Long Covid. EBV reactivation. Sudden shingles or Cold sores. WTF.

No matter what you call it, there seems to be a huge number of healthy people who are getting what is being called "long covid".
Often those with little to no symptoms from the actual SARS2 virus, these people have lost their quality of life.
For some, it is many months.

From experience of myself and others, there is little MSM is doing, and in some cases it is being said these people are not even really sick.
Like they used to say about people with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

My good friend went through this, and is mostly recovered.
She recommended looking into a chap called GEZ MEDINZER. He has vids and a new book about long covid.
Others have tried the Zelenko protocol.
Anti-histamines are being used with various amounts of success. But not all formulas work for everyone.

I am hoping that with this thread, others will add their experiences and knowledge so that ATS can have some sort of source to guide those who may have this bizarre and debilitating illness.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Thanks for this thread DTOM. You know from our end as responders? After awhile? These "symptoms" become just that. Can be anything.

So, Im suggesting chills, fever, cough, shakings, sneezing, coughing, dizziness, palpitations...on and on forever...can be any # of things.

This being said in acknowledgment to your point here? Take away the names: flu, L.T. Covid, Pneumonia, cold, virus...and the symptoms you (and yes, I too w L.C. its seems)...they can be so many things....yet here we are.

A real issue to follow here, and thanks again for starting the discussion.*

*DTOM, as usual best to you n fam...MS

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

Adding to the above? The cyclical and repetitive nature of colds and such...makes us miss the true nature of transitional things.

God Bless

I recently had a visit with my GP for a problem with my foot. He asked if I was injected and I said that I wasn't. He respected that. Then he asked if I'd had the bug. I said that in January of 2020 - before the big hullabaloo started - I came down with somehting pretty severe. He (along with another physician friend) figures I likely was an early adopter.

Funny thing was, he asked if I'd lost my sense of smell. I really don't remember if I did, but somehow that's supposed to be the definitive symptom.

Problem is that I remember when I was ust a kid (many, many moons ago), asking my mother why I couldn't taste stuff when I had a bad cold. The answer is (always has been) because I'd lost my sense of smell. The sense of taste is largely dependent on smell. Losing my sense of smell has always been a result of a bad cold or flu. Somehow, now that's become a unique symptom of a terrible disease, like nobody ever lost their sense of smell from a bad respiratory infection before the dreaded COVID!

Yeah, right ...

As I've said here before, though, maybe COVID was the best thing that ever happenedty to humanity. During the initial year or two, it wiped out deaths from cancer, flue, even auto accidents. Seems COVID cured every other malady known to mankind.
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a reply to: incoserv

I lost my sense of taste from pregnancy.

And, like you, we all had something really bad right before COVID became a buzz in China. It had all the symptoms, but we figured it was just nasty flu.

I have yet to get COVID.

a reply to: ketsuko

Well, I don't know if I had it or not. Not even sure if I'm on the fence as to whether it really even exists. But when the dire talk about how dangerous it is comes up, I gladly wear it as a badge of pride. "Hey, I survived it without even knowing what it was."

I figure if I have (now) two doctors giving me a post-infection diagnosis, I'm good to brag on it.

a reply to: incoserv

There's something going around this area right now that doesn't go down in your lungs, just inflames the upper part of your bronchial tubes enough that you get bronchitis from it. It doesn't test positive for COVID because everyone, including myself, who has had it tests over and over and consistently comes up negative. Your lungs will sound clear to any doctor, but you can't breathe and any little thing that causes you to draw a deep breath will set you off with a coughing fit. You may or may not cough up a gob of crud with it.

It's nasty because that's the only symptom - no fever, no chills, no nasal congestion ... So you really can't tell if you're actually sick or not because it's off and on how much you can or can't breathe. I fought it for three weeks before hitting the doctor, and there's a gal in our training group fighting it now and she sounds exactly like I did.

I *finally* stopped coughing all the time.

a reply to: ketsuko

I am currently suffering from something very like that, but I do have nasal congestiona and phlem. I'm on the mend now. Was on my back three days ago. Up and about now, buy the difficulty in breathing comes and goes.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

It's causing a new autoimmune disorder. I am going on the assumption that it is from the virus and not the vaccines because it was already prevalent before the vaccines rolled out.

