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Why not get everyone at your school together who saw it and get a news station down there for an interview? Spread the word, capitalize on it. I don't understand that.
Well saying we don't know is one thing, but saying they exist is another. There is a lot of stuff we don't know. But that doesn't justify things into existence by our imaginations.
Originally posted by stumason
Aliens exist, without a doubt. To deny that would be a very big leap of faith.
However............
Are aliens visiting earth? You raise some good points.
Personally, I believe something is going on, as I personally have seen a UFO. Not a blurry, far away object, nor a governent plane.
To be honest, it looked like a Borg cube! And I wasn't the only one to see it, my entire school saw it over our town.
Again, however..... It could have been something benign.
BUT, it hovered over our school for about 20 mins, without moving, at about 5-10,000 ft, I could make it out clear as day, and then it just vanished.
So I would say, without a doubt, it wasn't a weather balloon diffracting the light from venus through swamp gas!
A more logical approach would be look at the moon and mars. If you can't find life there where the situation is farely close to ideal for a possibility of life, how will you expect it somewhere else?
Originally posted by Lord Altmis
1. If the government knew, or a number of people knew aliens existed, why aren't there more people coming forward trying to capitalize on it by selling books, movie deals, or interview time.
I believe the opposite of most people, I dont think the govt. (or whatever facets of whatsever govt agency ya wanna name) know very much except a few key points. (More on that later) I dont think they conclusively know whats going on.
2. How come all the videos are blurry clips that only last a few minutes.
Theyre not...well not all. Some are just as you said, because rarely is anyone prepared to take video of such a thing. It is after all a pretty rare event. But there are some that have been shot enough to see structure, and theyre for the most part pretty clear. Most try to zoom in on the object, which is NOT a good thing to do, but it is a human response.
This kinda thing also doesnt hang around very long. How come I wonder. Always seems to be just enough to get you interested. Just enough to spark further study. Interesting no?
3. How come whenever a picture is released, only one is released and it's usually a little blurry. You would think that someone who just happened to have a camera around when a spaceship flies by would take more than one picture. And on top of that, you'd think they'd claim rights to it and sell the pictures.
Not everyone wants to be associated with this kinda thing. It seems that there's always been a concerted effort to make people look like idiots, or crazy. It's a stigma, a stereotypical overlay that this guy is a hillybilly....and why do aliens only visit inbreeds? We all know thats not true. Even astronauts have seen objects they cannot ID, and theyre trained best out of anyone.
4. How come there aren't occurences that are caught on film while filming live on tv. You would think they'd capture that occasionally.
Thats happened more than once. But again, it has to be reported, and reporters often after the "human interest" story on UFOs at the end of broadcast, get the secret smile on their face like "yeah right". I'll bet there's footage gotten by news crews you never see...but there was a case a few years back that did go public.
5. How come all aliens look the same, as in movie aliens. Is it because if they looked liked demons, or what society thinks a demon looks like, they wouldn't believe in aliens? You'd instead be proving demons exist.
This where it gets tricky. Hope you can follow this. I personally after 20 years in this field, dont believe we know what "aliens" look like at all. The common buggy grey guy...thats not it. There's something behind that. Perception is key. I truly believe that.
What many people in the field dont talk about is the true nature of the real phenomenon. It is FAR stranger then you've ever probably heard. I dont buy the little grey men, and I dont buy the reptilians, and I dont buy the blondes, nor the tans...you name it. I believe people see that...but I dont believe thats the reality. These beings, whatever they are, seem to me, to conform to expectation. Conform to popular consciousness. Back in the old days, they were fairies, or demons, gnomes.
This "thing" has been here at least as long as we have. Could it be extraterrestrial? Maybe I guess. Despite what people see and tape, I dont believe it's little green men from planet X here to study us. Such events may have taken place, but the majority of true unknown cases, are to me, something else. But I see very little to suggest ET.
Other then "aliens" from another world what else could they be? It's a big list of suppositions, list here but a few:
1) Theyre from the sea. Think thats crazy? When we crawled out of the primordial slime, at the beginning, some did not. Some of *us*, or what makes us up, stayed in the sea. That part would have millions of years of evolution on us. While "we" were trying to walk on land, "they" were already in water...get the idea, as simplified as I'm telling it? Still think thats crazy? Approximately half the UFO sightings are around water. Craft under, in around or coming out of ocean or fresh water.
Still pretty dumb huh?
What name is on ALOT of UFO documents.
Right.
Department of Naval Intelligence.
You get the idea. It's no more a long shot then anything else.
2)Theyre our future. (This has been babbled about for years, no point in me going on about it.)
3)Theyre from a different dimension. Mathematical scientists have theorized about "multiverses", and theorists say such parallels could exist. Could someone have bridged the gap? Who the hell knows.
