New leads in the Frederick Valentich alien abduction case

a reply to: [Ophiuchus & mirageman1


We have in our midst a member who has experience as both a Radar Operator and a Jet Pilot.

"I find it interesting to read that people are so easily convinced that a pilot can land an airplane completely unnoticed.
It shows that they are just talking bull# because they absolutely have no idea how it works in aviation.

What we have read are the reports of Melbourne Flight Service. What we have not seen and shall never see are the radar plots of the Australian Airforce.

The moment an aircraft, helicopter or even a balloon lifts off an airfield, it is ALWAYS tracked simultaneously by civil- and military radar stations.

Australia, like any other country in the world, has a radar air defense. These are mostly "camouflaged" radar stations in a more or less remote area, along the coast and spread all over the country
and they perform air surveillance 365 and 24/7.

Two military divisions are constantly watching the sky: Military Air Traffic Control Centres and Control and Reporting Centres, which is the air defense.
Besides that the Australian Navy and Coast Guard also sweep the sky for any surface contact or (low) flying aircraft or helicopter 365 and 24/7.

To land completely unnoticed is not that easy as one may think."

a reply to: A51Watcher

We have in our midst a member who has experience as both a Radar Operator and a Jet Pilot. "I find it interesting to read that people are so easily convinced that a pilot can land an airplane completely unnoticed. It shows that they are just talking bull# because they absolutely have no idea how it works in aviation.

It's always good when a pilot talks pilot things. I do agree that it would be difficult, if nigh on impossible, for Fred to land somewhere and then just disappear, even in 1978.

But what you're missing is how Fred 'may' have been thinking. Fred was still young, fairly inexperienced and already had received censure for flying into a cloud and a restricted military zone. He may have not considered the things a more experienced pilot would.

The Official Accident Investigation Report actually considered that Fred may have planned to disappear via two methods

* Controlled Landing on the Sea

* Successful Landing Elsewhere – Surmising that Valentich may have fabricated his whereabouts.





So not bull#!!!!

Even though I don't think he could have pulled it off. He might have thought he could. But we don't know. It's still a mystery.

Since no one really knows what happened to Fred (accept for probably indigenous islanders which is not out of the realm of possibility)….and so many believe that Fred and his airplane was abducted by Aliens…..I submit that I may have found Fred’s inspiration for hoaxing his own Alien abduction.

We already read aspects of Young Fred’s personal life, UFO interests and fears, failures and antics.

If Fred had a deep interest in UFO’s ….then it is likely he watched old UFO related movies (like I do) including those of the 1950’s. A very popular movie from that time was made in 1955 titled “This Island Earth” ….. if you have not seen the colorized version of this movie…..I suggest viewing it.

There is as scene in the movie where a small plane and it’s occupants all get “Abducted” by a flying saucer.

IF ….Fred seen this movie and that scene ….he may have used elements of that scene, in his own mind, to plan his abduction hoax.

Remember….Fred in his communications stated ……”What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.”……

In all seriousness……does not what he says looks like, in part hypothesis like this short snippet of the movie?

Look closely at the craft underside opening to see an entire plane being abducted.



This small snippet above (ATS gif limit 2mb) doesn’t do it complete justice… the entire scene from the movie should be seen.

Below the green light shining in the cockpit as they are being pulled into the flying saucer….……and the abductee’s onboard the craft



Why could Fred, have not gotten inspiration from that scene as a possibility for a plan to disappear, if there might have been a remote possibility he saw the movie….being a UFO enthusiast?

It should seriously be considered that Fred perpetrated a hoax….whether he lived or died while executing his hoax, is the question.

Movies have a way of inspiring people to act out in real life.

Still, I lean on my hypothesis, for now, that he followed through on his hoax of being “abducted” to include his entire plane, as opposed to most folks here that thinks it truly happened as a UFO abduction event …… I just feel he did it to escape the life he had then.


Perhaps…..one day…..a person like a Josh Gates…will assemble a team and try to solve his “abduction” disappearance using technology for searching not available at the time of the original search and rescue. Today, for land searching there’s LIDAR and for water, Side-Scan Sonar….

It may turn out, while interviewing islanders, that it will be discovered he eventually had a family with children and now grandchildren of the indigenous island natives who helped keep him secluded for the rest of his life.

