Weird smoke cloud causes severe turbulence for commercial flight

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Plume-like cloud ‘shot’ in front of Hawaiian Airlines flight seconds before turbulence injured 25, pilot says

This is weird, so I thought I'd present it here to ATS. I wasn't sure where to put it so I put it in this forum, even though I think this is new weather control technology or some other weird technology, and even looks like some of our cloud UAPs. I've been seeing a lot of UAP vids involving something in clouds.

The pilot, a captain on the Dec. 18 flight from Phoenix to Honolulu, said conditions were smooth and on-board weather radar showed no turbulence as they flew above a layer of cirrostratus clouds at an altitude of between 37,000 and 38,000 feet, the National Transportation Safety Board said in a preliminary report on the incident.

Pretty high up to be turbulence caused by a ground explosion, I would think.

The pilot told the lead flight attendant about the incoming weather, and within 1 to 3 seconds, the plane — an Airbus A330 — plowed into what the report described as “severely convectively induced turbulence,” the report says.

"Shortly after the turbulence-related upset, the lead flight attendant informed the flight crew that there were multiple injuries in the cabin," the report says.

That's pretty gnarly turbulence.

Satellite imagery later reviewed by the report’s authors showed strong cells associated with a storm system moving toward Hawaii that were near the flight path, according to the report
No other pilots had reported severe weather in the region before the incident, the report says.

That's weird to me, and my conspiracy mind kicked in on this one. Anyone have any ideas or theories on this? Strange cloud of smoke causing that bad of turbulence; something is off here.
What say you? Am I looking too hard, or is something off about this?

a reply to: AOx6179

Pretty high up to be turbulence caused by a ground explosion, I would think.

Hmmm...yes...too high up to be a ground explosion! When I first started reading my thought was immediately something that had occurred on the surface (volcano)!

After reading that though...my thought went to a explosion in the air! Like what though? Missile defense system? That was my thought...the term "smokey" makes me think incendiary of some sort! Ah...a missile being shot down...is that too far fetched?

Maybe it is...but it certainly is an odd occurrence! I remember the "Star Wars" missile defense system introduced in the Reagan days...I thought about something like that! Did Kim Jong-un get one of his stray missiles shot down?

originally posted by: jerryznv
a reply to: AOx6179

Pretty high up to be turbulence caused by a ground explosion, I would think.

Hmmm...yes...too high up to be a ground explosion! When I first started reading my thought was immediately something that had occurred on the surface (volcano)!

After reading that though...my thought went to a explosion in the air! Like what though? Missile defense system? That was my thought...the term "smokey" makes me think incendiary of some sort! Ah...a missile being shot down...is that too far fetched?

Maybe it is...but it certainly is an odd occurrence! I remember the "Star Wars" missile defense system introduced in the Reagan days...I thought about something like that! Did Kim Jong-un get one of his stray missiles shot down?

Hadn't even considered that. Good thought.
Seems like they would have seen an explosion or saw something on radar.
Noodle scratcher...

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: jerryznv
a reply to: AOx6179

Pretty high up to be turbulence caused by a ground explosion, I would think.

Hmmm...yes...too high up to be a ground explosion! When I first started reading my thought was immediately something that had occurred on the surface (volcano)!

After reading that though...my thought went to a explosion in the air! Like what though? Missile defense system? That was my thought...the term "smokey" makes me think incendiary of some sort! Ah...a missile being shot down...is that too far fetched?

Maybe it is...but it certainly is an odd occurrence! I remember the "Star Wars" missile defense system introduced in the Reagan days...I thought about something like that! Did Kim Jong-un get one of his stray missiles shot down?

Hadn't even considered that. Good thought.
Seems like they would have seen an explosion or saw something on radar.
Noodle scratcher...

Maybe "they" did...lol

May not have seen the explosion...at that altitude the air is very thin and if it was much higher than the planes altitude, then "stuff" would have still been falling (descending) to the earth!

I imagine extreme heat (like nuclear fusion) would stay in the upper atmosphere and remain hot for a considerable amount of time! I am certainly not an expert (not even an armature) in how something like that might look or be described...I'm just guessing really!

originally posted by: jerryznv

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: jerryznv
a reply to: AOx6179

Pretty high up to be turbulence caused by a ground explosion, I would think.

Hmmm...yes...too high up to be a ground explosion! When I first started reading my thought was immediately something that had occurred on the surface (volcano)!

After reading that though...my thought went to a explosion in the air! Like what though? Missile defense system? That was my thought...the term "smokey" makes me think incendiary of some sort! Ah...a missile being shot down...is that too far fetched?

Maybe it is...but it certainly is an odd occurrence! I remember the "Star Wars" missile defense system introduced in the Reagan days...I thought about something like that! Did Kim Jong-un get one of his stray missiles shot down?

Hadn't even considered that. Good thought.
Seems like they would have seen an explosion or saw something on radar.
Noodle scratcher...

Maybe "they" did...lol

May not have seen the explosion...at that altitude the air is very thin and if it was much higher than the planes altitude, then "stuff" would have still been falling (descending) to the earth!

I imagine extreme heat (like nuclear fusion) would stay in the upper atmosphere and remain hot for a considerable amount of time! I am certainly not an expert (not even an armature) in how something like that might look or be described...I'm just guessing really!

Stellar guess. I was wondering along the same lines, in one path of thought. Maybe something nuclear exploded and that energy rising would cause more severe than normal turbulence. But like you, I have zero experience or knowledge to add other than these guesses.
I wonder if we'll here anymore on this one.

a reply to: jerryznv

Remember the minute man alarm a few years back, that was fun...

