Giant fireball erupts after huge explosion on St Petersburg gas pipeline

a reply to: JAY1980

Not sure those things are mutually exclusive in this case. Take the Ukranians who have been bombarded by their own government for the last 8 years for example. Wouldn't this whole conflict then be Ukraine getting what it gives?

Sounds like an internal problem.

originally posted by: angelchemuel
St Petersburg is roughly 17 hours driving time from Kiev. Some 1,250km or 790 miles in old money. Just to give some perspective on the logistics.
St Petersburg lies on the edge of the Baltic Sea and less than 200km or 125 miles in old money from Finland's border. The border to Estonia is about the same.
Ukrainian special forces travelled all that way to blow up a pipeline? Hmmmmm
Rainbows
Jane

Technically it is an aspect of what special forces are trained to do.

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: angelchemuel
St Petersburg is roughly 17 hours driving time from Kiev. Some 1,250km or 790 miles in old money. Just to give some perspective on the logistics.
St Petersburg lies on the edge of the Baltic Sea and less than 200km or 125 miles in old money from Finland's border. The border to Estonia is about the same.
Ukrainian special forces travelled all that way to blow up a pipeline? Hmmmmm
Rainbows
Jane

Technically it is an aspect of what special forces are trained to do.

Well if it is Special Forces it damn sure isn't NATO or American, but I could see sabotage from Ukraine or even a drone attack.

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: angelchemuel
St Petersburg is roughly 17 hours driving time from Kiev. Some 1,250km or 790 miles in old money. Just to give some perspective on the logistics.
St Petersburg lies on the edge of the Baltic Sea and less than 200km or 125 miles in old money from Finland's border. The border to Estonia is about the same.
Ukrainian special forces travelled all that way to blow up a pipeline? Hmmmmm
Rainbows
Jane

Technically it is an aspect of what special forces are trained to do.

Well if it is Special Forces it damn sure isn't NATO or American, but I could see sabotage from Ukraine or even a drone attack.

That is technically another aspect of special forces training.

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JAY1980

Not sure those things are mutually exclusive in this case. Take the Ukranians who have been bombarded by their own government for the last 8 years for example. Wouldn't this whole conflict then be Ukraine getting what it gives?

Sounds like an internal problem.

Then, this whole thing is an internal problem.

Works both ways IMO.

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: angelchemuel
St Petersburg is roughly 17 hours driving time from Kiev. Some 1,250km or 790 miles in old money. Just to give some perspective on the logistics.
St Petersburg lies on the edge of the Baltic Sea and less than 200km or 125 miles in old money from Finland's border. The border to Estonia is about the same.
Ukrainian special forces travelled all that way to blow up a pipeline? Hmmmmm
Rainbows
Jane

Technically it is an aspect of what special forces are trained to do.

Well if it is Special Forces it damn sure isn't NATO or American, but I could see sabotage from Ukraine or even a drone attack.

That is technically another aspect of special forces training.

Are you suggesting Ukraine Special Forces couldn't figure out how to sabotage a pipeline? This is Ukraine reacting for Ukraine. They are virtually the only country that wants to have NATO involved

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: putnam6

originally posted by: Dalamax

originally posted by: angelchemuel
St Petersburg is roughly 17 hours driving time from Kiev. Some 1,250km or 790 miles in old money. Just to give some perspective on the logistics.
St Petersburg lies on the edge of the Baltic Sea and less than 200km or 125 miles in old money from Finland's border. The border to Estonia is about the same.
Ukrainian special forces travelled all that way to blow up a pipeline? Hmmmmm
Rainbows
Jane

Technically it is an aspect of what special forces are trained to do.

Well if it is Special Forces it damn sure isn't NATO or American, but I could see sabotage from Ukraine or even a drone attack.

That is technically another aspect of special forces training.

Are you suggesting Ukraine Special Forces couldn't figure out how to sabotage a pipeline? This is Ukraine reacting for Ukraine. They are virtually the only country that wants to have NATO involved

Yep.

They've also been hinting at a Black Swan event in Russia:

'Black Swan' in Russia May Help Ukraine Retake Crimea, Minister Predicts
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a reply to: TDDAgain

It probably is an attack on Russia's infrastructure. Miles of pipelines are vulnerable, But can be fixed in a few days.

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JAY1980

Not sure those things are mutually exclusive in this case. Take the Ukranians who have been bombarded by their own government for the last 8 years for example. Wouldn't this whole conflict then be Ukraine getting what it gives?

Sounds like an internal problem.

Then, this whole thing is an internal problem.

Works both ways IMO.

Sure, I mean we don't even know what happened, or maybe they do by now?

My attitude in all of this, getting beyond recent politics, is, Russia has been screwing with Ukraine for a couple hundred years on and off, and alot their troubles of the last decade is rooted in that. I think Russia created most of it, then got the reaction wanted as far as the separatists go.. I'm not even saying Ukraine is a good guy, they probably aren't. But one invaded the other.

JM2C

Im not suggesting anything of the sort. Could be any nationality.

a reply to: putnam6

originally posted by: vonclod

originally posted by: MykeNukem

originally posted by: vonclod
a reply to: JAY1980

Not sure those things are mutually exclusive in this case. Take the Ukranians who have been bombarded by their own government for the last 8 years for example. Wouldn't this whole conflict then be Ukraine getting what it gives?

Sounds like an internal problem.

Then, this whole thing is an internal problem.

Works both ways IMO.

Sure, I mean we don't even know what happened, or maybe they do by now?