It’s anybody’s guess as to what happened to Fred…….I’m just suggesting a possibility of Fred’s inspiration.

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@ Ophiuchus1 and mirageman

The fact that valentich landed the plane is pure speculation. That he faked his death is also speculation. There is neither visible nor audible evidence for that claim.
When you listen carefully to the recording AND not blindly accept the transcription, you will notice that the transcription and the original audio Do NOT match.

Ophiuchus1:

Remember….Fred in his communications stated ……

”What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.”……

Actually he never said this. You and everyone have been misled by the wrong official transcription which is just guess work.

Because what he says is this: (Made audible by slowing down the audio and denoising)

1. It seems they ... they play some sort of game. (they = plural)
2. It seems like it's chasing me.
3. What IT'S doing right now is orbiting.
4. The thing is just orbiting on top of my aircraft.
5. It's got a green light and sort of metallic shine.
6. Sprawling tinies on the inside.
7. It is hovering and it is not an aircraft. (Listen to the soft humming sound)

In other words Fredrerick Valentich was NOT orbiting but the unknown object was and he reported that there was activity inside the UAP.

Please stick to the facts. All we know from the final conversation with Melbourne Flight Service is that his plane was stalling.
We do not know why. Perhaps there was an aircraft on top of him or something else. We can only guess, however there is no public
information available that could explain his disappearance and there is no evidence that this was a pilot error either.
The only thing we are left with is a weird garbled audio fragment and for your information, the frequencies in the garbled audio are too high to be of a buffeting airplane.

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See attached video.





With best regards,

Sander

And then there is this:

www.planeandpilotmag.com...


The following morning, a farmer in Cape Otway, an area along the edge of Valentich’s flight path, observed a flying object hovering over his property. The object was approximately 30 meters across, and it appeared to have a small airplane attached to its side. According to the farmer, the attached aircraft was leaking oil. He so disturbed by what he saw that he etched the aircraft’s tail number into one of his tractors so he wouldn’t forget it. The number matched Valentich’s Cessna.

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Although, as the article says, no one really knows where that story came from and the report came 36 years after.

Who knows

a reply to: A51Watcher

OK…….so I copied this from the transcript that MM posted on the previous page to use as an example…..


….”What I'm doing right now is orbiting and the thing is just orbiting on top of me also. It's got a green light and sort of metallic like, it's all shiny on the outside.”……

You write the following…

…..”Actually he never said this. You and everyone have been misled by the wrong official transcription which is just guess work.

Because what he says is this: (Made audible by slowing down the audio and denoising)

1. It seems they ... they play some sort of game. (they = plural)
2. It seems like it's chasing me.
3. What IT'S doing right now is orbiting.
4. The thing is just orbiting on top of my aircraft.
5. It's got a green light and sort of metallic shine.
6. Sprawling tinies on the inside.
7. It is hovering and it is not an aircraft. (Listen to the soft humming sound) “……

So if you wrote the above as the official transcription……OK….so be it, let’s say.

What’s the difference with the bolded text?? it still has the same meanings and makes the same points of my Fred the abduction hoaxer hypothesis by him using possible elements from an old UFO movie as his inspiration to disappear himself….imo.





If anything….Thanx for your correcting the transcription ….it still means the same to me.

Somewhat splitting hairs on the text but for corrections sake….that’s OK……perhaps MM supplied a transcript from the end of a telephone game….😆 or for the sake of The Gist….

Either way…we can all agree Fred hasn’t been seen….

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a reply to: Dimensionalcowboy

youtu.be...

Description of said witness testimony.
On mobile so can’t embed.

originally posted by: Dimensionalcowboy
And then there is this:

www.planeandpilotmag.com...


The following morning, a farmer in Cape Otway, an area along the edge of Valentich’s flight path, observed a flying object hovering over his property. The object was approximately 30 meters across, and it appeared to have a small airplane attached to its side. According to the farmer, the attached aircraft was leaking oil. He so disturbed by what he saw that he etched the aircraft’s tail number into one of his tractors so he wouldn’t forget it. The number matched Valentich’s Cessna.

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Although, as the article says, no one really knows where that story came from and the report came 36 years after.