4)They are the living embodiment of what religious folks would call "demonic". There's plenty of evidence to suggest this too. However it does require the notion of good and evil. Could it be that the "forces" of good and evil are playing out their part, appearing to us as "aliens" because we cannot perceive them any other way? Again, who the hell knows (pardon the pun).
The point I think everyone misses, is the study of UFOs and aliens isnt a study of them, it's a study of us...of people. People who shoot video, photos, or tell an eyewitness account. We have NO solid evidence. After all this time, shouldnt we have *something* conclusive? You'd sure as hell think. Maybe it can make landing tracks, maybe aliens can tag humans..put marks or implants in them, maybe they can effect reality as we know it...but not be physically real. Not in our sense anyway.
Dont think this is saying "they" or whatever "it" is isnt real. If it's possible to say, they could be more "real" then we are. We percieve them as aliens and UFOs (when it's a true unknown event, barring hoaxes, misinterpretations, and natural phenomena) because we cannot percieve them any other way.
In the 50's, think about the style. What was a common trait of design? Chrome, fins, etc. Look at truely unknown photos of UFOs from that time. You'll see fins on chrome discs. Today, we see slimmed and sleek balls of chrome, multilobed objects, thin discs, triangle and diamond shaped...but highly tech-influenced. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Could we in our perceptions of the unknown beings be "making" them real? Making their form? Effecting ourselves in how we percieve them and what theyre doing?
I dunno. I'm not trying to convince you. But when you say "aliens" we really need to redefine what that means. If we cant say extraterrestrial with all good and accurate data, then we cant responsibly say it at all. It by all definition that we can use, would be enigmatic beings (or presence), at best.
I have no answers. I believe there is something to it, what it is, I have no clue...but there's no shortage of possibilities.
I do believe people take this whole thing at face value. "It flies and I dont know what it is. I saw beings that were not human." Doesnt equate to ETs. We can only guess.
People will often say, "they told me they were from (insert galaxy, star cluster, dimension here)"
I would say to that:
"Why would you believe them?"
or "Never trust an alien".
Again something much deeper then ET visitation could be happening, much deeper. Who knows what it could be, we could speculate forever.
What do I know, I only do the visual analysis...this is all just my opinion, from what I have viewed and cases I've studied. My view isnt a easy way out of the reality of this stuff, there's damn good evidence out there that whatsever this is can and does effect people, environment, and register on tape and cameras. It's there if ya look.
I will continue my best to weed out opportunistic hoaxers and frauds, by doing what I do. If it helps even a little in any headway, it's worth it. But we all have to put ego and money behind us, and get friggin serious.
Because in the end we may never learn anything about our visitors, but volumes about us.
[edit on 6-4-2005 by jritzmann]
To be honest, it looked like a Borg cube! And I wasn't the only one to see it, my entire school saw it over our town.
Originally posted by Lord Altmis
1. If the government knew, or a number of people knew aliens existed, why aren't there more people coming forward trying to capitalize on it by selling books, movie deals, or interview time.
2. How come all the videos are blurry clips that only last a few minutes.
Originally posted by jritzmann
Here's the best answers I have for ya, this is all from my own perspective. (edit: My comments are bold.)
Originally posted by Lord Altmis
1. If the government knew, or a number of people knew aliens existed, why aren't there more people coming forward trying to capitalize on it by selling books, movie deals, or interview time.
I believe the opposite of most people, I dont think the govt. (or whatever facets of whatsever govt agency ya wanna name) know very much except a few key points. (More on that later) I dont think they conclusively know whats going on.
2. How come all the videos are blurry clips that only last a few minutes.
Theyre not...well not all. Some are just as you said, because rarely is anyone prepared to take video of such a thing. It is after all a pretty rare event. But there are some that have been shot enough to see structure, and theyre for the most part pretty clear. Most try to zoom in on the object, which is NOT a good thing to do, but it is a human response.
This kinda thing also doesnt hang around very long. How come I wonder. Always seems to be just enough to get you interested. Just enough to spark further study. Interesting no?
3. How come whenever a picture is released, only one is released and it's usually a little blurry. You would think that someone who just happened to have a camera around when a spaceship flies by would take more than one picture. And on top of that, you'd think they'd claim rights to it and sell the pictures.
Not everyone wants to be associated with this kinda thing. It seems that there's always been a concerted effort to make people look like idiots, or crazy. It's a stigma, a stereotypical overlay that this guy is a hillybilly....and why do aliens only visit inbreeds? We all know thats not true. Even astronauts have seen objects they cannot ID, and theyre trained best out of anyone.
4. How come there aren't occurences that are caught on film while filming live on tv. You would think they'd capture that occasionally.
Thats happened more than once. But again, it has to be reported, and reporters often after the "human interest" story on UFOs at the end of broadcast, get the secret smile on their face like "yeah right". I'll bet there's footage gotten by news crews you never see...but there was a case a few years back that did go public.