I will gather some information and make a thread on this for you. I do have a couple of other threads in the works still, but I needed to step away for a bit because it became a little overwhelming trying to condense a large amount of information into something more manageable to read.

a reply to: ketsuko

Crazy cause I have exactly that right now...had it for 2 days now. Throat is sore when you cough and sometimes you get flem...but I also had bad body aches for 2 days. Today I am feeling a bit better and just a few hours ago started pouring sweat so if I did have a slight fever it just broke. I am betting I wake up tomorrow feeling fine.

a reply to: tamusan

I still cant smell from my first case of covid dec. 2019. I had a lot of crazy symptoms for months after that first case but after the second time I had nothing weird...aside from smell being way off still.

a reply to: DontTreadOnMe

I am hoping that with this thread, others will add their experiences and knowledge so that ATS can have some sort of source to guide those who may have this bizarre and debilitating illness.

Personally, nothing from the vax, never had covid but my GF had a day of constant coughing and upper raspatory distress. Took her to ER and they put her in the hospital for 5 days. They said it wasn't covid. Heavy antibiotics seems to have done the trick and brought her back from a very scary medical occurrence.

a reply to: RickyD
a reply to: ketsuko

What I'm seeing is many cases of RSV and frequently with pneumonia. It is more prevalent right now than covid and the flu combined.

a reply to: tamusan
...... and a lot of them are bacterial I'm willing to bet.
Rainbows
Jane

originally posted by: angelchemuel
a reply to: tamusan
...... and a lot of them are bacterial I'm willing to bet.
Rainbows
Jane

There is supposed to be a nasty bacterial infection floating around that gets in your gut and then migrates to your lungs. Anti-biotic resistant

a reply to: mysterioustranger

With all due respect to your knowledge and service int he field, this is more than that.

And "long covid " is a bit of a misnomer as other illnesses could do similar things to the body after the acute infection is gone.
But the SARS2 virus seems to do this more than other pathogens.

"If you have fewer T cells, it can be more difficult to control these viruses," Robinson said. "We know that during COVID-19, our level of T cells is reduced significantly and our ability to fight these Herpesviruses if they become more active may be impaired."

In other words, when COVID gets into the body it depletes our T cells, which can allow for reactivation of a herpes virus during the acute phase of a COVID infection.

Epstein-Barr virus reactivation may contribute to long COVID fatigue

And it is not just EBV. I know people who got shingles after Covid.
Me personally: I have gotten cold sores three times this year. For the first time in 60+ years.....never had one before, even though my mother and one sister got them all the time when I was growing up.

This fatigue is like nothing you have ever seen, I am willing to bet.
I know THREE people IRL with this fatigue. Two mostly recovered. One was a 40 year old mother of three who pretty much had to crawl up the stairs in her home.
Itchy skin comes and goes. Poor appetite. Air hunger---had to look it up, but yes, a real thing. Profound fatigue that gets better as the day progresses. Very minor fever from time to time. Other symptoms can happen.

These days, some people are testing with high levels of EBV in their systems. So, not a garden variety illness.

a reply to: tamusan

What I have read is that EBV can become chronic, and I guess at that point it is an autoimmune thing?

I do know that, for example, gluten intolerance can become celiac, which is autoimmune.

We really know so little about so much of what our bodies do.
All the more reason it is not nice to GOF viruses.

Some background:
Long COVID: Epstein-Barr virus may offer clues
Epstein-Barr may play a role in some long COVID; coronavirus can impair blood sugar processing by organs
EBV DNA increase in COVID-19 patients with impaired lymphocyte subpopulation count this one is way over my head lol
Major Long COVID Study Brings Autoantibodies and Epstein-Barr Virus to the Fore
The Coronavirus, Epstein-Barr Virus and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS)

And since this "long covid" is possibly EBV...a scary study:
Study identifies how Epstein-Barr virus triggers multiple sclerosis

a reply to: RickyD

Damn!
Three years.

I keep reading about all of this.
And I keep SMH.

a reply to: olaru12

I had a very bad cough, started as laryngitis. Lots of nasal drainage.
BAD cough.
Almost went to pneumonia...thankfully I had gone to the doctor finally.
Glad she's better, olaru.

a reply to: putnam6

Is that "normal"????
Going from digestion to the lungs?