DOJ Used ‘Reverse Spying’ Attempting to Shut Down Investigation into Russia Collusion Hoax

DOJ Employed ‘Reverse Spying’ in Attempt to Shut Down Investigation into Russia Collusion Hoax: Devin Nunes

Devin Nunes subpoenaed the DOJ and FBI for documents related to their involvement with the Russia collusion hoax when he was a congressman and chair of the House Intelligence Committee. In response, the DOJ engaged in “reverse spying” to try and stop the investigation, Nunes alleged in an interview that aired on Newsmakers by NTD and The Epoch Times on Dec. 21.

“It’s all common knowledge now that the FBI, DOJ, the Democrat National Party, they were all in cahoots together, taking made-up, phony dirt and taking it before a FISA court,” said Nunes, who was chair of the intelligence committee from 2015–2019.

But, at the time, the general public didn’t know about that collusion.

“At that time, nobody knew that publicly. We knew that. The FBI and the DOJ knew that we knew that. They knew that they were under investigation by [Nunes’ team]. So, what do they do? … They target my lawyers so they can try and figure out what we knew, when we knew it, and what we were going to do with the information.”

I almost didn't post this because I know it is hard to avoid discussing it without descending into political vitriol and generally triggering angst.

But I think there are several things about this tale which deserve examination, especially how this subject has been treated by an on-again-off-again journalistic effort, first to dissuade and deflect, and then to expose and focus.

It is sad, that the evidentiary nature of the laptop languished in the darkened realm of political inconveniences. It is sadder that the politically appointed leaders behaved like a cluster of high school thugs and bullies, protecting their 'buddies" from scrutiny when they were honor-bound to obey and serve the law. And it is tragic that the rank and file officers serving under them were mute while all this happened (they may have had little choice in the matter, but their silence about it now could be said to speak volumes.)

I don't lament the manner in which politicians behaved. They behaved as they always do, party first, optics second, and truth later, if convenient.

The author uses a term which baffles me.... "reverse spying"... it seems 'made-up' and weirdly obtuse. I think they should avoid this term. It can be nebulous and misunderstood. As verbs go, this is not direct enough to describe the sleazy nature of what is described.

I would assume both sides do this while in power.

Neither have our best interests at heart...

If Devin Nunes lips are moving, then you're hearing a lies.

“It’s all common knowledge now that the FBI, DOJ, the Democrat National Party, they were all in cahoots together

No, actually, it's not; though, it is a common accusation. Let me know when he provides proof; most likely in the year two thousand and never.

a reply to: WeDemBoyz

I am afraid that the proof you would require cannot exist. You seem to be wielding your incredulity to reject, not invite facts. There appears to be enough information available to merit discourse without abject dismissal out of hand.

These are not extraordinary accusations. Since the pendulum has clearly swung from the extreme of "Russia Russia Russia" to current state of affairs, you must be waiting for Hunter Biden to admit all the allegations against him. We know that probably won't happen. You may be waiting for the cabal of Anti-Trump operatives to all come clean about their machinations, but you know they won't. You might even expect the leaders of the campaign of misinformation to simply confess their agenda, but that won't happen either.

Pejoratively speaking, the objections against investigation are getting tiresome and seem like the impotent self-entitled whining over the matter.

How do officials at every level imaginable state unequivocally that this "Russian influence" charade was legitimate and provable, while actively suppressing similar evidence elsewhere (if not to the contrary?) It seems exceedingly disharmonious with reality. But, as I stated above, to some it will be more important to focus on the personalities, rather than the evidence.

Information doesn't hide. It is hidden. And this is an example of the outcome. Watch it develop, if you must. But decrying it as you do... seems uncooperative at best, abjectly partisan at worst. I expect that from politicians and traditional media. But I hope for better here.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
If Devin Nunes lips are moving, then you're hearing a lies.

“It’s all common knowledge now that the FBI, DOJ, the Democrat National Party, they were all in cahoots together

No, actually, it's not; though, it is a common accusation. Let me know when he provides proof; most likely in the year two thousand and never.

Soooooooo, you believe the Trump/Russia hoax was actually true?
Because the Democrats lips were moving while they were telling lies?

Controlled Opposition with Red Herrings thrown 20 yards off trail and 30 yards ahead on the trail. 😎

a reply to: Maxmars

I have stated this a few times, but each time something like this is discussed, I like to see if anyone can offer a valid answer.

