Russia says UK navy blew up Nord Stream, London denies involvement

originally posted by: Cutepants
You only want to tell half of the lie, not the whole lie. That makes you feel like a good person. And you're surprised when people call you a liar.

What lie? If you accuse me of lying and imply people call me a liar then by all means explain. I didn't see it happening. Maybe that's just your personal opinion?

I am tired of all your claims that you can't or won't back up. But hey, I am used to it!

originally posted by: TDDAgain
Russia blow up their own pipeline?

www.reuters.com...

This was posted only a few weeks before Russia's pipeline sabotage. Coincidence? I find it hard to believe.

a reply to: alldaylong
You're correct with that statement, I have to retract and agree with you. Because:

The last two years prove your statement with the COVID hysterics / insanity. People were herded together in camps and talk was about physical forced injections. Yes you clearly have a point here.

Yet we should we believe the UK/US that Russia blew up their own Nord Streams pipelines.

It was likely either the US or UK or even Poland.
While you having Polish MEPs thanking for the explosion of the Nord Streams Pipelines.

Was enough to show that it wasn't Russia.

a reply to: TDDAgain

I was talking about your post where you said that "I am not claiming NAZI fighters under Ukraine or any other theory." So you aren't willing to lie and claim that there are Nazis in Ukraine, a lie that many other posters on this site unfortunately are willing to commit to. But still you vaguely refer to some sort of NATO dealings in Ukraine that somehow cornered Putin. That is the second half the lie, that's what I meant, that's how I back it up.

a reply to: TDDAgain

This thread is about Russia accusing UK.

That may be but i did not say anything that is not true.

Let's look at Russias evidence instead of prematurely making up minds, shall we?

Smashing where is that now?

Sadly you and others are mixing up everything into one basket, because you were told so by MSM.

You know what they say about presumption don't you?

Unless you have a private line to Putin or Zelenskyy i imagine you are getting your news and information on the subject from the same to similar places as the rest of us.

a reply to: Cutepants

Kremlin: Europe to blame for Nord Stream 1 shutdown

Yes, of course Europe is to be blamed. I know you and others like to ignore it or pass it through but it was Europe decision to get off Russian oil and gas. It wasn't the Kremlins decision.

The energy crisis is to be blamed on Europe and Europe alone. Europe decided this, not Russia . Crying wolf now and trying to pass it of as necessary and turn around blaming the Kremlin for it, is another layer of dishonesty added.

And you buy into it

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: Cutepants

Did you forget to read my first post in this thread? I clearly said that Russia's reason was to prevent anyone else from using the pipeline.

And I asked you for any evidence of this danger, ball is in your court to deliver.

Again, who was about to use the pipeline and from where to put what through?

I'm honestly surprised that this is so hard for you to understand. Germany was using the pipeline. The purpose of the pipeline was to deliver gas to Germany and other countries in that region. The pipeline is a metal tube that is supposed to contain gas that is moved from Russia to central Europe. It's similar to how metal pipes deliver water into your house.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
The energy crisis is to be blamed on Europe and Europe alone. Europe decided this, not Russia .

And thank God they did, they finally came to their senses. That makes me happy. It was absolutely Europe's decision, Europe grew a pair. And the rest of the world can keep buying Russian gas if they want, but that's a cope.

And you buy into it

I'm not sure what you mean here. What do I buy into?

a reply to: Cutepants
I am flabbergasted at your obtuseness.

Okay I word it different. Maybe instead of a reply like that, try to answer the questions. You don't need to explain to me what a pipeline does. You still need to explain:

- WHAT use is a pipeline when there's no injection happening?
- WHO is the only one capable of injecting gas?
- WHO would inject gas in order to make use of that pipeline?
- WHEN and from WHOM was there any danger in overtaking?

What do you know about pipelines, obviously very little. You claim that it could be "overtaken" and "used" and I ask you to provide explanation how that scenario would go down. And all you have is a condescending explanation about piplelines from a crayon color book.

a reply to: Cutepants
You are aware you just nullified one of your main arguments so you can be Schadenfreudian?

So we can agree that Europe did this to themselves? Great progress!

a reply to: TDDAgain

You asked me who was about to use the pipeline, and I answered you. Why do you act like I offended you?

