Scot left unable to stand after Covid vaccine reaction raising money for stem cell treatment

a reply to: chr0naut

LOL the way you people contort to make sense of the truth

a reply to: Itisnowagain

So please tell me how immediate his symptoms came on then as you seem to know? 5 minutes after or 5 days after? How immediate is immediate?
From the article posted..

"He soon after started experiencing nausea and retching and lost 15kg in little over three weeks. His heart rate was doubling on standing and he was unable to walk/stand or sit. "

So when was it, because they also use the term "soon"?

a reply to: Kurokage
Immediately.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Kurokage
Immediately.

So in other words, you don't know other than the broad term immediately...

a reply to: Kurokage

The family say immediately, but is that 5 minutes, 5 hours, 5 days or 5 weeks?
You seem to enjoy making assumptions of unkowns and claiming them as facts.

Educate me.

How long is immediately?

I don’t know how to put this but me personally I don’t feel the need to help Covid vaccination victims. This was never a good idea from the beginning. Taking it probably proves your death was needed. I’m worried about what those that didn’t take it will have to go through because these people took it.

What should you do when people are actively trying to kill you?

a reply to: Kurokage


Please stop defending Pfizer and stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denying the truth.

I think you are aware of what the serious adverse reactions are and no need to try to downplay the issue.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Kurokage

The family say immediately, but is that 5 minutes, 5 hours, 5 days or 5 weeks?
You seem to enjoy making assumptions of unkowns and claiming them as facts.

Educate me.

How long is immediately?

In the absence of reasonable arguments the conversation comes down to defining basic concepts as the other member doesn't want to accept that the most plausible explanation for the symptoms John Watts experienced is the vaccine.

Vaccine apology and denialism of reality.

a reply to: Asmodeus3
Maybe if they were not fed they would stop.
But then the threads would be really short...lol.

originally posted by: Asmodeus3
a reply to: Kurokage


Please stop defending Pfizer and stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denying the truth.

I think you are aware of what the serious adverse reactions are and no need to try to downplay the issue.

So after waiting for you to post my defences of Pfizer from any thread you post nothing! You really are in denial.

Maybe try researching POTS, theres lots of sites out there?
mvec.mcri.edu.au...

There has not been an established link between COVID-19 vaccines and an increased risk of developing POTS. In fact, there have been reports of POTS developing after COVID-19 infection and POTS has been recognised as a post-covid condition (colloquially known as long COVID). Therefore being vaccinated against COVID-19 is recommended for individuals concerned about developing this condition.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

Conclusions: POTS can follow COVID-19 in previously healthy patients. Appropriate diagnostic investigations and therapies are necessary to identify and treat autonomic dysfunction after COVID-19.

meassociation.org.uk...

This new paper from an American research group provides further evidence of dysfunction of the autonomic nervous system (ANS) in Long Covid – in particular, the presence of Postural Orthostatic Tachycardia Syndrome (PoTS) in a significant proportion of people with Long Covid

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Maybe if they were not fed they would stop.
But then the threads would be really short...lol.

And if anti-vaxxers weren't in stuck in denial we wouldn't have all these crazy threads posted on a daily basis...

a reply to: Kurokage
Can you link where it states that John Watts had covid?
I must have missed it when reading and viewing about it online.

You aren't making assumptions are you?

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Asmodeus3
Maybe if they were not fed they would stop.
But then the threads would be really short...lol.

Yes it is true that if these accounts were not around making a range of absurd and unsubstantiated claims then the threads would have been shorter but on the other hand the quality conversations would have been much better.

Imagine that there isn't much to debate and the debate comes down to what 'immediately' means.
Inability to accept that the symptoms started immediately after John Watts received his booster vaccine.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: Kurokage
Can you link where it states that John Watts had covid?
I must have missed it.

There is nothing there. They just speculate as they can't accept vaccines can cause serious adverse reactions.

Naaaah!! He isn't making assumptions but asks others not to make theirs.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

You might want to go over the link I posted from the NHS about POTS, so no, im not making assumptions here!!..
Hows that 40% deaths of the worlds population going?

I posted this to show that other causes of POTS and not just covid.

Some of the other known causes are:

hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos syndrome
other underlying conditions – such as diabetes, amyloidosis, sarcoidosis, lupus, Sjögren's syndrome or cancer
poisoning – with alcohol or certain metals
inheriting a faulty gene that causes too much of the "fight or flight" hormone noradrenaline to be produced
PoTS also happens quite commonly alongside chronic fatigue syndrome.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Itisnowagain

You might want to go over the link I posted from the NHS about POTS, so no, im not making assumptions here!!..
Hows that 40% deaths of the worlds population going?

I posted this to show that other causes of POTS and not just covid.

Some of the other known causes are:

hypermobile Ehlers-Danlos syndrome
other underlying conditions – such as diabetes, amyloidosis, sarcoidosis, lupus, Sjögren's syndrome or cancer
poisoning – with alcohol or certain metals
inheriting a faulty gene that causes too much of the "fight or flight" hormone noradrenaline to be produced
PoTS also happens quite commonly alongside chronic fatigue syndrome.

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Strawman arguments for once more.
Remember John Watts developed the symptoms immediately after he received his booster.

Now if you are in a denial and want to engage in vaccine apologetics you can do so forever.

But the reality is different.

a reply to: Asmodeus3

Strawman arguments for once more.
Remember John Watts developed the symptoms immediately after he received his booster.

Now if you are in a denial and want to engage in vaccine apologetics you can do so forever.

But the reality is different.

Its you posting strawman arguments here.
The time he started suffering from "POTS" isn't known, and words like soon and immediate are used but no timne frame is given. So he could of suffered from any number of the causes I posted, thats the reality.

originally posted by: Kurokage
a reply to: Asmodeus3

Strawman arguments for once more.
Remember John Watts developed the symptoms immediately after he received his booster.

Now if you are in a denial and want to engage in vaccine apologetics you can do so forever.

But the reality is different.

Its you posting strawman arguments here.
The time he started suffering from "POTS" isn't known, and words like soon and immediate are used but no timne frame is given. So he could of suffered from any number of the causes I posted, thats the reality.

Read the article first and stop engaging in vaccine apologetics and denialism of reality. Imagine how desperate the arguments have become?! You are not trying to debate the words 'soon' and 'immediately'.

It's most likely he is the victim of an mRNA vaccine.

Still defending Pfizer,?

a reply to: Itisnowagain

In a few words, you can't take their arguments very seriously when there is so much denialism of reality and vaccine apologetics. They seem to have been emotionally invested in these products.

If they can't accept the most plausible explanation is vaccine injuries.