Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

Why did you not think the tall guy was God?

I questioned it -- just wasn't.

I believe in dimensional beings as well as off-planet-beings.

I view them as I would anthropologists.

I do not believe in a supreme being.

But you were only 5/6 yrs old at the time, when did you decide it was spiritual and not the 'all' projected in human form to tell you something you needed to learn/know? We are all just trying to figure out our own particular experiences on world and off world (NDE, OBE, God, nothingness) so there is no reason for others to demean you or anyone else on this subject.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

Why did you not think the tall guy was God?

I questioned it -- just wasn't.

I believe in dimensional beings as well as off-planet-beings.

I view them as I would anthropologists.

I do not believe in a supreme being.

But you were only 5/6 yrs old at the time, when did you decide it was spiritual and not the 'all' projected in human form to tell you something you needed to learn/know?

Well, 5/6 this go 'round.

He did tell me something I needed to learn. We were in the "gray place" (lower dimension). He was in physical body.

He said I was trying to live in 2 worlds -- the physical and spiritual. That it was confusing me. And I had to stay in the physical world.

This is just one experience. I had them all the time -- still do.

a reply to: Annee

I get you, I too can jump between the two but to a higher dimension, not so much. So here we are then, is this spiritual jumping the spirit/soul or physical consciousness or both?

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I get you, I too can jump between the two but to a higher dimension, not so much. So here we are then, is this spiritual jumping the spirit/soul or physical consciousness or both?

Right

I don't really think about it or do anything to enhance it.

I can tell when I'm "on center" or straying and need to get back.

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So, anyway -- I believe everything is energy. Energy evolved to have consciousness. Physical is a manifestation of energy.

OP: Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone
a reply to: Annee

I get you, I too can jump between the two but to a higher dimension, not so much. So here we are then, is this spiritual jumping the spirit/soul or physical consciousness or both?

Right

I don't really think about it or do anything to enhance it.

I can tell when I'm "on center" or straying and need to get back.

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So, anyway -- I believe everything is energy. Energy evolved to have consciousness. Physical is a manifestation of energy.

OP: Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

I get it. We need to get back to the physical for a reason.

a reply to: TheRedneck

This aligns with my understanding,

Though, I think it is more accurately "Pain and Love"

Pain is anything withheld or resisted
Love is anything allowed or permitted

These two align with physical concepts such as opposing forces, as well as attraction and repulsion

a reply to: TheRedneck

Most mature Christians have been through one. It's where you have to discover how faith fits your world. If you can't make it, then you become Annee.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheRedneck

Most mature Christians have been through one. It's where you have to discover how faith fits your world. If you can't make it, then you become Annee.

Cheap shot at Annee, just saying. And I am one as well, not everyone programmed in a certain faith can find a suitable fit in this world. Some people denounce their faith, change faith, study their faith endlessly (me) to find true meaning, or simply find all faiths to be a programming mechanism for control.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheRedneck

Most mature Christians have been through one. It's where you have to discover how faith fits your world. If you can't make it, then you become Annee.

Cheap shot at Annee, just saying. And I am one as well, not everyone programmed in a certain faith can find a suitable fit in this world. Some people denounce their faith, change faith, study their faith endlessly (me) to find true meaning, or simply find all faiths to be a programming mechanism for control.

Yes. I tend to simplify.

The real journey was more complex.

a reply to: quintessentone

Yes and no. I've known quite a few atheists, and even they mature like Christians do, but the ones that don't behave a certain way. The ones Annee rails against on the Christian side? They also lack maturity in their faith. It's a certain behavioral thing.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: quintessentone

Yes and no. I've known quite a few atheists, and even they mature like Christians do, but the ones that don't behave a certain way. The ones Annee rails against on the Christian side? They also lack maturity in their faith. It's a certain behavioral thing.

I was 71 when I completely stepped out of the "god circle".

Must have been immature.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheRedneck

Most mature Christians have been through one. It's where you have to discover how faith fits your world. If you can't make it, then you become Annee.

Cheap shot at Annee, just saying. And I am one as well, not everyone programmed in a certain faith can find a suitable fit in this world. Some people denounce their faith, change faith, study their faith endlessly (me) to find true meaning, or simply find all faiths to be a programming mechanism for control.

Yes. I tend to simplify.

The real journey was more complex.

I can imagine that it was very complex. Mine has been going on for, well it will be 60 years in the new year, so something keeps me in the God circle, but it's not the programming from the church, I can tell you that with surety.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: TheRedneck

Most mature Christians have been through one. It's where you have to discover how faith fits your world. If you can't make it, then you become Annee.

Cheap shot at Annee, just saying. And I am one as well, not everyone programmed in a certain faith can find a suitable fit in this world. Some people denounce their faith, change faith, study their faith endlessly (me) to find true meaning, or simply find all faiths to be a programming mechanism for control.

Yes. I tend to simplify.

The real journey was more complex.