Everything we know to be true in the laptop, verified by witness testimony, points to Biden selling his influence to China, Russia, and other nations, yet all the important groups seem just fine with this. Which can only mean one of two things, everyone does it, and it's no big deal, or there is a valid argument to be made that our entire leadership is corrupt to the point of needing replaced by force.

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Maxmars

I have stated this a few times, but each time something like this is discussed, I like to see if anyone can offer a valid answer.

Everything we know to be true in the laptop, verified by witness testimony, points to Biden selling his influence to China, Russia, and other nations, yet all the important groups seem just fine with this. Which can only mean one of two things, everyone does it, and it's no big deal, or there is a valid argument to be made that our entire leadership is corrupt to the point of needing replaced by force.

I wish I had the answer. I fear we might never know...

I think the first option is most likely. I think that the entire stable of political players are all trapped in a deep well of "I know what you did" games. No one can avoid the stink of corruption because one way or another they are all complicit. Frankly, I think most would never have gotten 'blessed to run for office' by a party without that leverage already being in place.

Then there is also the "The party is Mother, the party is Father" mentality. That's scarier than any corruption.

Add to that the presence of organized crime... and viola... political theater.

originally posted by: Maxmars

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Maxmars

I have stated this a few times, but each time something like this is discussed, I like to see if anyone can offer a valid answer.

Everything we know to be true in the laptop, verified by witness testimony, points to Biden selling his influence to China, Russia, and other nations, yet all the important groups seem just fine with this. Which can only mean one of two things, everyone does it, and it's no big deal, or there is a valid argument to be made that our entire leadership is corrupt to the point of needing replaced by force.

I wish I had the answer. I fear we might never know...

I think the first option is most likely. I think that the entire stable of political players are all trapped in a deep well of "I know what you did" games. No one can avoid the stink of corruption because one way or another they are all complicit. Frankly, I think most would never have gotten 'blessed to run for office' by a party without that leverage already being in place.

Then there is also the "The party is Mother, the party is Father" mentality. That's scarier than any corruption.

Add to that the presence of organized crime... and viola... political theater.

But when all that is truly realized, aren't we the true idiots allowing this to continue, while still claiming to give a flying fluck about the Constitution? So I swore to defend with my life, a joke, that's on me. I'm having a hard time reconciling all that.

a reply to: Maxmars

the only thing more vicious than a crazed baby-bashing
bloodthirsty , psychopathic serial killer is..........

A POLITICIAN TRYING TO SAVE HIS OWN ASS

a reply to: network dude

I find there to be something particular to those who can make an oath from the heart. I reject those who seem to portray that as some kind of mistake. I confess, I too made such an oath. I am not ashamed. I will never betray it, because I meant it. Which is probably why I may never fit the mold of conformity. But I say too much. And I accept it matters to no one other than me.

I would urge you to heed your heart above all else.
No need to reconcile a virtuous thing.
It speaks for itself, even when you are alone.


I think you probably know this already... but I can relate to the questioning... truly

Sadly the MSM Marxist media will memory hole this and it will propagate in right wing echo chambers and go nowhere like all twitter files right now. I am conservative but not optimistic at any real change happening unless the federal government gets its funding cut in half .

originally posted by: Maxmars
a reply to: network dude

I find there to be something particular to those who can make an oath from the heart. I reject those who seem to portray that as some kind of mistake. I confess, I too made such an oath. I am not ashamed. I will never betray it, because I meant it. Which is probably why I may never fit the mold of conformity. But I say too much. And I accept it matters to no one other than me.

I would urge you to heed your heart above all else.
No need to reconcile a virtuous thing.
It speaks for itself, even when you are alone.


I think you probably know this already... but I can relate to the questioning... truly

I believe in the Constitution, and anything that would ever be done would be in accordance with it. And with the majority. Anything else would look a lot like Jan 6. But as it stands, I'm grappling with the thought of if it's time we all put aside the differences, and talk at the adult table about the real problem here. If most think this is fine and we don't need to worry, I suppose I just need to fade away into the obscurity. But It sure looks like a problem from where I sit.

