What really happened in the garden of eden and scratch your head

a reply to: quintessentone

I don't consider anything here to be something one must try to figure out. It's clear, the snake after learning about God's rule went against God and coerced Eve and Adam, he was standing with her, to partake of the tree. Obviously before they partook of the fruit they were not wise enough to figure out the snake's motives so why God punished Adam and Eve for being unwise, I just don't get it.

Except for the fact that talking snakes don't exist so symbolic's must be at play. Consider the first genesis account a blueprint of mans nature. Adam made in Gods image represents our spiritual nature. Eve made by reproduction (aka bone) represents our physical nature. The tree, our spinal chord, allows us to perceive the physical world through our sensations. If we allow the serpent, our ego mind, to continually chase physical sensations (apples) we are turning our back to our spiritual nature.

originally posted by: glend
a reply to: quintessentone

I don't consider anything here to be something one must try to figure out. It's clear, the snake after learning about God's rule went against God and coerced Eve and Adam, he was standing with her, to partake of the tree. Obviously before they partook of the fruit they were not wise enough to figure out the snake's motives so why God punished Adam and Eve for being unwise, I just don't get it.

Except for the fact that talking snakes don't exist so symbolic's must be at play. Consider the first genesis account a blueprint of mans nature. Adam made in Gods image represents our spiritual nature. Eve made by reproduction (aka bone) represents our physical nature. The tree, our spinal chord, allows us to perceive the physical world through our sensations. If we allow the serpent, our ego mind, to continually chase physical sensations (apples) we are turning our back to our spiritual nature.

It was not a serpent, per se, at the time the entity spoke to Eve - with Adam there listening - so it may have been a rebellious angel or something lesser than a God with wisdom, obviously because it knew Adam and Eve would not die if the fruit was eaten. It also knew Adam and Eve did not have knowledge nor wisdom just as God knew they were at a disadvantage to trickery from the wiser that God obviously allowed to be in the garden with them. The only thing to figure out is how we bend over backward trying to make sense of some of the senseless and/or contradictory passages found in the Bible.

There are so many differing interpretations of the story, while it possibly being one of the oldest stories to have survived a time im memorable.

Some look it as the actual fact an truth word for word, others take the more metaphorical/physical route like the Garden being a nervous system of the human experience. A good chunk of the time it often gets implied for sex and control between man an woman, or a loss of innocence or coming of age, I.e curiosity killing the cat. I think the are some loose historical an scientific accuracies that could correlate with the actual reality. Serpent turned to dust could be acknowledging the existence that Dinosaurs roamed at a time.

I like the Gnostic’s interpretation where Logos an Sophia trick the Demiurge into making humans, and the fact the serpent could actually be Adam’s penis, and that the tree represented the second brain in the human body, hence why it was hanging around fruit, which is actual a trees gonads. Hence why Eve could leave well enough alone, an got punished by God with childbirth an getting diminishing returns from a weary Adam, whose serpent turned to dust.

If there is a God, he got to much time on his hands.

a reply to: Proto88

If there is a God, he got to much time on his hands.

Unless God travels faster than the speed of light, then that may be where we get that passage that one of God's years equals a thousand of our years. If that is the case then God's work will take forever.

a reply to: godservant

And God said eat of any fruit in the garden
but not from the tree of life
and not from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

? tree-of-life ? = immortality ?

? knowing good-&-evil ? = intellect ?

so, humanity was to remain 'instinctual' animals ?

This is the main theory I go with.
I picture two main halves as triggers for behavior.
First is feeling, and when acting totally with feeling you are like a tree or forest. You feel so much you cannot see where you end and others begin. This is Eve.
Second is instinct/thinking. When acting like this you are like a shark. You only think/act without any feeling. So you do not see yourself as related to anyone. This is Adam
So upon gaining knowledge, Eve realized she is not everyone. That there are others, thus she recognizes them by covering herself. Adam, from the other side noticed he is not alone, there are others whom he is related to and therefore recognizes them by covering up.
This theory also covers Eves pain of childbirth. It is a physiological pain of separation, not physical pain.
a reply to: Xtrozero

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: godservant

And God said eat of any fruit in the garden
but not from the tree of life
and not from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

? tree-of-life ? = immortality ?

