These People Where Forced To Be Russian.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: JAY1980

Ignoring the current invasion and deflecting?

Acknowledging that there are two tyrants at play here, not one.

We have to look at the actual truth or we'll just get more lies (narrative).

Zelensky's hands aren't clean, he can't be trusted, he's a liar, all the same things that are said about Putin.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Why is it so difficult to understand the reasons Russia claim for invading? You can not just ignore the time between 2014-2022 even though it would fit your narrative.

a reply to: Cutepants

It was not the first time you pulled that off with me, so repeatedly asking me in public if I am drunk (while you certainly are), gives that impression. So yeah, stick to your own advices, will you?

a reply to: MykeNukem

How about focussing on the Ukrainian people rather than hating on Zelensky?

a reply to: MykeNukem

A few pages back Volodymyr Zelenskyy was an actor, now he's being painted as a tyrant?

Well i suppose even Adolf Hitler was an artist, and also a tyrant.

However, do you have any sort of actual factual evidence that suggests Zelenskyy to be cut from the same cloth or is that simply your opinion of the man?

originally posted by: TDDAgain
In your opinion, would Zelensky be justified to roll into Russia after they won the conflict in Ukraine?

Of course it would be justified, we can all agree on that, but only depending on what he does. Liberating Russia would be justified, but not occupying Russia or Chechnya or Buryatia etc.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I don't understand why you get offended. Being drunk doesn't make you an alcoholic anyway.

a reply to: TDDAgain


Reasons?

Like Ukraine threatening Russia?

De-Nazification?

Those reasons?

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: MykeNukem

A few pages back Volodymyr Zelenskyy was an actor, now he's being painted as a tyrant?

Well i suppose even Adolf Hitler was an artist, and also a tyrant, but do you have any sort of actual factual evidence that suggests Zelenskyy to be cut from the same cloth or is that simply your opinion of the man?

So, in 2019 did Zelensky fire all these guys?

Groups of right-wing Ukrainian nationalists are committing war crimes in the rebel-held territories of Eastern Ukraine, according to a report from Amnesty International, as evidence emerged in local media of the volunteer militias beheading their victims.

Armed volunteers who refer to themselves as the Aidar battalion "have been involved in widespread abuses, including abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, and possible executions", Amnesty said.
Newsweek

I don't think he did. Volunteers like Azov....not good guys.

Same guys still involved, or can we forget all about what Russia has done too?

I think he's more of a puppet actually, sometimes an actor, sometimes comedian, always a puppet.

a reply to: Cutepants
Not offended, just cringe how you in tandem ask for not getting personal yet you escalated it to a whole new level.

If you drink regular alcohol, you are alcoholic by definition. If you ask me regular in public if I am drunk when I am not, that's slander. And not a very smart move discussion wise even though you might find it funny.

a reply to: MykeNukem

So, in 2019 did Zelensky fire all these guys?

So not firing people makes him a tyrant?

Boris must of had a brown shirt on whilst in power if thats the case. LoL

Same guys still involved, or can we forget all about what Russia has done too?

Im glad you realize Russia are in the same to similar predicament where Nazi scum amongst the ranks are concerned.

Which begs the question why invade Ukraine screaming hunt the Nazi when you share the same dilemma?

Aka what Putin did.

Anyhoo, so no real proof as to Zelenskyy being a tyrant other than him not firing people you dont like.

a reply to: MykeNukem

Actual ordinary Ukrainians are fighting and dying to defend their country from an invader.

Willingly.

So why all the focus on Zelensky?

a reply to: andy06shake

I guess Putin is at the mercy of the Nazis in his regime who forced him to invade. While Zelensky has avoided that fate.

originally posted by: andy06shake
a reply to: MykeNukem

So, in 2019 did Zelensky fire all these guys?

So not firing people makes him a tyrant?

Boris must of had a brown shirt on whilst in power if thats the case. LoL

Same guys still involved, or can we forget all about what Russia has done too?

Im glad you realize Russia are in the same to similar predicament where Nazi scum amongst the ranks are concerned.

Which begs the question why invade Ukraine screaming hunt the Nazi when you share the same dilemma.

Anyhoo, so no real proof as to Zelenskyy being a tyrant other than him not firing people you dont like.

Yes, by not firing people that commit war atrocities, that would mean he's tyrannical and likes that sort of thing. It might also mean he's further guilty of war crimes as well.

I don't like Putin either, they're both the same, except one is being used as a puppet of the West.

If you think Zelensky is a great guy, you do you.

I'll stick to thinking there are two sides to this equation, and no one wants to talk about it.

Why not?

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Because he's Commander in power and the Ukrainian people are under his command. They don't just do what they want, there is a command chain.

So why all the defocusing on Zelensky all the time? He's the current leader of the country. He runs the place, at least acts like that. Have you seen any video how he behaves? How he ticks? He's brushed for trouble and only seeing his pride.

And that makes him an unpredictable asset by his own behavior and words. Sure not the devil Putin seems to be but he has made it clear what he wishes to do and would do, should he get the assets needed.

That's why Zelensky rings the alarm bells. It's not us saying Putin is an angel and Zelensky is worse. It's true unbiased focus on both. Unlike you, that only sees the tragic conveyed to you by the media, there are people trying to stay level headed and judge the situation accordingly. Your own government knows that too, evident by their behavior when it's about suppling such weaponry.

Distracting from Zelensky does not make Putin a better person, there are people that can acknowledge both at the same time, you and others just seem to having a hard time understanding that.

a reply to: Cutepants

The focus should be on Putin because he, and he alone, decided to invade Ukraine.

It's his War and he alone bears the responsibility for all the ensuing death and destruction


That is how real tyrants behave.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Point is, they are more than willing to die fighting an invader.

a reply to: TDDAgain

You are becoming more and more unhinged. When did I ask you not to get personal? I don't know if you're intentionally lying or if you actually believe in this fantasy.

And when did I say you drink alcohol regularily? You're getting angry at me for imaginary offences.

originally posted by: Oldcarpy2
a reply to: Cutepants

The focus should be on Putin because he, and he alone, decided to invade Ukraine.

It's his War and he alone bears the responsibility for all the ensuing death and destruction


That is how real tyrants behave.

Of course that's what the narrative is.

How dare we scrutinize someone who wants us to assist in WWIII on his behalf.

How dare we want to talk about if that's a smart idea. IMO he's just a puppet, it's the Ukraine Military that's shady AF.

More from Amnesty International:

Ukraine must stop ongoing abuses and war crimes by pro-Ukrainian volunteer forces
(Kyiv) In a meeting with Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk today, Amnesty International Secretary General Salil Shetty urged the Ukrainian government to stop abuses and war crimes by volunteer battalions operating alongside regular Ukrainian armed forces.

“The Ukrainian authorities must not replicate the lawlessness and abuses that have prevailed in areas previously held by separatists,” said Salil Shetty, Amnesty International Secretary General from Kyiv.

“The failure to stop abuses and possible war crimes by volunteer battalions risks significantly aggravating tensions in the east of the country and undermining the proclaimed intentions of the new Ukrainian authorities to strengthen and uphold the rule of law more broadly.”
www.amnesty.org...

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

Nobody disputed that, so not sure why you bring it up as some sort of point, as in it would summarize anything you wrote yet. It's just a hollow phrase that establishes nothing other than you expressing it.