Is Ukraine The Theater To Usher in Killer AI Drones?

With no proliferation rules, no capabilities stipulations, no rules of engagement, and a basically unemotional and relentless desire to fulfill their mission set, do we really think Russia, China, North Korea, or Iran would not field these by the drove against their emenies? Hell, the US may even be the first to take a swing at it.

Launch an autonomous swarm of these, call it 100 units, onto a specific target and watch technology go to town. Yes, we have AP rounds, EMP/EW countermeasures and so on, but does a small town along the Zelina River [any remote location] have such counter measures? AI drones as Guerilla fighters/Shock troops employing hit-and-run tactics would be tough to defend against. Not impossible, but initially an issue for the targeted until a proper defensive response could be adopted, desiminated, and employed on a local level.

Lot's of media to be found, but here's a basic overview: Killer AI Drones

a reply to: BaconCrusader

They're already being employed under the moniker "loitering munitions".

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True, but they still "supposedly" are not fully autonomous --they require a human to establish/maintain certain segments of their mission, and to my limited knowledge are not deployed in swarms or clusters in any great number at one time.

a reply to: BaconCrusader

You may well be correct.

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There will be boats that are programmed without people. Them boats will contain suicide drones filled with chemicals that will crash into any seabearing military ships.
This will be done by America's enemies. Of course, American MIC is also working on this. Currently the crazy idea isto have the boats and drones together by dropped parachutes from planes with boat and drone together.

Regardless if they are autonomous or not. Drones still have a horrible track record for collateral damage and loss of innocent lives. Just ask Daniel Hale.

This just gives the people who gave the order more plausible deniability to escape justice. If you order a drone strike and it blows up a wedding you should be convinced of war crimes. PERIOD.

I feel this trajectory we are on with drones being deployed on the field of battle will end disastrously.

Ukraine/America already flew a drone into Russia territory only a few hundred miles from Moscow to target a Russian nuclear strike group. Almost setting of a chain of events that would have killed most of the planet.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainian people and their lands,in the end they are just being used by west and east as test grounds of how future wars will be fought.

The data that is getting collected these days are insane,there is a reason why Israel doesnt send their iron dome to Ukraine and there is a reason why most western countries are too hesitant by sending advanced tanks to Ukraine.

Every step you take now gonna have consequences in future wars.

there is always the great levellers that everyone can produce in one form or another, in the great war it was the dreadnoughts and the tanks, in ww2 it was the carriers and interceptors.. and now its the drones and I would add soon it'll be paired with the AI's.

in the end all these advantages do is level the playing field and enable battle to commence as one side thinks it has the most toys to win a war.. to a degree they are right in the very sort term but the unintended become apparent very soon..

originally posted by: nickyw
there is always the great levellers that everyone can produce in one form or another, in the great war it was the dreadnoughts and the tanks, in ww2 it was the carriers and interceptors.. and now its the drones and I would add soon it'll be paired with the AI's.

in the end all these advantages do is level the playing field and enable battle to commence as one side thinks it has the most toys to win a war.. to a degree they are right in the very sort term but the unintended become apparent very soon..

... TPTB are literally playing a video game with human lives at that point. For a long time, they haven't been out there leading from the front [they're in DC/CONUS]. Currently, they are telling some kid [pick a town with fast connectivity] with a PS controller which "hostile target" to take out next, while both watch with glee on their selective monitors the cool infrared gun-camera footage replete with 'black is hot' explosions. I'm being grandiose, but whether it's Jimmy Olsen from Tacoma, WA or Airman 1st Class Briggs driving a mouse from Chreech, AI just cuts out the mandatory teenager.

Not sure I agree/understand your point on this being the great leveler. It is actually a massively upscaled optic on how society as a whole is being divided into the Tech Haves, and the Tech Have-Nots.

There is a financial barrier to entry for the niceties of 5G +$1200 SmartPhones, Subscription Streaming Services, etc. etc. etc. All to say, the same applies to World Governments/States. AI Drone Warfare will QUICKLY weed out the lesser tech centric players.

That is, unless you have forgotten the lessons learned in Vietnam, AF, the American Revolution, et al.

a reply to: JAY1980

Drones still have a horrible track record for collateral damage and loss of innocent lives.

most goverments don't care about human lives ,as long as they "win" the war .
Drones are cheap if you compare it with the most advanced precise weapons/planes. that's why they are being used these days ,it's nice to have a super precise weapon that can stop a drone worth 10-30k,but is it really worth it in the end?
Think if the enemy got the right data they can easily program a drone that seems like a plane, a real plane on a radar systems these days.
Future warfare is changing day by day.