? knowing good-&-evil ? = intellect ?

so, humanity was to remain 'instinctual' animals ?

What good is immortality without intellect?

originally posted by: carlncarl
This is the main theory I go with.
I picture two main halves as triggers for behavior.
First is feeling, and when acting totally with feeling you are like a tree or forest. You feel so much you cannot see where you end and others begin. This is Eve.
Second is instinct/thinking. When acting like this you are like a shark. You only think/act without any feeling. So you do not see yourself as related to anyone. This is Adam
So upon gaining knowledge, Eve realized she is not everyone. That there are others, thus she recognizes them by covering herself. Adam, from the other side noticed he is not alone, there are others whom he is related to and therefore recognizes them by covering up.
This theory also covers Eves pain of childbirth. It is a physiological pain of separation, not physical pain.

Very good points, we both agree it is something other than two people basically starting the human race and did so by doing something bad. People want to take the story literally in a book that is full of parables, symbols, metaphors, allegories... Not to mention God would need 1000s of humans at the start to have the genetic variants needed for a species to survive.

originally posted by: quintessentone

originally posted by: St Udio
a reply to: godservant

And God said eat of any fruit in the garden
but not from the tree of life
and not from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

 

? tree-of-life ? = immortality ?

? knowing good-&-evil ? = intellect ?

so, humanity was to remain 'instinctual' animals ?

What good is immortality without intellect?

yes, 2 trees they shouldn't eat from.

knowledge is intellect and morality.
immortality would mean no need for evolution or kids!


this was something i didn't know and not included in the final cut of the bible we use today.

Ok, I'm going to jump in here . . .
Fixating on trees to the point of
loosing vision of the forest
is not constructive.
What we do know is,
#1) It is written literally that Adam and Eve were
NOT designed but cloned. Adam from
pre-existing particles and
Eve cloned from Adam's rib.
. . . by the 'lordS'

#2) knowledge of good and bad, was intended to be 'bad'
For what real purpose, was Adam and Eve CLONED then ?

#3) Inter-breading is genetically unhealthy, even
more so, would be CLONES INTERBREEDING !
Chances are that any off-spring would not survive.
The-All-Mighty (the real one) would know this.

#4) Seems to me that some of the 'lordS' rebelled
against a system of 'dumb clones'
while others did not approve of
clones having rights ?
Genisis 6:4
The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and
also afterward—when the sonS of God went to
the daughters of humans and had children by them.

#3) Personally, I don't believe that The-All-Mighty is as simple
as a 'word' as the man made o.t says.
(a human construct just as with media)
Personally I believe, that The-All-Mighty is
comprised
of Spirit beyond our comprehension.

The o.t. is a cool political story though,
for colonial building

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thank you for the thread

please ,
do understand that 'the Eden paradise' is in 'the other Reality'

in fact , to be more specific , South-East of this earth

... the story is as incredible as amazing :
God tells in all prophets that , after Adam fell , he left the paradise
[=so he did not 'die' -- as the by Esau inserted 'Geesis 5' tells]
but that he went 'to the north of eden'
'to make a pact with the evil realm'
and helped them to create the evil region we know as 'Mystery-Babylon'

as the evil realm IN OUR SOLARPLANE

... therefore this evil realm resides "east of this earth"
and is 'the east' from where the '200 million kings will come invade earth' :
as an army of 200 M fullblown demons ...

... please understand
that God needed so many prophets
to explain what was going on IN THE OTHER REALITY

... He explains how He made Eden , how we left it , what Adam did - working against Him AND US ,
how our souls were placed on this prison-planet (hello Alex J) , inside this pimped Ape 2.0 ,
so that we would never remember Eden nor search BACK for her

... all of this is described in prophets : but our enemy , Esau , got his filthy hands upon the scroll
and has turned most of prophets into a silly mess , in order that we would never understand ...

