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And the angel of the LORD appeared to Gideon and said, “The LORD is with you, O mighty man of valour.”
“Please, my Lord,” Gideon replied, “if the LORD is with us, why has all this happened to us? And where are all His wonders of which our fathers told us, saying, ‘Has not the LORD brought us up out of Egypt?’ But now the LORD has forsaken us and delivered us into the hand of Midian.”
The LORD turned to him and said, “Go in the strength you have and save Israel from the hand of Midian. Am I not sending you?”…
Judges 6:12-14
originally posted by: Mantiss2021
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment
With respect.
What you have written brings up a question I have pondered over a number of years
"How does one trust, follow, and "love" a "god" who offers its greatest presence only in extremis?
It seems somehow the basis of a coercive relationship, at best.
Bear in mind that I am the product of a 12 year parochial education, and have discussed this topic with many clergy....to no satisfaction.
It should also be noted that I, myself, have personally had the experience of "hitting rock bottom", to the extent that I quite seriously considered ending my life.
And yes, in that darkest of moments, I, too, was offered "deliverence", or "salvation" if you will, for nothing in return except for my lifetime devotion.
I rejected the offer. I could not bring myself to accept the help of anyone who would withhold their aid until it was all but too late, and then hold out rescue for the price of devotion.
I refuse.
And, I survived.
My life, my world, is mine....to make, or to break.
That is why so many of the world's peoples will be forgiven their sins, even if they do not know the One who is king of all Creation
Later Jesus said to [the people] again, "I am going away. You will search for me but will die in your sin. You cannot come where I am going."
The people asked, "Is he planning to commit suicide? What does he mean, 'You cannot come where I am going'?"
Jesus continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You belong to this world; I do not. That is why I said that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I AM who I claim to be, you will die in your sins."
John 10:9
9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[1]They will come in and go out, and find pasture.
John 14:6
6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Has the line not been crossed already?
originally posted by: 19Bones79
a reply to: ketsuko
What if everybody refused to pay taxes?
Maybe hold protest rallies like Woodstock but without the fun, I'm guessing.
There must be some way to mobilize without it having to turn violent and still grab the attention of everyone.
If you would like to check out my next thread, I hope that you will see that this is one of the ways in which the LORD has fulfilled the gift of spiritual warfare which was bestowed upon me at my conversion. Although I am anonymous in worldly terms, I have been persecuted horrendously by the Enemy, with diabolical nightmares interrupting the sacred dreams which the LORD has blessed me with time & again, and with seemingly unknown persons accusing me & reviling me in the street constantly, even though I have not committed any crime. I am glad to say that I have also been supported tremendously by an organised conspiracy of God's grace, with angels & men both seen & unseen blessing me with their words, prayers & discipline, keeping my head up despite the many hardships I have faced, despite the isolation which was unavoidable, despite the learned helplessness which was programmed into me since my youth - as well as the diabolical assaults which began when I was five years old, including physical torture & sustained psychological abuse.