Who knows

Did the farmer preserve his etching/scratching …..or take a picture of the etching/scratching so that he would know enough about the incident to match the numbers. Surely the process of matching would have involved other people. Did he have people of law enforcement or aeronautical officials help with the matching of the numbers?

……”etched the aircraft’s tail number into one of his tractors so he wouldn’t forget it. The number matched Valentich’s Cessna”…..

Jus curious…

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a reply to: Dimensionalcowboy

Why isn’t the farmer telling his story? Apparently he knows about aircraft but yet not the one speaking……..hmmmmm suspect to say the least……imo

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

The same meaning? Are you kidding?

A good researcher checks his sources and verifies if the information is correct before he uploads something. You simply copy what others write.

You wrote: ….”What I'm doing right now is orbiting ... which we know is not right.
What he said: What ITS doing right now is orbiting.

That is a huge difference.

a reply to: A51Watcher

I see……..

No need to banter this further……as I mentioned….thanks for your correction.

Moving forward…..perhaps someone will make a full length movie about him. I see potential in the direction the script writing might take.

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a reply to: A51Watcher

The fact that valentich landed the plane is pure speculation. That he faked his death is also speculation. There is neither visible nor audible evidence for that claim.

My point is different from that of Ophi.

This isn't about evidence of Fred actually landing a plane and vanishing. It's what might have been going through his mind leading up to his disappearance.

There is evidence Fred had lied about passing his pilot exams, flouted flying regulations, and on the night of his disappearance he'd lied again about his intentions. (He was neither collecting crayfish nor friends from King Island, and had not even arranged for the aerodrome lights when flying in darkness).

So, speculation? Yes, because Fred vanished without a trace. But, it was based on deductive reasoning and duly recorded in the Accident Investigation Report as a possibility. Not necessarily that Fred had managed to land the plane and/or fake his own death. But that this might have been something he was contemplating and led to a fatal accident.

a reply to: A51Watcher

The Accident Investigation team should have had access to the original tapes of Valentich's radio conversation. ALL of the transcriptions claim Valentich says "...I'm orbiting" or "...what I'm doing now is orbiting"



However I agree with Richard Haines corrected assessment that where the transcripts mention him saying the object is stationary, Fred actually says "chasing me"..

I don't think it's 100% clear that Valentich says "it's orbiting" rather than "I'm orbiting". The audio is too garbled and polluted by background noises. But I'd say it's more likely.

a reply to: Ophiuchus1


Do you really believe that our audio analysis is wrong and that Mr. Haines and the investigators had access to the same kind of audio software we use?
That we do not know the difference between IT'S and I'M?

Have you ever tried to analyze the audio yourself and compared it with the transcription?

No. This is how a textbook debunker works, according Dr. Bruce Maccabee. (U.S. Navy, optical physicist)

The first rule of debunking: Any explanation is better than none.

The second rule of debunking: If the first explanation does not seem to make any sense than try another explanation.

I would like add a third rule: If the first two rules do not have the desired result, create your own theory and use lots of irrelevant information, in order to distract from the fact that you lack the required expertise.

This is a very educational video, you should watch it:



Sander



An audio specialist has taken an interest in this case and is working on the sparse 30 second clip we have.

As noted by the announcer in the video Karl shared there was a full 7 minute conversation Fred had with Air Control.

That of course is under lock and key, which is a shame because that would give us many more details to work with.

here is another clip with a creepy humming that can be heard -

a reply to: A51Watcher

I think your post is mis directed to me ….. my only hypothesis in this whole thing is that, imo… I think He hoaxed his death….possibly using elements of an old sci-fi movie.

The question of the technicalities of the radio communications was emphasized by MM and his findings and assertions.

I don’t have a clue in your replied rant to me…..

Read back through the thread…..and the banter of MM and you in the replies.

Overall,….this is a story of a hypothesized Alien abduction …… imo….I disagree and believe it to be BS…that’s it … your argument is best served with MM….not me….end of story.

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a reply to: Ophiuchus1

You are correct. Last post WAS meant for MM.

My apologies.

a reply to: A51Watcher

Then I don't really understand your reply. Perhaps you should read my comment again. I said

I don't think it's 100% clear that Valentich says "it's orbiting" rather than "I'm orbiting". The audio is too garbled and polluted by background noises. But I'd say it's more likely.