5. How come all aliens look the same, as in movie aliens. Is it because if they looked liked demons, or what society thinks a demon looks like, they wouldn't believe in aliens? You'd instead be proving demons exist.
This where it gets tricky. Hope you can follow this. I personally after 20 years in this field, dont believe we know what "aliens" look like at all. The common buggy grey guy...thats not it. There's something behind that. Perception is key. I truly believe that.
What many people in the field dont talk about is the true nature of the real phenomenon. It is FAR stranger then you've ever probably heard. I dont buy the little grey men, and I dont buy the reptilians, and I dont buy the blondes, nor the tans...you name it. I believe people see that...but I dont believe thats the reality. These beings, whatever they are, seem to me, to conform to expectation. Conform to popular consciousness. Back in the old days, they were fairies, or demons, gnomes.
This "thing" has been here at least as long as we have. Could it be extraterrestrial? Maybe I guess. Despite what people see and tape, I dont believe it's little green men from planet X here to study us. Such events may have taken place, but the majority of true unknown cases, are to me, something else. But I see very little to suggest ET.
Other then "aliens" from another world what else could they be? It's a big list of suppositions, list here but a few:
1) Theyre from the sea. Think thats crazy? When we crawled out of the primordial slime, at the beginning, some did not. Some of *us*, or what makes us up, stayed in the sea. That part would have millions of years of evolution on us. While "we" were trying to walk on land, "they" were already in water...get the idea, as simplified as I'm telling it? Still think thats crazy? Approximately half the UFO sightings are around water. Craft under, in around or coming out of ocean or fresh water.
Still pretty dumb huh?
What name is on ALOT of UFO documents.
Right.
Department of Naval Intelligence.
You get the idea. It's no more a long shot then anything else.
2)Theyre our future. (This has been babbled about for years, no point in me going on about it.)
3)Theyre from a different dimension. Mathematical scientists have theorized about "multiverses", and theorists say such parallels could exist. Could someone have bridged the gap? Who the hell knows.
4)They are the living embodiment of what religious folks would call "demonic". There's plenty of evidence to suggest this too. However it does require the notion of good and evil. Could it be that the "forces" of good and evil are playing out their part, appearing to us as "aliens" because we cannot perceive them any other way? Again, who the hell knows (pardon the pun).
The point I think everyone misses, is the study of UFOs and aliens isnt a study of them, it's a study of us...of people. People who shoot video, photos, or tell an eyewitness account. We have NO solid evidence. After all this time, shouldnt we have *something* conclusive? You'd sure as hell think. Maybe it can make landing tracks, maybe aliens can tag humans..put marks or implants in them, maybe they can effect reality as we know it...but not be physically real. Not in our sense anyway.
Dont think this is saying "they" or whatever "it" is isnt real. If it's possible to say, they could be more "real" then we are. We percieve them as aliens and UFOs (when it's a true unknown event, barring hoaxes, misinterpretations, and natural phenomena) because we cannot percieve them any other way.
In the 50's, think about the style. What was a common trait of design? Chrome, fins, etc. Look at truely unknown photos of UFOs from that time. You'll see fins on chrome discs. Today, we see slimmed and sleek balls of chrome, multilobed objects, thin discs, triangle and diamond shaped...but highly tech-influenced. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Could we in our perceptions of the unknown beings be "making" them real? Making their form? Effecting ourselves in how we percieve them and what theyre doing?
I dunno. I'm not trying to convince you. But when you say "aliens" we really need to redefine what that means. If we cant say extraterrestrial with all good and accurate data, then we cant responsibly say it at all. It by all definition that we can use, would be enigmatic beings (or presence), at best.
I have no answers. I believe there is something to it, what it is, I have no clue...but there's no shortage of possibilities.
I do believe people take this whole thing at face value. "It flies and I dont know what it is. I saw beings that were not human." Doesnt equate to ETs. We can only guess.
People will often say, "they told me they were from (insert galaxy, star cluster, dimension here)"
I would say to that:
"Why would you believe them?"
or "Never trust an alien".
Again something much deeper then ET visitation could be happening, much deeper. Who knows what it could be, we could speculate forever.
What do I know, I only do the visual analysis...this is all just my opinion, from what I have viewed and cases I've studied. My view isnt a easy way out of the reality of this stuff, there's damn good evidence out there that whatsever this is can and does effect people, environment, and register on tape and cameras. It's there if ya look.
I will continue my best to weed out opportunistic hoaxers and frauds, by doing what I do. If it helps even a little in any headway, it's worth it. But we all have to put ego and money behind us, and get friggin serious.
Because in the end we may never learn anything about our visitors, but volumes about us.
[edit on 6-4-2005 by jritzmann]
Hopefully somebody knows what's going on in the government. During an interview or press conference, has a president ever been asked about Area51 or if aliens exist?
I wonder what Bush would say if a reporter asked him that.
[edit on 7-4-2005 by Lord Altmis]