I'm not posting as some nutter going postal, I'm far to old and give out to be that much of a threat, but as I said, I need to know if it's time to have that talk.

a reply to: Brassmonkey

I think that what you describe has been the strategy up to this day. But whether by fortune or design, it hasn't worked out reasonably for the press. Today, more than ever in the US at least, more and more people are beginning to understand that the traditional media has been misrepresenting reality egregiously, completely abandoning the "free" in "free press," while maintaining they exemplified "journalistic integrity."

The aided and abetted something which can easily be characterized as at least fraud, and at worst, criminal behavior.

I don't know about their true ideological bent, I suspect that whatever it may be - it is just an excuse to be abusive.

a reply to: network dude

I think we understand one another, if you don't mind my saying so.

Jan 6th protest was executed by partisans, but the 'cause' wasn't partisan... that's where the trouble began. That problem wasn't about ideology, it's about the criminality of people who think constitutions and oaths are just words.

a reply to: WeDemBoyz

No, actually, it's not; though, it is a common accusation. Let me know when he provides proof; most likely in the year two thousand and never.

Yes, actually it is.

Mueller investigation, fake FISA warrants, manufactured evidence and the twitter files just to reference a few examples.

originally posted by: WeDemBoyz
If Devin Nunes lips are moving, then you're hearing a lies.

“It’s all common knowledge now that the FBI, DOJ, the Democrat National Party, they were all in cahoots together

No, actually, it's not; though, it is a common accusation. Let me know when he provides proof; most likely in the year two thousand and never.

There's more than enough documented evidence of this than there is that supports claims of man-made climate change.

Sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "na na na" is not going to make it any less true...

a reply to: Maxmars

I almost didn't post this because I know it is hard to avoid descending into political vitriol and generally triggering angst.

Fixed that for you.

It is sad, that the evidentiary nature of the laptop languished in the darkened realm of political inconveniences. It is sadder that the politically appointed leaders behaved like a cluster of high school thugs and bullies, protecting their 'buddies" from scrutiny when they were honor-bound to obey and serve the law. And it is tragic that the rank and file officers serving under them were mute while all this happened (they may have had little choice in the matter, but their silence about it now could be said to speak volumes.)

Yeah, the way it's sad that people who vape generally have a cranium full of the stuff, or the way it's sad that teenagers from single parent homes are exponentially more likely to go to prison.

I don't lament the manner in which politicians behaved. They behaved as they always do, party first, optics second, and truth later, if convenient.

Facts

The author uses a term which baffles me.... "reverse spying"... it seems 'made-up' and weirdly obtuse. I think they should avoid this term. It can be nebulous and misunderstood. As verbs go, this is not direct enough to describe the sleazy nature of what is described.

Indeed. Two wrongs don't make a right, but only because I started it, and technically what you're doing is trying to expose my crimes instead of violating my rights but we're too stupid to compose our own intelligent arguments so we're going to repurpose yours and pretend nobody can see us doing it.

Classic progressive narcissism.

originally posted by: Maxmars
a reply to: Brassmonkey

I think that what you describe has been the strategy up to this day. But whether by fortune or design, it hasn't worked out reasonably for the press. Today, more than ever in the US at least, more and more people are beginning to understand that the traditional media has been misrepresenting reality egregiously, completely abandoning the "free" in "free press," while maintaining they exemplified "journalistic integrity."

The aided and abetted something which can easily be characterized as at least fraud, and at worst, criminal behavior.

I don't know about their true ideological bent, I suspect that whatever it may be - it is just an excuse to be abusive.

Great analysis of the media. Having worked in the DC area my whole life and lived in Arlington, VA years I can attest that nothing will change in the government until the people or congress gets rid of what I call the “The administrative state “ or the 5th column of government. I worked with over 40 government agencies under OPM oversight for 7 years and it’s the GS-14,GS-15 SES(Senior executive service) who REALLY runs the government. Presidents and congressman can come and go but these people are LIFERS. They bend ideologically towards the left and congress has delegated all authority to these people. It is now more lucrative to work for the federal government then the private sector. Your average GS13-GS-15 now makes 160k a year. SES level political appointees makes $250k and above.

These are the people that make the regulations, policies and rules. Congress has acquiesced all power to them.
They are the hidden government and can’t be fired or voted out.

a reply to: Brassmonkey

But who is the oversight committee for GS13-15? I assume there's some manner of executive department who liaisons between actual congress appointees and the mid tier desk jockeys?