply to: noonebutme

Someone doesn't agree with you so you call them a simpleton.

I think NASA are full of sh!t yet hold a bachelors degree in a scientific discipline. Go figure.

If you need to resort to mudslinging chances are you're the idiot.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
NASA has lost nothing from the moon landings other than a back up telemetry tape.

All the footage exists, all the transcripts exist, all the scientific data exist, the science to go to the moon exists.

Your personal incredulity about the photographs you see does not invalidate them, and claiming something is fake and them actually being fake are two different things.

Have you looked into it?

originally posted by: noonebutme

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment

NASA use Photoshop, deepfake, movie studios, green screens, wires to do 'zero-g', and swimming pools with replica 'space stations' to achieve an ongoing scripted interactive theatre performance experience, entirely intended to deceive, deceive, deceive until the very last dying breath of each one of its sworn to secrecy employees, threatened with life incarceration or the death penalty (probably the latter, to really keep it hush hush) in the event they ever share the information.

The people who say this stuff are the simpletons who haven’t the intellectual capacity to understand science and the world around them. Shame

Resorting to rudeness doesn't take away the fact nasa has done some pretty sketchy things. I'll ask you too... have you ever looked into it?

Most of us who got to our position on this did so after going through a passion for science then seeing things not add up. I read my dad's scientific americans as a kid and spent years reading about physics only to come to the conclusion that the science is sound but what they do with it is mighty immoral often. Do I have the whole truth? No. No one does if we are being lied to.

a reply to: igloo

You tell me...

onebigmonkey.com...

In addition to everything you have there I have 3 substantial bookcases full of books on the subject, many dating from the 1960s and 1970s. I have literally forgotten more than most people think they know about it.

You may have forgotten the important bits and remembered enough to salve your uneasy unconscious.

Life is the message the universe sends to itself.

Buddha.

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

Ah, another USA centric meme. Do you honestly think NASA is the be all of space things and they are controlling the narrative. I sorry to have to break it to you that if you think NASA is lying Then so are Elon Musk (space X), Indian space missions, Chinese space missions, Russian space mission and even the European Space Agencies missions. Or do you think NASA controls all of them?

I would like to dispel something here...

NASA is a subordinate entity of the DOD. All aspects concerning its funding and operation are under the military. Now since the establishment of the DHS (the contractor clearing house) many more civilian contractors and companies have begun to operate 'in support of NASA' but they are NOT NASA, nor are they DOD.

This was the overall strategy to contain and protect 'patentable' discoveries by migrating them to civilian entities to prevent mandatory disclosure and to exploit "trade secrecy" which is better protected than the highest classifications. It is how - in theory - no one can actually 'get to' any information about real UFO activity. Remove it from political buffoons and their chicanery by removing it from government channels.

While I won't argue that NASA and her international counterparts are part of a strategy to deceive the public... I will also not argue that they NASA has been entirely forthcoming about certain things they would rather not publicize...

Have any of you noticed that they initially refused to admit that some of the Challenger astronauts survived their flaming return to Earth? Sad and frightening, but they just couldn't blurt out that reality without damaging the 'optics' of their competence. I understand the reticence to do so, but it shows that they can keep quiet if they feel they must.

Little things like that damage the trust that people actually want to place in them. Little things like how most world leaders given moon rocks via NASA later found them to be frauds, not proof we didn't go, just proof that they can't be trusted. How about the little discussed Masonic ritual on the moon... why a secret?... I don't know... but it does not engender trust that it was 'a secret thing' ... There are a lot of little examples of why simple trust is now "harder to find."

I understand that we may not agree about the reality of space, and you are entitled to your opinion... but let's not pretend that the NASA folks are all white-hatted heroes who would never lie or steer the public in a direction that was dishonest. Yes, they DO photoshop images, yes, they did fail to inform us of all the facts about certain objects in space, yes, they ARE 'the military' and they are, in fact, the very definition of a military industrial complex entity... so own it. Grow up, heroic 'institutions' and heroic "exploration" are things of Hollywood... not reality.

I must admit however, that many claims about the nature of space herein seem, to me, to be disharmonious with logic. But that doesn't amount to blasphemy in my book. It demonstrates how poorly NASA "a civilian agency" (heh) has done its job of bringing science to the public. Alternately, it also shows how little interest they have in a larger "public" anything - outside of optics which leads to more funding.