Russia Lies Again- About Dirty Bomb Claims

originally posted by: xpert11
a reply to: TrueAmerican

In short, the question in my mind is, what triggers Russia's potential employment of nuclear weapons? Like Hitler's regime turning to wonder weapons (primary the V-1 flying bomb and V-2 rocket) or Putin's realisation, the war in Ukraine is lost might serve as triggers.

But Russia's slipping grip on Central Asia and the potential for a second Russian Civil War are also potential atomic flashpoints.

The only "Flashpoint" for the deployment of even a small tactical nuke Putin could justify, given the political situation in the Russian homeland, would be a large-scale "Western" invasion of Russia itself. Or a preemptive nuclear strike within the homeland (irrespective of the "annexed" Ukrainian and Crimean territories).

Anything less would not be supported by the Russian citizenry, nor, more importantly, by the inner circles of the Russian government itself, who are already expressing dissatisfaction with Putin's handling of the "special military action".


For Putin, given the position he has put himself in, pulling the nuke card just to try to win in Ukraine, would mean political (and possibly, literal) suicide.

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: xpert11



Stake out their subs to the point we have a tactical advantage (by finding at least many of them), then nuke em and go full launch simultaneously. Deradiated Moscow glass will become a thing. A cornered bear may be dangerous, but a cornered lion will absolutely tear you to pieces. And then eat you for breakfast, hiding the carcass for later. But it is literally coming down to that.

How can you be that brainwashed?

originally posted by: stosh64

originally posted by: TrueAmerican
a reply to: xpert11



Stake out their subs to the point we have a tactical advantage (by finding at least many of them), then nuke em and go full launch simultaneously. Deradiated Moscow glass will become a thing. A cornered bear may be dangerous, but a cornered lion will absolutely tear you to pieces. And then eat you for breakfast, hiding the carcass for later. But it is literally coming down to that.

How can you be that brainwashed?

That's what's left over after washing my brain from Putin's lies. It's just "nuclear rhetoric." All the rage these days. Not suitable for dirty brains anymore, so you might as well exit.

a reply to: Mantiss2021



The propaganda Russian state media has been telling that the Eastern Ukraine is same as Russia, as is Crimea......and that NATO is in Ukraine fighting against Russia.

So they can make this look like Western NATO invasion against Novorussia/Russia .....it's of course a lie, but that dont much matter in Russia.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

not sure the rest of the world is the audience they are talking to.

a reply to: Mantiss2021

Thats why so many people are just laughing at this (I laugh at it since it wouldnt accomplish anything for Ukraine or ruZZia to set off a dirty bomb in a place already radioactively deserted and abandoned makes no sense at all)... its clear ruZZia is simply playing the 'if it happens it wasnt us it was the Ukrainians that did it to themselves' nuclear card... if they do anything at all that is, still just all hot air from them.

So much of this crap is simply to keep the home fires patriotic and eyes, blame, finger pointing away from the top... its honestly pretty sad, if it wasnt all so god damn dangerous.

I watched a video where a guy explains a few things, basically you have the neutral majority in ruZZia the minority anti putler and then the middle sized nationalistic super patriots... the mobilization and things like the Crimean bridge being hit are getting the neutral ruZZians to wake up, thing is they dont want those ruZZians who are waking up to join the anti putin crowd, so this sort of nuclear rhetoric and propaganda is designed to drive them into the super patriot camp.

a reply to: 1947boomer

Russia seized Chernobyl early in the war

Seized is the wrong word to use in that sentence.
Was Chernobyl Ukrainian or Russian ?
"Only your hairdresser knows for sure"

Care to explain then how, when Russia ordered it, the Ukraine was left in the dark? If theyre that innacurate. Me thinks youre buying into weatern media manipulation., a reply to: Mantiss2021

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originally posted by: BigfootNZ
Heres another angle from it, from ruZZia state media...

Twitter.com

Apparently, if Ukraine does this it will be over Chernobyl... because, reasons?

With a Tochka-U missile dressed as an Iskander, Ukraine will shoot it down and show its parts to convince the West ruZZia did it. Given how stupid it all sounds, it sounds 100% like the kinda false flag, not false flag ruZZia would attempt. Although this sort of things been talked about for weeks now by ruZZia and still hasnt happened.

Every nuclear reactor produces its own unique “fingerprint” of radioactive waste. It will be over Chernobyl because then the Russians can claim that the radioactive materials came from Chernobyl, which of course was controlled by Ukraine until the first weeks of the war. Russia seized Chernobyl early in the war and had an opportunity to seize the material themselves, but they are hoping everyone will forget that.