... He says in prophets , that in the end of days the tombs of the Egyptian nobles will be found ,
and that 'His sons [=you and we] will decipher their [=Egyptians] sayings ... hieroglyphs .. that are
all talking and boasting about THEIR DEFEATING OF EDEN... miles and miles of hieroglyphs all tell
the same thing : how they conquered Eden , how they steal HER riches , transporting those to
THEIR 'paradise': namely their 'field of Reeds' within this solarplane

and how WE are NEVER SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT : or their rule will be over

we have so incredibly been Lied to ...

Plato - the so-called 'father of modern reason' TELLS in his mumbo jumbo texts , deeply buried in them , how he VISITED 'the field of Reeds' [=the evil paradise in the solarplane] ... he says "the colours there are nothing like those on earth"... he describes the dome covering that paradise , as "the parts of a leather (foot-) ball" : he means the geodesic Buckminster-Fuller dome ... - he describes "the mighty river streaming upwards from Tartarus" [=Eden] : the exact river which the Egyptian Spells call the Nile , and prophets describe as "the river which the Dragon made" -- Ezekiel -- as the river continuously stealig the Eden aspects , bringing them to their North ...

so , to come back to you OP ,

prophets tell that Adam understood how he could keep ruling US and use us as hostages aginst GOD : he saw how his one son murdeered the other one , and he did the same to US :
prophets write how we left Eden because we became afraid of God after the Fall [that is, our soul inside our gorgeous by God created body] and went to the North to ask help of our father Adam :
but he betrayed us and gave us to the demon [=demon nations] who tortured us so deep that our soul went OUT of them (-bodies) and they placed our soul in this Ape upon this earth far away .
So that we would never remember our original heritage.

THIS is the meaning of 'the Babylon whore being drunk of the blood' .

... Adam is a continuing theme in prophets ,
given epithets as "the king of Assyria" who 'is proud of his own wisdom' ,
devising everything the evil realm needs - and they respect him for that

the real ancient texts describe exactly the same
[before they realized their collossal mistake to talk about this]
as the Egyptian spells praise Adam for it
and the pre-Hindu Rg-Veda , 1500 BC ,
honouring Yama [=Adam] for all the things he makes ,
therefore praise him with songs and lute
[book X]

it is ADAM who is the subject in Is. 14
not some 'lucifer'
hé went 'to the North'
and will fall down to the pit

a reply to: ToneDeaf

Fascinating theory and it reminds me of Cloud Atlas, and we all know what happens when clones get wise.

a reply to: lonerpt

Your ringing my dam bells!!



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Adam was the second creation, placed in Eden to look after it and given a partner because he was lonely and bored.
"Don't eat the 'fruit' of those trees because you will become like us and we really don't want that" said god.

Anyway, Eve was convinced by Lucifer angel to delve into the information and discover exactly what her and Adam's roles were in life. #, ain't it? So she told Adam and he was just as miffed as she was. When god came walking in the garden, feeling the evening breeze and looking for Adam [because his so-called omnipresence couldn't locate Adam] he got miffed as well because his two lackeys had discovered the ignominy of nakedness and subservience.

"Get out!" screamed an angry god.

Off they went, into the world of men and women, life and civilisation, no longer held captive in the garden of Eden by a 'god' of jealousy and rage and probably pretty lazy, too.

The end.

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: godservantI

I've sometimes wondered if eating from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil had something to do with choosing to incarnate into Earthly bodies (vs staying in Spiritual bodies?) Suddenly Adam and Eve "knew they were naked" ...like, they suddenly had these human bodies that had no clothes on.

deepest respect -- you're closer than you know ...

originally posted by: lonerpt

originally posted by: new_here
a reply to: godservantI

I've sometimes wondered if eating from the tree of Knowledge of good and evil had something to do with choosing to incarnate into Earthly bodies (vs staying in Spiritual bodies?) Suddenly Adam and Eve "knew they were naked" ...like, they suddenly had these human bodies that had no clothes on.

deepest respect -- you're closer than you know ...

Thank you, but can you say more?