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originally posted by: mblahnikluver
NOBODY ALIVE today owes a damn thing to anyone else for what happened in the PAST! Give me a break.
originally posted by: Crowfoot
Reparations is a horrible concept...
originally posted by: Solvedit
originally posted by: ntech
The mess the 40 acres and a mule created at the end of the Civil War. Illegal seizure of land and incitement of the Southern Whites to restart the Civil War. At the very least it would have been the KKK on steroids if 40 acres and a mule had become permanent. A terrorist army in the south attacking the blacks and the federal armies sent to put them down.
The Southern leadership may have deliberately wanted to put the freedmen on the coast.
The slave traders in Africa were their allies.
The South was partially wrecked and had spent its money on war. They were very low on food.
The Africans who were in the business of trading slaves must have been concerned for their future. The loss of the Confederacy meant they could no longer illegally import slaves to the US. Brazilian planters voluntarily ended slavery in 1868 and it was a global trend.
The African slave traders must have seethed with envy for the people they had exported to America because those people were getting free in a nation with land to give away.
Maybe the Southerners took some of the African slave traders' money to let them secretly emigrate and replace some of the freedmen. The freedmen could have been sold abroad or scuttled while still disorganized and uneducated.
originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: Solvedit
the problem for Americans or indeed the Anglosphere is the age old question, if an abuser hurts their own kids what'll they do to someone else's..
the English started shipping its street kids to American colonies well before the first transatlantic slave ship arrived, while the royal navy is at pains to say they stopped that they never blocked the ships deporting their own to be used/abused and killed in a practice that outlasted the Atlantic slave trade by more than a century.. but its fair to say the American revolution exchanged one unwilling human cargo for another.
the issue here is a brutal culture that hurts its own as much as any other.. where or how that gets picked apart i have no idea but its not new and is unending as its a national characteristic..
it tries to reshape its abuse as modern and progressive.. but we fight the exact same wars with a similar establishment over and over..
originally posted by: sarahvital
originally posted by: Solvedit
originally posted by: ntech
The mess the 40 acres and a mule created at the end of the Civil War. Illegal seizure of land and incitement of the Southern Whites to restart the Civil War. At the very least it would have been the KKK on steroids if 40 acres and a mule had become permanent. A terrorist army in the south attacking the blacks and the federal armies sent to put them down.
The Southern leadership may have deliberately wanted to put the freedmen on the coast.
The slave traders in Africa were their allies.
The South was partially wrecked and had spent its money on war. They were very low on food.
The Africans who were in the business of trading slaves must have been concerned for their future. The loss of the Confederacy meant they could no longer illegally import slaves to the US. Brazilian planters voluntarily ended slavery in 1868 and it was a global trend.
The African slave traders must have seethed with envy for the people they had exported to America because those people were getting free in a nation with land to give away.
Maybe the Southerners took some of the African slave traders' money to let them secretly emigrate and replace some of the freedmen. The freedmen could have been sold abroad or scuttled while still disorganized and uneducated.
liberia west africa started in 1820 was a colony for freed slaves Between 1820 and 1864, only 11,000 African Americans emigrated to Liberia (4,000 free blacks and 7,000 former slaves who gained freedom by agreeing to emigrate to Liberia).
haiti's slave rebellion against the french in 1803.
and trump is the only living potus with no slave owners in his ancestry.
good luck to whoever tries to sort it all out.
originally posted by: ATSAlex
Reparations should be paid by the actual slave owners to the actual slaves. PROBLEM FIXED!!!!
The US Government was not in the business of importing slaves, it was PRIVATE COMPANIES.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Solvedit
In no way, shape, or form are reparations just or owed.
Slavery is a world wide machination that has been happening longer than recorded history. It is still happening today in some countries. The idea that white people owe money to black people for slavery is ridiculous.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Solvedit
Yes, I saw the OP. When you state very directly that reparations are just you have invited differing opinions. "Reparations, while just, may not be owed," due to a hypothetical condition involving hand-selected freedmen, is still a claim that reparations, in and of themselves, are just and deserved. They simply are not, at least not without including every other race that suffered slavery, which is all of them.
originally posted by: Vroomfondel...hand-selected freedmen...
originally posted by: Solvedit
originally posted by: nickyw
a reply to: Solvedit
the problem for Americans or indeed the Anglosphere is the age old question, if an abuser hurts their own kids what'll they do to someone else's..
the English started shipping its street kids to American colonies well before the first transatlantic slave ship arrived, while the royal navy is at pains to say they stopped that they never blocked the ships deporting their own to be used/abused and killed in a practice that outlasted the Atlantic slave trade by more than a century.. but its fair to say the American revolution exchanged one unwilling human cargo for another.
the issue here is a brutal culture that hurts its own as much as any other.. where or how that gets picked apart i have no idea but its not new and is unending as its a national characteristic..
it tries to reshape its abuse as modern and progressive.. but we fight the exact same wars with a similar establishment over and over..
Europe was overcrowded. Many colonists probably wanted to go.
They may have wanted to ensure the New World didn't become a haven for pirates and human traffickers.
“And if any of them shall be found obstinate to resist or otherwise to disobey such directions as shall be given in this behalf, we do likewise hereby authorize such as shall have the charge of this service to imprison, punish, and disposeany of those children . . . and so to ship themout for Virginia with as much expedition as may stand with conveniency.”