There has been propaganda on both sides, but this aint it. If you would all care to fact check this story you have Ukraine saying that Russia is going to use a dirty bomb. Then you have Russia saying that its Ukraine gonna use a dirty bomb in a false flag event.

What sticks out like a sore thumb is very very telling. The Russians, yes the Russians are appealing to the IAEA (that's the International Atomic Energy Agency) that's international not Russian, to go and actually see and investigate this dirty bomb. The IAEA in it's wisdom has ignored the request. Now use your intelligence and decide who is lying.

a reply to: TrueAmerican
Your source is a random blue checkless Twitter thread? Nice...

Why even bother speaking at all any more Russia? Not a soul on the planet is going to believe you- about ANYTHING!

Speak for yourself you NATO/Raytheon propaganda regurgitating stooge.

I'm curious how many times does your information have to be proven false before you start to question it? You all claimed Russia was gonna blow up Chernobyl like 10 times and use biological agents another 5 times. None of which happened.

Do you not see how credibility works?

You can't simply just distance yourself from your previous indiscretions and expect people to take what you say at face value.

"The boy who cried war crime."

originally posted by: Joneselius
Care to explain then how, when Russia ordered it, the Ukraine was left in the dark? If theyre that innacurate. Me thinks youre buying into weatern media manipulation., a reply to: Mantiss2021

Hitting a power station is like hitting the broad side of a barn. Doesn't take much of an aim to do it well enough.

Hitting the spent fuel rod cooling facilities adjacent to the reactor containment building at a nuclear power facility is more like hitting the 8 foot long livestock watering trough behind the barn from the opposite side.

a reply to: crayzeed

Ukraine requested the IAEA. Your statement is not factually correct and you clearly don't practice what you preach.

IAEA

Quote direct source from IAEA -

"The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) is aware of statements made by the Russian Federation on Sunday about alleged activities at two nuclear locations in Ukraine, IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi said today.

Director General Grossi confirmed that both locations are under IAEA safeguards and have been visited regularly by IAEA inspectors. He added that the IAEA received a written request from Ukraine today to send teams of inspectors to carry out verification activities at the two locations."

It was Ukraine that first accused Russia of a dirty bomb after intelligence from inside Kherson stated, Russians were forcibly evacuating Ukrainian citizens to Crimea stating to them the Ukraine gov is going to detonate dirty bombs.

Russia then gaslighted and countered this claim by stating Ukraine was manufacturing dirty bombs at 2 sites in Ukraine. Pro-Russian Twitter and Telegram accounts released pictures of dirty bombs which turned out to be 10-year-old educational mock-ups from a completely different country.

Ukraine requested the IAEA to come and observe.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Something I learned back in 2014 when Russia was pushing the most ridiculous claims regarding MH17 is that Russian media isn't targeting anyone but Russians.

The rest of the world may be able to easily see through the lies but when the vast majority of the media you consume is Kremlin approved it becomes a lot harder to discern truth from propaganda.

Much could be said about MSM in any country. Here in the Us I doubt we are any less or more censored than anywhere else!

a reply to: HUBE007

Mind you, call the "Special Operation" a War on Russian TV you get prison.

You do realize that Russian State TV and media is very much controlled, by the State?

In the West, not so much.

Come on, man?

a reply to: HUBE007

www.theguardian.com...

This is what happens in your glorious uncensored State if you dare to criticism your Ruler.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

either the russian state apparatus is playing a perfidious game or they really are a paronoid conspiracy group. as if putin and his vassals have consumed too much youtube and telegram. this could lead to a disaster.

russia has turned into what they claim to be fighting against: a fascist state that numbs his people with propaganda and lies and restricts free media and free speech.

well the saviour in some peoples eyes from the NWO has just dropped this doozy

"The new world order should be based on law and order."

So it would seem even the honorable Vlad is in favour of a NWO

'We are not enemies of the West'

originally posted by: TrueAmerican

The photos MFA Russia used for their "dirty bomb in Ukraine" claims are actually from 2010 and made by the Slovenian Radioactive Waste Management Authority.

twitter.com...

Oops. Busted.

Why even bother speaking at all any more Russia? Not a soul on the planet is going to believe you- about ANYTHING!

"We're not going to invade"- LIE!
"Our soldiers are adequately prepared and have everything they need"- LIE!
"Ukraine is preparing a dirty bomb"- LIE!

Russia seriously needs to be removed from the UNSC.

You know when a Russian leader is lying - when they’re talking. It’s all utter nuts. Shame for the Russian people. They’re generally good.