Ukraine/America already flew a drone into Russia territory only a few hundred miles from Moscow to target a

Russian nuclear strike group. Almost setting of a chain of events that would have killed most of the planet.

Next few drones that gonna hit inside Russia territory gonna be Ukrainian/NATO,they will hit a nuclear loaded plane and they will blame Putin/Kremlin/Russia for a false flag . Russia will react with nukes and in the end was it all worth it? Wasn't the world a better place with a neutral Ukraine,Donbass part of Russian federation and a pro Russian in goverment in the end?

We know Russia has suffered so many troop loses they started draining their prison system for conscripts. Wagner Group is probably the most mad-whack Co out there, they have no scruples but also are starting to field lesser and lesser capable troops, and that's saying something...

Drones don't desert. Drones don't question orders. Autonomous drones don't really care who YOU are, what you may be going through, which side is right or wrong, they just seek to carry out their mission. They are highly replicable, and emotionally unattached by all sides involved. No hard feelings if a drone get's shot down. It's just a drone. That's something to look at as AI starts dipping into The Singularity and computer RAIDs containing a human's consciousness.

AI 2.0

a reply to: BaconCrusader

We know Russia has suffered so many troop loses they started draining their prison system for conscripts. Wagner Group is probably the most mad-whack Co out there, they have no scruples but also are starting to field lesser and lesser capable troops, and that's saying something...

Both sides has been loosing a lot of lives from the start of this war and not just Russia ,Ukraine has been doing the same from the start of this war as well Ukraine releases prisoners of war You can call out Wagner PMC,but they are just a copy of "Black water pmc " Asian countries always looked up and copy western countries, and they have been doing it for a long time as well.
They learned from the best.

Drones are collecting a lot of data for future wars these days,every defence system that reacts to a strike is data our enemy can use for further strikes in the future

a reply to: BaconCrusader

Its known Ukraine had being suffering heavier losses but your king clown zelensky and zelensky's govt had being afraid of reporting Ukrainian's actual death stats.

If zelensky govt admits that Ukraine had being suffering more casualties than Russia.

Than that make Ukrainians less supportive of the war in general.


In General Bacon there are videos of Ukrainian troops flags laying on roads miles of miles Ukrainian flags on the road those who had died on the front.


Its clear the zelensky's govt hasn't being honest.

originally posted by: Dizle81
a reply to: BaconCrusader

We know Russia has suffered so many troop loses they started draining their prison system for conscripts. Wagner Group is probably the most mad-whack Co out there, they have no scruples but also are starting to field lesser and lesser capable troops, and that's saying something...

Both sides has been loosing a lot of lives from the start of this war and not just Russia ,Ukraine has been doing the same from the start of this war as well Ukraine releases prisoners of war You can call out Wagner PMC,but they are just a copy of "Black water pmc " Asian countries always looked up and copy western countries, and they have been doing it for a long time as well.
They learned from the best.

Drones are collecting a lot of data for future wars these days,every defence system that reacts to a strike is data our enemy can use for further strikes in the future

Agreed on the losses. As far as I know/have heard though, Ukraine has not started dipping into the penal system to man frontline units. But I do not KNOW that for fact.

originally posted by: vNex92
a reply to: BaconCrusader

Its known Ukraine had being suffering heavier losses but your king clown zelensky and zelensky's govt had being afraid of reporting Ukrainian's actual death stats.

If zelensky govt admits that Ukraine had being suffering more casualties than Russia.

Than that make Ukrainians less supportive of the war in general.


In General Bacon there are videos of Ukrainian troops flags laying on roads miles of miles Ukrainian flags on the road those who had died on the front.


Its clear the zelensky's govt hasn't being honest.

I'd suspect Zelensky says whatever he needs to say to get any and everything he wants/needs to kill the Russian invaders. No doubt Ukraine has suffered major losses, but why? Because Russia --Putin-- is trying to stave-off Ukraine from joining NATO and losing a buffer nation if they do so. I understand the perceived threat, but it's a dumb move [invading Ukraine] as the West is itching to keep the cash flowing for its war-machine and "being right." This will cost Russia dearly, they are both exposing their tediously archaic weaponology [they have 3-5 operational SU-57 Felons, THREE to Five, out of NINE!] That's not a World Power, that's a cute attempt to stay relevant, as well as their general lack of depth in logistics/resupply/manpower/occupational abilities.

a reply to: BaconCrusader

There will probably still be an operator. The AI will be more like a head 6 leading the way

a reply to: BaconCrusader

yes it is the perfect arena.

this will be the proving grounds for autonomous warfare.

a reply to: BaconCrusader

Drones don't desert or question orders until they are hacked and/or subjected to meaconing.

But, yeah, they are not subject to the typical morale issues of human troops.

Good thread.

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