It is strange. I've been on some pretty rough flights, but they knew it was coming and everyone strapped in so the bumps didn't hurt anyone. Sounds like a human communication error by possibly the FAA controllers not adjusting the flight plan a little bit.

www.khon2.com...

Here's another article on it.

Some of these updrafts or upward motions can be 40 mph or more, so nothing can be there and then in a matter of minutes you can have a well-developed cloud in front of you,” said Derek Wroe, a National Weather Service meteorologist.

I've never heard this before. Not in this capacity anyways, or of any "swiftly rising" like a puff of smoke cloud.
Still not clicking for me.

It wasn’t a smoke cloud, that was just the way he described it. It was “similar to a smoke cloud”. It was most likely a shear line that formed as they approached the area, and warm air pushed the cloud up.

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I used to do work in a little town in northern Minnesota. I would fly into MSP on a big plane, and take a twin engine mail plane (with three mail stops on the way) to Bemidji. As frightening as it is on a twin engine plane, it was usually non-eventful. One flight we hit turbulence like I've never seen and the stewardess was stuck to the ceiling, then slammed to the floor. She got up, buckled in, and didn't move until we landed. She was facing us in her seat and looked scared to death. Of course we all asked if she was OK, and she said she was fine, but the look on her face said otherwise.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
It wasn’t a smoke cloud, that was just the way he described it. It was “similar to a smoke cloud”. It was most likely a shear line that formed as they approached the area, and warm air pushed the cloud up.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing a cloud climbing vertically like a puff of smoke. Expand upwards, sure. But need rise straight up. Not saying I think you're wrong, or that I couldn't wrap my mind around what you explained. I just have never seen anything like that before. I bet that was wild watching a cloud climb like that with that much force underneath it. Freaky either way.

Added: www.windows2universe.org...#:~:text=Clouds%20with%20vertical%20growth%20include,air%20rising%20from%20the %20surface.
I did just find this. Vertical growth clouds.

Clouds with vertical growth include cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds. These clouds grow high up into the atmosphere rather than spreading across the sky. They span all levels of the troposphere and can even rise up into the stratosphere.

Clouds with vertical growth develop by warm air rising from the surface. Cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds provide the some of the most interesting and severe weather on Earth.

Wild. I learn something new every day. This thing must've been a powerful surge behind it.

I actually experienced the same on my flight back from Dublin to Florida on the 14th of January.
They announced at the start of the flight that we would be encountering more severe turbulence than usual because of jet streams (maybe? not sure I remember correctly). But , I've flown many times in my life and have never encountered the turbulence we did on this flight. I thought the plane was going to crash at some point.
Didn't see anything outside as the blinds were all down.

a reply to: AOx6179

If it was a shear line, there was insane force behind it. Windshear has knocked large planes, like L1011s out of the air, when they were on approach. At high altitude it can cause insane turbulence. A United 747 out of Japan hit turbulence from one that resulted in one death, and enough damage that they retired the plane a year early.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: AOx6179

If it was a shear line, there was insane force behind it. Windshear has knocked large planes, like L1011s out of the air, when they were on approach. At high altitude it can cause insane turbulence. A United 747 out of Japan hit turbulence from one that resulted in one death, and enough damage that they retired the plane a year early.

Wow, yeah, I guess I didn't realize how much force could shoot straight up like that, that high up, with that much force. Insane

a reply to: AOx6179

If you look at the weather in the area at the time, conditions were good for a shear line. There was a cold front that became the bomb cyclone that hit California, followed by a warm front. Wind shear generally happens when warm and cold air mix.

originally posted by: AOx6179

originally posted by: Zaphod58
It wasn’t a smoke cloud, that was just the way he described it. It was “similar to a smoke cloud”. It was most likely a shear line that formed as they approached the area, and warm air pushed the cloud up.

I don't recall ever hearing or seeing a cloud climbing vertically like a puff of smoke. Expand upwards, sure. But need rise straight up. Not saying I think you're wrong, or that I couldn't wrap my mind around what you explained. I just have never seen anything like that before. I bet that was wild watching a cloud climb like that with that much force underneath it. Freaky either way.

Added: www.windows2universe.org...#:~:text=Clouds%20with%20vertical%20growth%20include,air%20rising%20from%20the %20surface.
I did just find this. Vertical growth clouds.

Clouds with vertical growth include cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds. These clouds grow high up into the atmosphere rather than spreading across the sky. They span all levels of the troposphere and can even rise up into the stratosphere.

Clouds with vertical growth develop by warm air rising from the surface. Cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds provide the some of the most interesting and severe weather on Earth.

Wild. I learn something new every day. This thing must've been a powerful surge behind it.

The troposphere is where all the weather happens. It averages about 11 mile above the surface and most clouds are confined to the troposphere. To have clouds rise up higher into the stratosphere is pretty remarkable.

Clouds with vertical growth include cumulus and cumulonimbus clouds. These clouds grow high up into the atmosphere rather than spreading across the sky. They span all levels of the troposphere and can even rise up into the stratosphere.

From a quick search on the atom bomb, the best I could find on the air column produced by a surface detonation is that they travel upward a few miles before raining down fallout. That pressure must go higher of course, and an air detonation would be different, but interesting to consider.

Thanks for the information.

a reply to: AOx6179

Sounds like the opening scene for a show like Lost or Manifest.