My attitude in all of this, getting beyond recent politics, is, Russia has been screwing with Ukraine for a couple hundred years on and off, and alot their troubles of the last decade is rooted in that. I think Russia created most of it, then got the reaction wanted as far as the separatists go.. I'm not even saying Ukraine is a good guy, they probably aren't. But one invaded the other.

JM2C

I know your stance, bro.

I have no problem with it. Everyone has their opinion on the matter, that's for sure, me included.

I was just addressing that one point, maybe it came off wrong, lol.

FWIW here is Tass's take on the subject below. But am I wrong here are only two likely possible reasons for such a portrayal of the gas pipeline story from the official Russian news agency,

either they're lying about it being sabotaged,

or it is nothing but a normal gas pipeline explosion they do happen organically.

Besides if they even suspected Ukraine would they be screaming bloody murder if for no other reason than to rally their citizens behind their war effort? sure potentially they could be doing the old cover up but that seems much less likely that the other two scenarios.

tass.com...

ST. PETERSBURG, November 19. /TASS/. The Belousovo - Leningrad main gas pipeline ruptured bursting into flames, the damaged section was promptly shut down, Gazprom Transgaz St. Petersburg company told TASS on Saturday.

"Today at 3:32 p.m. Moscow time, there was a rupture which set ablaze the Belousovo-Leningrad main gas pipeline in the Vsevolzhsk district of the Leningrad Region. There were no casualties. The section was promptly shut down. An emergency team of Gazprom Transgaz St. Petersburg was dispatched to the site of the rupture, and preparations are underway for reconstruction operations," the company said.

Gazprom Transgaz St. Petersburg has reconnected gas supply consumers to other gas pipelines.

According to the Russian Emergencies Ministry, a gas pipeline caught fire in the Vsevolzhsk district of the Leningrad Region after depressurization. No casualties were immediately reported. There is no threat to residential areas. The Russian Investigative Committee may open a criminal case into industrial negligence after the accident at the gas pipeline.

A ball of Semtex the size of a golf ball can blow a hole in a 1-inch thick pipe if placed right, and can be set off by a acid time detonator the size of a ball point pen.

No need for a Ukrainian special forces team, just one person with little training could do it.


Russia is going to have to put troops on all their critical infrastructure.

I guess Russia will not have the troops to fight in Ukraine and guard their critical infrastructure.

Russia and/or the Putin regime have many enemies and opponents throughout the region.
If sabotage then any one of a number of groups etc could be responsible.

There are rumblings of discontent in quite a few of the regions in Russia where most of those recently press ganged into serving in the Russian Army come from and where the effects of the war and sanctions etc are being felt hardest.

Maybe this is the start of a trend?

a reply to: gortex

That video is super weird.. why is there a 'sun glare' fire at the 49-55 and 1.11 mark in the late evening/night? The fire above the corner of that building makes no sense and breaks all form of pattern with the fire itself (notice a square cut underneith the solid line where the flame's are lighter), ontop of not changing based on being 'zoomed in' or out.. it looks like someone pasted a secondary fire midair and cut the bottom off in a straight line across a 'cooler' part of the fire bit and pasted it right next to it to make it more 'dramatic'.. weird part is it burns like it is a lot closer to the base, as it 'rolls or ocean waves' against the 'base' of what's below it, or other parts of the flame top, which burns mellow and doesn't match any form of 'reflection' to be a reflection/glare which means it's NOT a mirror image/mimic glare.. There's other shots of that video that also look insanely weird to me. But IDK maybe i'm just a cynic to all the bs. To me that glare if it were real should have changed when they zoomed in/changed angle. But it remained 100% the same.. cracked camera lense? You'd think that would show up too..

I'm just going to say it looks like a B-rate fire scene or a poorly scripted hollywood style propaganda, where they didn't bother to check if the flames blended correctly. Granted i'm no pyrotech.. But I do set a lot of thing's on fire - candles, mail, trash and leaves, and i've NEVER seen a floating flame mid air like that. But maybe that's just me.. I'd go over it frame by frame the other ones to make sure lighting and everything lines up..

But several other other scenes have some weird crap to them as well, but I don't feel like debating or going into the technicalities of it.

I am not saying there isn't a fire, I am saying the video shots look fishy as hell. I wouldn't put a dime on betting those videos being real. Based on those video's alone..

I would be more inclined to say that video is just an excuse to do something more 'extreme' in return. Fire may be wild, but fire usually burns smooth and in a consistent pattern, what usually makes it look 'crazy' is when there's multiple starting points. But still each individual flame is again 'smooth', fire doesn't dance on itself and burn mid air like that without something to feed it. All fumes would of been burned at the original point base..

If you want to see a real fire/explosion that this was suppose to copy take a look at the toranto one. You'll notice all 'floating flames' burn out rather quickly.. not go from calm to roaring with no fuel.

a reply to: BlackArrow

Not all cameras were created equal.

Surveillance cameras are static and make the “decisions” on the fly using really primitive chips compared to modern smartphones. Professional cameras are better but still often rely on a user to make decisions like focus and other input.

Even if you do have a high end modern smartphone, the biggest quick discrepancies will come from the software adjusting for dramatic changes in lighting and depth. Mix the two and you’re going to see the software make extreme changes that come off as unnatural, and rightfully so.

Nothing struck me as odd. You have to figure the average western deployed cameras may have done better but still may have come off in a way that isn’t smooth. This is what happens when static cameras or amateur photographers capture an anomaly that could challenge a vet.