- WHAT use is a pipeline when there's no injection happening?

It's no use, because then nothing comes out of the other end of the pipeline.

- WHO is the only one capable of injecting gas?

I don't know, who? Maybe you have the answer to this questions, but I don't think there is such person.

- WHO would inject gas in order to make use of that pipeline?

Whoever profits from selling Russian gas

- WHEN and from WHOM was there any danger in overtaking?

There are many dangers. NATO will soon surround the pipeline almost completely, so Putin knows Russia has very little control. That's why his actions have become desperate. There's also an internal danger from within Russia itself.

You claim that it could be "overtaken" and "used" and I ask you to provide explanation how that scenario would go down. And all you have is a condescending explanation about piplelines from a crayon color book.

I just keep explaining it over and over again. You can ignore the parts that aren't helpful to you.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: Cutepants
You are aware you just nullified one of your main arguments so you can be Schadenfreudian?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

So we can agree that Europe did this to themselves? Great progress!

Europe has a lot of blame in this, sure. Putin would never have become this deluded if Europe hadn't been so soft and allowed it. And the result is a lot of suffering in Russia and Ukraine.

a reply to: Cutepants
Not ignoring any parts.

Just getting tired but I will address this:

- WHO would inject gas in order to make use of that pipeline?

You

Whoever profits from selling Russian gas

One last try, maybe then you will see it yourself... So I ask you the third time, WHERE is that gas going to be injected. You are aware that "Russian gas" is coming from Russia, they handle it and decide when and how much to inject.

By simply "overtaking" the pipeline, whatever that means to you, IDK, because you refuse to explain, ZERO is accomplished. Do you think Russian gas magically appears in the pipeline?

Or are you smart enough to recognize that any pipeline is useless when the loading end won't feed it? My gosh you act so intelligent but don't grasp this?

I also still wait on an explanation how and why I am a liar, with that half quoted post, so you can smear me.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
WHERE is that gas going to be injected.

Obviously in Russia. The gas comes from underground in Russia, that's where they mine the gas.

Do you think Russian gas magically appears in the pipeline?

No, I think the gas comes from inside the earth in Russia. There's pocket of gas in the earth that have formed over a long time.

Or are you smart enough to recognize that any pipeline is useless when the loading end won't feed it? My gosh you act so intelligent but don't grasp this?

Yes

a reply to: Cutepants

Obviously in Russia. The gas comes from underground in Russia, that's where they mine the gas.
...
No, I think the gas comes from inside the earth in Russia. There's pocket of gas in the earth that have formed over a long time.

And I guess you also think that the Russians can't do anything to stop that gas entering the pipeline? That's the whole point. The pipe is useless when the Russians don't feed it. Do you think a pipeline is just rammed into the Earth and then gas collects there and is fed to the system? Lol.

I word it out for you, the Russians have this technology called "valve". It's like those things you use on your kitchen faucet. But behold, that's not everything. Someone, somewhere has to send water into that pipe. If that is not happening, no water for you, no matter who takes physical posession of the pipe.

And to make it very clear: This water is not just coming from pipes stuck into the earth. It has to be collected somewhere, pressurized and then it goes through a lot of these magical valves.

Again, the pipe is useless when the Russians don't feed it. Since no one can force them, your argumentation about them blowing up the pipeline to prevent usage is shattered to pieces.

a reply to: TDDAgain

Right, but if the pipeline is destroyed then no-one can use it in the future. It's like when Columbus burned the ships. He knew his men may want to return back to Spain when their situation got worse and people start dying. But destroying the ships takes that option away. Putin's entire legacy depends on the outcome of this war. If he loses, he will be remembered as a clown.

over 100 yards of pipe were destroyed. Twas no accident.
a reply to: bastion

a reply to: Cutepants

No one could have used the pipeline before it was destroyed either.

And I asked you to bring up any example how that would go down with Russia not injecting gas.

Hence, your argument is invalid.

originally posted by: TDDAgain
a reply to: Cutepants

No one could have used the pipeline before it was destroyed either.

I have to disagree with you here. I think there's a lot of proof of the pipeline being used to move gas from Russia to Germany.

And I asked you to bring up any example how that would go down with Russia not injecting gas.

How what would go down?