I can imagine that it was very complex. Mine has been going on for, well it will be 60 years in the new year, so something keeps me in the God circle, but it's not the programming from the church, I can tell you that with surety.

It just made no sense to me.

My epiphany immediately after I stepped completely out of the "God Circle" was I am responsible for me.

Atheists live now.

Religious live for death and judgement.

I like this video. It's actually new to me. NO - it had nothing to do with me becoming atheist. But it is straight forward and logical.

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MY LAST POST ON ATHEISM

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OP: Physicist Claims To Have Solved the Mystery of Consciousness

a reply to: Annee

From OP's original post we read the opinions of a physicist and a philosopher, well now how about religious consciousness? Consciousness can flow into all the disciplines. BTW, interesting video Annee.

What is consciousness in religion?
Religious consciousness is an awareness of God and of others in God. It is first and foremost an awareness of God. It is not a feeling - though it may be accompanied by feelings. It is not a thought - though it is conscious and may be thought about.

Often when philosophers come to deal with religion they reduce it to something other than it is, usually as Schleiermacher says, to metaphysics and morals. They ignore the fact that religion belongs to a different level of consciousness as both Schleiermacher, Otto and indeed Scheler have shown.

Empirical consciousness is the awareness immanent in the act of experiencing, the non-positional consciousness immanent in experience.

Experience is one's mere presence to the world, what might be called in other philosophies perception, provided that this contains no overtones of enquiry.

Intelligent consciousness is the non-positional consciousness immanent in the effort to understand the data of experience.

Understanding is the process that moves from enquiry into the data of experience to the act of insight in which one grasps just what it is one has been present to. The process culminates in the act of insight or understanding.

Reflective consciousness is the non-positional consciousness immanent in the activity of which culminates in the act of judgement.

Judgement is the process in which one moves from the act of understanding to a reflection upon the content of the act of understanding,( i.e. on what claims to have been understood), in order to ascertain whether it has been understood correctly. The act of judgement which terminates the process, is the conclusion to that reflection. The answer arrived at in the act of understanding is judged to be correct or incorrect.

Deliberative consciousness is the non-positional consciousness immanent in the move from thought to action.

Deliberation is the process of reflection which asks whether anything is to be done? what is to be done? and whether that is to be done? It culminates in the act of choice.
These four acts, and the level of consciousness immanent in them, Lonergan claims, are foundational to all human consciousness.

www.minerva.mic.ul.ie...

It's really not that long a read.

And I am sure the physicist and philosopher didn't take into account all the other forms of consciousness.

a reply to: Annee

Religious live for death and judgement.

No, they don't... I don't. I live for God. God is here right now.

That is an oversimplification by those who do not understand the faith. One can attend a church every time the doors are unlocked, pray every day, say "grace" (which is in itself a misnomer... it's actually giving thanks), and quote the Bible verse for verse and still not be a true Christian.

I really don't intend to turn this into a religious thread, but understand that saying things like "Religious live for death and judgement" is quite offensive to those of us who take our relationship with God seriously. I have tried desperately to not insult your beliefs in this thread; I would appreciate it if you returned the favor and at least tried to not insult mine.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Annee

Religious live for death and judgement.

No, they don't... I don't. I live for God. God is here right now.

Exactly!!! Do you even realize what you're saying?

It was the very first thing that hit me the minute I stepped completely out of the "God Circle".

"I am responsible for me" -- "I live for me" -- no go to guy -- no excuses.

Do good because it's the right thing to do.

Not to be judged if you did enough for a reward after you die.

a reply to: quintessentone

It's late.

That's too much for me right now. See you tomorrow.

a reply to: Annee

It was the very first thing that hit me the minute I stepped completely out of the "God Circle".

"I am responsible for me" -- "I live for me" -- no go to guy -- no excuses.

If you think true Christians do bad things and use God as some sort of excuse to wrong others, you obviously have never been a Christian. You may have used the title, been brought up in a Christian home, gone to a church faithfully, even prayed fervently... but that is not the core of Christianity. Jesus does not hand out alumni exemptions, He does not live in a building with a steeple, and God cannot hear the prayers of an unclothed sinner. That's all just show and fluff.

All rights are a two-edged sword. The back edge of freedom of religion is that anyone can call themselves anything. But if you never had that personal relationship, you were never a part of Jesus' Church and you cannot understand what it is you are missing. The ability to make a statement like the one you just made above tells me that you never had that relationship.

I can call myself an eagle... but if I jump off a cliff I won't fly.

Do good because it's the right thing to do.

You're gonna have to define "good." I know from previous conversations we seem to have completely different ideas about what is "good" and "bad."

TheRedneck

a reply to: Annee

It's not a physical thing.

Annee, I have never cared that you are an atheist just like I don't care that Klassified is. However the difference in maturity level between the two of you is vast. He knows thoroughly who and what he is and does not need to deride yhe faiths of others as a result. You? Not so much.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Uh, yeah -- gotta love the term 'TRUE" Christian

I'll take a Good Person -- doing Good -- just for the sake of doing Good.