Can China compete with the F 35 C

Bad ass plane. Here is a video of it. I wonder if China has stole some of its high tech stuff ?

a reply to: musicismagic

There is much evidence to suggest that some aspects may be copy and paste but ultimately it doesn't matter. They have some and we move forward.There 5th generation may be just as capable as what we have.
Let's hope we never find out.

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: musicismagic

There is much evidence to suggest that some aspects may be copy and paste but ultimately it doesn't matter. They have some and we move forward.There 5th generation may be just as capable as what we have.
Let's hope we never find out.

thanks for the update

given that they are actively recruiting western pilots the tactics will be as good as the tech if the want to defeat the west I'd be worried about that..

as for the F35 I'm keen to see what the Anglo Japanese project has done with the meteor marry UK/Japanese tech.. and how well that cooperation could feather into a UK Japan next gen combat jet..

UK and Japan to develop future fighter jet engine demonstrator

originally posted by: nickyw
given that they are actively recruiting western pilots the tactics will be as good as the tech if the want to defeat the west I'd be worried about that..

as for the F35 I'm keen to see what the Anglo Japanese project has done with the meteor marry UK/Japanese tech.. and how well that cooperation could feather into a UK Japan next gen combat jet..

UK and Japan to develop future fighter jet engine demonstrator

What worries me about that setup would be any military spies China has there in the UK. Remember " China's Spider Web Trap ". Sorry, but when it comes to military secrets, the Chinese have eyes, ears and high tech spy equipment where one would least expect it. That jerk that is still in the US Congress who was boning a Chinese spy, what ever happen to her? and the sh55 head is still in office.

a reply to: nickyw

Yeah but carelessly adopting 'foreign' ways hardly ever works out.

Is China starting at the source with the things it wishes to develop? Not saying China is a paper tiger but the military development of the West has a long history and it fits with the minds committing to the tactics... History.

My mind goes to Japanese steel development and their efforts in WWII, distinctly the ships they produced with such technology which defied the west in more ways than one.

In the end what was the worth of ships like the Yamato? If you're catching up with today's fight you're hardly in a spot to develop for tomorrow's fight.

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: nickyw

Yeah but carelessly adopting 'foreign' ways hardly ever works out.

Is China starting at the source with the things it wishes to develop? Not saying China is a paper tiger but the military development of the West has a long history and it fits with the minds committing to the tactics... History.

My mind goes to Japanese steel development and their efforts in WWII, distinctly the ships they produced with such technology which defied the west in more ways than one.

In the end what was the worth of ships like the Yamato? If you're catching up with today's fight you're hardly in a spot to develop for tomorrow's fight.

Ube Kosan of Yamaguchi Japan has some of their high quality precise steel gadgets made in China due to lower wages.

Cool video

originally posted by: RAY1990
a reply to: nickyw

Yeah but carelessly adopting 'foreign' ways hardly ever works out.

Is China starting at the source with the things it wishes to develop? Not saying China is a paper tiger but the military development of the West has a long history and it fits with the minds committing to the tactics... History.

My mind goes to Japanese steel development and their efforts in WWII, distinctly the ships they produced with such technology which defied the west in more ways than one.

In the end what was the worth of ships like the Yamato? If you're catching up with today's fight you're hardly in a spot to develop for tomorrow's fight.

Every plane is developed on the 50% principle. That is to say if you use more than 50% of novel designs, parts, etc; the plane is almost guaranteed NOT to fly.

Because of this, "copy catting" isn't necessarily making a worse product but possibly a better one.

Also what's this about the Yamato?

Yamato was one ship ganged up against by 8 US Carriers and an entire task force including 6 battleships and 30 destroyers and 350 aircraft.

The Yamato killed, wounded, sunk or damaged:
97 killed
122 wounded
10 aircraft destroyed
1 aircraft carrier damaged
1 battleship damaged
1 destroyer damaged

Pretty impressive for being one ship virtually by itself. (Wasn't exactly by itself but the escort was negligible and caught separated from the Yamato).

a reply to: DarthTrader

I wasn't talking about copying planes and their styles/roles, I was mainly talking about tactics, logistics and the actual make-up of armed forces.

China can copy all it wants, on paper their stuff could be better but without actual combat they'd be unproven and it's in the heat of the fire decent metal is forged.

Which is exactly why I mentioned the Yamato since it was kept at a distance and missed out of most of the war. Times change.

Pretty impressive for being one ship virtually by itself. (Wasn't exactly by itself but the escort was negligible and caught separated from the Yamato).

It was a last ditch effort suicide run. Highly impressive ship but it was built for the wrong era and had a negligible effect on the Pacific theatre. In military circles I'd imagine it to be considered a huge investment that never paid off.

I find battleships impressive too, some true beasts were designed before WWII but nobody could've truly predicted the fast evolving nature of technology during that war. The world decided to restrict battleships leading up to WWII and a couple of nations defied those international rules at great expense.

It wasn't all that expensive to sink them...
In the grand scheme of things.

What worries me about that setup would be any military spies China has there in the UK. Remember " China's Spider Web Trap ". Sorry, but when it comes to military secrets, the Chinese have eyes, ears and high tech spy equipment where one would least expect it. That jerk that is still in the US Congress who was boning a Chinese spy, what ever happen to her? and the sh55 head is still in office.

originally posted by: DarthTrader

Yamato was one ship ganged up against by 8 US Carriers and an entire task force including 6 battleships and 30 destroyers and 350 aircraft.

The Yamato killed, wounded, sunk or damaged:
97 killed
122 wounded
10 aircraft destroyed
1 aircraft carrier damaged
1 battleship damaged
1 destroyer damaged

Pretty impressive for being one ship virtually by itself.

It sounds impressive and kinda sounds like the Allies were desperate however, one needs to consider at what point in the war this took place. The US alone had out produced the Japanese tenfold or more hands down, There simply were not enough surviving Japanese targets to go around. The Allied navies were out for blood and stopping at nothing short of eradication.

She did put up one hell of a fight but so did the Bismark. I'm sure anyone of the main line US battleships would have gone down-swinging as well.

a reply to: SLAYER69

That's the theme of WWII, every time the Bismarck came out to play the RAF made sure to have some fun too. Given the constant advances in technology, power projection and methods of detection it was a reasonable conclusion to hide large battleships.

Turn them into anti air or use them as massive deterrents to sea invasions. The big guns of WWII were ineffective. A similar story happened on land too.

Why waste high grade steel on behemoths when your enemy is designing weapons to take them out at a fraction of the cost. It's the likes of torpedoes, HEAT rounds and radar that were the true stars of WWII.

Which makes sense, warfare and theory alone never works. A level of practical is needed to truly develop abilities. In regards to the OP it'll be the same thing, if China hasn't actually tried to compete with F35s flown by adversary pilots then all it really knows is theory.

Battleships and WWII was a good idea in theory...

a reply to: musicismagic

It certainly is bad ass...if only I had a second chance at a career, my office would be in the cockpit.

The People's Liberation Army Navy could adapt the Shenyang FC-31 for use as a carrier-based aircraft, just as the F-35C is the naval version of the F-35A.